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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2006Car Wax recommendations
Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. I have a Midnight Black 328 e36 convertible. I used NuTone on it and was not unimpressed with the result, but I noted a very subtle kind of "spotting" on the large surfaces. The finish also feels a little soft. In Nutone's defense, they do recommend a second coat within 30 days. My other car is an Anthrocite (Charcoal gray) 540 e39. On that I used Mother's California Gold True Carnauba wax. I am quite impressed with the result. But I am a little concerned that it will not last as long as the Nutone claims. Has anyone tried Magruter's tech polymer that claims a hard finish and is vary favourable on dark paints? In my opinion, wax isn't what to use. If you've never used Zaino show car polish, give it a try. The first application is a little tedious, but you can apply the next coat, and subsequent coats, very easilly. I have about 7 coats on my black 325i right now and might apply one more before winter sets in. Just remember to get the car clean, as they instruct, and no water spots. With Zaino, if you apply the polish over a water spot, you will have a perfectly polished, shiny water spot. One of the best things about Zaino is it seems to remove that "static cling" that dust really likes. Especially on a dark car. http://www.zainostore.com/ > Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Has anyone tried Magruter's tech polymer that claims a hard finish and is > vary favourable on dark paints? Wax is the best way to go over a sealant like NuTone. Wax doesn't last "long" but it lasts, and is hard. I use pure carnuba. I've tried others. You'll need to get a paint-prep now to remove nutone if you go with pure carnuba (griotsgarage.com sells one that seems to work well). You need to decide on 'ease of application' 'ADVERTISED longevity' and 'looks' Nothing beats wax for looks. Polishes "alone" are usually paint sealants that don't do the same thing that a wax does. >Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Has anyone tried Magruter's tech polymer that claims a hard finish and is >vary favourable on dark paints? --- Remove x's to send. Is there a benefit to layering ie - adding coats to the surface or is there a point at which the return is not worth the effort? > Wax is the best way to go over a sealant like NuTone. > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > --- > Remove x's to send. > Is there a benefit to layering ie - adding coats to the surface or is there > a point at which the return is not worth the effort? At every point. Drive the car.Drive it to within an inch of its life as if you stole it. Enjoy it. Enjoy it some more, then drive it again. Repeat as necessary. Wax it with Turtlewax Emerald to keep corrosive elements at bay, but only wax it when you don't have time to drive it. Learn to love the road stained look of a hard pushed BMW. >> Is there a benefit to layering ie - adding coats to the surface or is >there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >but only wax it when you don't have time to drive it. Learn to love the road >stained look of a hard pushed BMW. second that.. its a car, not a trophy. > second that.. its a car, not a trophy. That's true but I don't want it looking like a dirt ball. >second that.. its a car, not a trophy. Nuh-uh. I love driving my cars, but I also like them looking nice. Jeans look nice all scruffy, but not BMWs, especially black ones like mine. I really hate seeing the cars driven with brake-dust covered wheels, which is incredibly common. My favorite wax, btw, is Zymol. Excellent shine, goes on and off easy. For the winter months, I put the Z4 away and put Turtle Wax on the 325i. Like another poster, in spring I do a full clay - polish - sealant glaze - wax on the cars and then just maintain it the rest of the summer and fall. The best thing you can do for a car's finish is garage it. That will also reduce the amount of washing and waxing needed. Emanuel -- 2003 BMW 325i Black/Black 2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black > Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'm not fan of Mother's products, but prefer Meguiar's stuff. http://www.meguiars.com/ The Rx Plus online info. will guide you on what and how to perform the job. Even if you don't buy Meguiar's products, this site is informative. Ok, I prefer wax, not substitutes. But ther are many good substitutes that work well and protect, but not on any of my cars no matter what the make. So, I agree and use the carnuba from griots garage. But that is just the under/protectant coat. I do that once a year when I really use the car wash to get off all of the wax. Usually srping. I use Meguires Gold for the top coat and polish with a obital buffer. It shines fantastic and last longer than one coat of anything/wax. I haven't tried the high end waxes yet (hint) but my last 3 cars had over 120k each and the paint look as good as new. One was even a Chevy. So layering has worked for me. Another hint, once a year use a clay cleaning compound with lubricant for getting the fine grit out of the wax/paint. That will help cut down swirl marks also. Al Floer '00 M Roadster '03 330i '88 635i > Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Has anyone tried Magruter's tech polymer that claims a hard finish and is > vary favourable on dark paints? What about the BMW wax ? > Ok, I prefer wax, not substitutes. But ther are many good substitutes that > work well and protect, but not on any of my cars no matter what the make. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Has anyone tried Magruter's tech polymer that claims a hard finish and is > > vary favourable on dark paints? BMW is a car company - not a wax company. I am sure, like there Armorall (I mean BMW tire shine) - they would OEM it and Market it up 100% to justify the BMW logo on the bottle/can. Perhaps I am cynical, but experiences do that to you. > What about the BMW wax ? > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > is >> > vary favourable on dark paints? I perfectly understand but what I wanted to say was "does anybody know what wax brand BMW does resell ?" Sorry for the chort cut. A BMW 500 ml wax can doesn't look expensive: No more than 10 €. Didn't use anything else so I don't know if it's worth to change. Bye > BMW is a car company - not a wax company. I am sure, like there Armorall (I > mean BMW tire shine) - they would OEM it and Market it up 100% to justify > the BMW logo on the bottle/can. Perhaps I am cynical, but experiences do > that to you. > > > What about the BMW wax ? >BMW is a car company - not a wax company. I am sure, like there Armorall (I >mean BMW tire shine) - they would OEM it and Market it up 100% to justify >the BMW logo on the bottle/can. Perhaps I am cynical, but experiences do >that to you. Believe it or not, BMW makes more than cars. > >> BMW is a car company - not a wax company. I am sure, like there Armorall (I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Believe it or not, BMW makes more than cars. > No kidding! As a long-time BMW motorcycle owner, and only recently BMW auto owner, the inside joke on the BMW two-wheel side is "BMW also makes cars?" This is the inside joke as we often hear from passer's by (at least in the US), "Wow, a BMW, I didn't know BMW also made motorcycles." In addition, the BMW-made motorcycle apparel is excellent and some of the best in the industry. >> Believe it or not, BMW makes more than cars. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >motorcycles." In addition, the BMW-made motorcycle apparel is excellent >and some of the best in the industry. I also had a BMW motorcycle before I had a BMW car. However, since my first BMW motorcycle (MANY years ago), I have had quite a few BMW cars and motorcycles. Although they haven't been perfect I consider them to be a great product. >Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Has anyone tried Magruter's tech polymer that claims a hard finish and is >vary favourable on dark paints? Klasse all in one. German product. synthetic. lasts way longer than carnauba or the likes. My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. OTOH, it doesn't last long: two or three car washes, no more. I don't know how other brands would behave like and nobody uses wax in my circle. Did you have the opportunity to compare your wax with BMW's one ? TIA > >Ok guys and girls, what is the best in your minds wrt to Wax. > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Klasse all in one. German product. synthetic. lasts way longer than > carnauba or the likes. > My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW > dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. > OTOH, it doesn't last long: two or three car washes, no more. > I don't know how other brands would behave like and nobody uses wax in my > circle. > Did you have the opportunity to compare your wax with BMW's one ? Never tried a BMW wax, but my black Z3 looked best with Zymol 37% carnauba. Tom K. >My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW >dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. >OTOH, it doesn't last long: two or three car washes, no more. >I don't know how other brands would behave like and nobody uses wax in my >circle. >Did you have the opportunity to compare your wax with BMW's one ? No, I did not. What is the BMW wax based on ? Carnauba ? Klasse definetely beats that out, hands down. especially in hot climates. >TIA > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Klasse all in one. German product. synthetic. lasts way longer than >> carnauba or the likes. >What is the BMW wax based on ? Carnauba ? Klasse >definetely beats that out, hands down. especially >in hot climates. Being a user of both, I'd never claim that carnauba would come close to Klasse in terms of longevity, Klasse will never get close to the old-fashioned stuff in shine. >>What is the BMW wax based on ? Carnauba ? Klasse >>definetely beats that out, hands down. especially [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >to Klasse in terms of longevity, Klasse will never get close to the >old-fashioned stuff in shine. I have some great shine with Klasse all in one. I've heard form people who use Sealant glaze on top of it and it is harder to apply. Have not compared it to Carnauba in the shine department but this will do it for me. >>>What is the BMW wax based on ? Carnauba ? Klasse >>>definetely beats that out, hands down. especially [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Have not compared it to Carnauba in the shine department but this will >do it for me. Use Klasse, then follow up with a coat of Carnauba. Depending on the condition of your paint, you'll see depth of shine not seen with Klasse alone. Next Saturday, I'll go to Monaco, there's a company specialized in teflon coating. Rather expensive but worth to be interested in. Thanks for all the answers. > >>>What is the BMW wax based on ? Carnauba ? Klasse > >>>definetely beats that out, hands down. especially [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > condition of your paint, you'll see depth of shine not seen with > Klasse alone. >Next Saturday, I'll go to Monaco, there's a company specialized in teflon >coating. Rather expensive but worth to be interested in. > >Thanks for all the answers. Think about how Teflon (PTFE) is applied to pots and pans. Particularly look at what temperature this must occur. With that in mind, you'll see that its inclusion in car care products is nothing more than a sham. A co-worker and Camero SS enthusaist introduced me to Zaino Brothers which he uses exclusively on both his black and red cameros which he enters in shows frequently. Both his cars have incredible depth and shine in their paint. One afternoon he and I worked on the hood of my E28 to see if we could restore some shine to the diamond schwartz paint it made a big difference in only a couple of hours of work. Based on his information on how long the shines lasts, etc. I'm sold on it though it is a little expensive. Check out the site if you are intersted there is a good deal of information on their methods and products. http://www.zainostore.com/ DT > Next Saturday, I'll go to Monaco, there's a company specialized in > teflon coating. Rather expensive but worth to be interested in. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> condition of your paint, you'll see depth of shine not seen with >> Klasse alone. I also own a VW Passat and found out that Porsche and VW recommended Blitz wax. I remember reading it was best for the paint formulas used on European cars. Have no idea if it's true or not, but all the folks on the B5 forum were using it so I ordered some and it's been very good. I'm using it on my E90 as well and it's held up very well to the South Texas weather. >>> >>>What is the BMW wax based on ? Carnauba ? Klasse >>> >>>definetely beats that out, hands down. especially [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >>> condition of your paint, you'll see depth of shine not seen with >>> Klasse alone. Yes, it contains carnauba. Do you know who's the manufacturer ? I did some yahooing but I only found dealers. None close to Monaco. TIA > >My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW > >dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> Klasse all in one. German product. synthetic. lasts way longer than > >> carnauba or the likes. >Yes, it contains carnauba. >Do you know who's the manufacturer ? >I did some yahooing but I only found dealers. >None close to Monaco. I checked the bottle and it doesn't state who makes it. Just says it's bottled in Germany. >TIA > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> >> Klasse all in one. German product. synthetic. lasts way longer than >> >> carnauba or the likes. > >My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW > >dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >> Klasse all in one. German product. synthetic. lasts way longer than > >> carnauba or the likes. > >My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW > >dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> carnauba or the likes. > >Hey RT, I have been using many kind of waxes for my various cars, I have an old Rodeo a Range Rover and a black Z4. I find that im washing my cars a lot and I ran into the same problem; my friend told me about this all natural stuff and works really well it lasts and It really brings out the shine. It is called Auto Derm and works really well. Check out the website www.autodermcarcare.com if you want to email the guy it is www.AutoDermCarCare@aol.com check it out. I hope this was helpful it has some helpful stuff on the website to so. Thanks Z4 Black RT wrote: > On Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:02:52 +0100, "frischmoutt" <frischmoutt@ici.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > >> carnauba or the likes. > >Hey RT, I have been using many kind of waxes for my various cars, I have an old Rodeo a Range Rover and a black Z4. I find that im washing my cars a lot and I ran into the same problem; my friend told me about this all natural stuff and works really well it lasts and It really brings out the shine. It is called Auto Derm and works really well. Check out the website www.autodermcarcare.com if you want to email the guy it is www.AutoDermCarCare@aol.com check it out. I hope this was helpful it has some helpful stuff on the website to so. Thanks Z4 Black Thanks for the link. And specially suited to Z3s (see the picture under "why autoderm") :-))) Now we have a rather complete product palette. Good matter for comparison and discussion with the vendor. Bye http://www.nufinish.com/ Easy to put on. Lasts a long time. Gives a great shine. > http://www.nufinish.com/ > > Easy to put on. Lasts a long time. Gives a great shine. I recall that stuff got top ratings in Consumers Reports. I'm sure it is partly due to ease of use and longevity. But I don't think it will shine as well as a real wax (carnuba).  Signature-Fred W >> http://www.nufinish.com/ >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > partly due to ease of use and longevity. But I don't think it will shine > as well as a real wax (carnuba). I used it a few years back. It's a good, inexpensive product - but it can't compare to Zymol. Tom K. >>> http://www.nufinish.com/ >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I used it a few years back. It's a good, inexpensive product - but it >can't compare to Zymol. Agreed - Zymol is still my favorite, especially on my Z4 where deep reflections make the curves and creases look awesome. Nufinish isn't a bad product but it's seen as outdated in detailing circles. It's a polish/polymer sealant formulated in the 80s and is more harsh than modern products and lacks depth of shine. There are better polymer sealants out now from Meguiars NXT to Eagle One Nanowax to Mothers Reflections and more. epbrown -- "I'm...fine." "You were just hit by lightning, you're stark naked, and you can't remember your own name. You've got a fairly loose definition of fine." 2003 BMW 325i Black/Black, 2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black > >My Z3 is sapphire schwartz. I'm currently using the wax sold by my BMW > >dealer. Not really happy with it, the surface appears a little dull. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >> carnauba or the likes. > >Hey RT, I have been using many kind of waxes for my various cars, I have an old Rodeo a Range Rover and a black Z4. I find that im washing my cars a lot and I ran into the same problem; my friend told me about this all natural stuff and works really well it lasts and It really brings out the shine. It is called Auto Derm and works really well. Check out the website www.autodermcarcare.com if you want to email the guy it is www.AutoDermCarCare@aol.com check it out. I hope this was helpful it has some helpful stuff on the website to so. Thanks Z4 Black >website www.autodermcarcare.com if you want to email the guy it is You should call or fax them -- since their shopping cart is hosted and NOT secure. --- AntiSpam/harvest --- Remove X's to send email to me. |
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