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Car Forum / BMW Cars / November 2005Buying an E46 M3
Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? Is that Nikosil issue a thing of the past? What kind of clutch life is expected with normal (let's face it...we really DRIVE these cars!) M usage (6 speed)? TIA! > Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when > buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? Is that Nikosil issue a thing of the > past? What kind of clutch life is expected with normal (let's face it...we > really DRIVE these cars!) M usage (6 speed)? The issue with E46 M3's is the engine itself - crankshaft bearings and oil. There were 2-3 recalls or service bulletins. If you search with google I'm sure you'll find the issue. FloydR > Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when > buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? Is that Nikosil issue a thing of the past? > What kind of clutch life is expected with normal (let's face it...we really > DRIVE these cars!) M usage (6 speed)? > > TIA! Assuming all recall work has been done and the usual things are okay look carefully at the service intervals. Around 14K miles is the norm, a lot less will indicate a very hard life. Most importantly the running in oil service must be within 250 miles of recommended change, if not BMW won't even sell the car themselves as "approved". Another favourite is wear on the drivers side bolster, the leather is very soft and wears easily and check the interior trim, especially door handles for wrinkling. Mechanically brakes are expensive so check the discs (rotors?) aren't up for replacement, pads are cheap. Clutches don't seem to be a big issue on the whole but obviously any signs of slip could mean a big bill. Check when the next inspection II is due, that can be expensive, look at the service history and ring a dealer to find out whats next. It could be the reason the car is being sold. Obvious one but tyres need looking at. You don;t want to buy a car and find you've got a 3K bill for brakes and tyres in week one. > > Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when > > buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? Is that Nikosil issue a thing of the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > > TIA! It's well known that the dealers are rubbish but that goes with any BMW. Apparently it's part of the "character" of the M3s that they run poorly well cold, clonk and clunk on gearchanges and for the diff to groan. You have to ask yourself if you can live with that. > > > Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when > > > buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? Is that Nikosil issue a thing of the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > poorly well cold, clonk and clunk on gearchanges and for the diff to > groan. You have to ask yourself if you can live with that. Yep, hand (parking?) brake is totally useless. Sounds like a bag of nails until the engine has warmed up properly. Needs to run on super unleaded (high octane) to stop pinking, rough idle and stuttery acceleration. Drivechain is noisy at low speed and clonky diff is pretty standard. If its an SMG it sounds like someones hitting the diff with a hammer when you change full throttle in S6. Ride is jiggly at best and harsh at worst and 19" rims are a real pain to get refurbed when you scuff them. Insurance and depreciation are killers and so is 17mpg, the servicing costs and the threat of blown engines. But then you take it out for a blast on quiet roads and all these things pale into insignificance. Actually, depreciation is really low. These things hold their value well due to their cult status. Last year I shopped for a 1998 M3 sedan and low miles ones in nice shape still had asking prices in the low to mid 20's. Ridiculous, I thought, and bought an E46 zhp instead...right before BMW did the $4500 incentives on new 2005's, crashing the resale of E46 sedans. Unless the buyer absolutely HAS to have an M3, he should look at Subaru STI's. every bit as fast and good handling as any M3, much better shift linkage, much cheaper, more reliable, but with nowhere near the resale. >> > > Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about >> > > when [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > But then you take it out for a blast on quiet roads and all these things > pale into insignificance. Here's another: BMW has had issues with their differentials. I'm not sure which platform each issue belongs with but since I plan to "enjoy" this car, I have been thinking about the diff, the issues and what could happen. This M3 is in great shape, definitely well cared for, has 56k and the 6 speed. What are the warning signs of a diff with problems? Anything on the outside of the case I should be looking for, besides the obvious? TIA , > Actually, depreciation is really low. These things hold their value well > due to their cult status. Last year I shopped for a 1998 M3 sedan and low [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >> But then you take it out for a blast on quiet roads and all these things >> pale into insignificance. > Here's another: BMW has had issues with their differentials. I'm not sure > which platform each issue belongs with but since I plan to "enjoy" this car, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > TIA The M diff is unique to M cars and AFAIK no issues. > "sgfan3" <sgfan@bigfoot.com> wrote in message > > The M diff is unique to M cars and AFAIK no issues. BMW fitted oil in early M3 diffs which wasn't good enough to stop the diffs from chattering at low speed tight turns. According to BMW this isn't a problem and they won't fix it under warranty (at least in the UK). One can ask for an enhanced oil at something like £10/litre plus fitting. It's this kind of tough sh!t attitude which makes owning an extra expensive BMW difficult. The symptoms are grinding/groaning at low speed particularly left hand turns like when parking. Newer diffs come with the newer oil already installed. > Actually, depreciation is really low. These things hold their value well due > to their cult status. Last year I shopped for a 1998 M3 sedan and low miles [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > STI's. every bit as fast and good handling as any M3, much better shift > linkage, much cheaper, more reliable, but with nowhere near the resale. If speed and handling were priorities we'd all have bikes. A scooby is in no way a competitor to an M3 unless all you want to do is race at traffic lights. > Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when > buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? Yup: make sure it didn't belong to a guy who was having an affair with somebody else's ex: http://forums.club4ag.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=121981 Kevin YIKES!!! >> Are there any known issues or concerns that one should know about when >> buying a used USA 2001 M3 w/65k? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Kevin |
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