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Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, ETM) that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for E21 at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30.  Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** I bought one -- it wouldn't install on anything buy win98 & was an old copy, not to mention it was an illegal copy. I complained to ebay & fairly soon the guys account was disabled soon -- money returned. buyer beware on those... >Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, ETM) >that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was >wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for E21 >at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30. --- AntiSpam/harvest --- Remove X's to send email to me. I bought a set for my 318ti and after I received them I tried to install them on my computer, One of the disks I couldn't install. And I think one or more key disks may be missing. I spent several hours trying to find things and look up maintenance procedures, etc. Really poor access routines.I finally just gave up. I think they were written for Windows 95 or earlier and I think the seller is dumping a bunch of obsolete items. I suppose we get what we pay for ($20 worth). Hey, you cant hardly have a restaurnat dinner for that. Fritz Wagner >Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, ETM) >that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was >wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for E21 >at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30. Columbus, Ohio > I think they were written for Windows 95 or earlier Win 95/8. Signature*Reality? Is that where the pizza delivery guy comes from? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, > ETM) that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was > wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for > E21 at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30. Don't think they go back as far as an E21. Signature*Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Nedavno Dave Plowman (News) pise: | > Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, | > ETM) that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | | Don't think they go back as far as an E21. Actually I have E30, but taxes here were 180% (not a mistake) for engines over 1.6 liters so BMW for my country (and Greece I think) put an 1.6 engine instead of 1.8. Now I think that that engine is from e21. And some sellers on eBay did indicate that Mobile traditions (for e21 and more) is included. They also indicate that any Windows is supported (95/98, NT, Me, 2000, XP). Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** > Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, ETM) > that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was > wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for E21 > at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30. I bought a set (ETK/TIS - 3 discs total) last year and they appear to be real BMW discs, not pirated copies. I installed them (with a bit of clarification information from the seller) on WinXP and although I agree that finding what you want and the navigation of the tool is awful, I have found it useful overall. Jon I bought a set a few years ago and at first couldn't get it to load. I go it off of ebay. It has a price feature which I never got to work at all, ever. Eventually, I go it to work after tinkering around and now I use it all the time to see what BMW would do to fix your car. All said and done, it is certainly useful if you do a lot of diy stuff. Wish I could get the "pris" feature to work, though. > Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, ETM) > that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was > wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for E21 > at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30. Nedavno william piccione pise: | I bought a set a few years ago and at first couldn't get it to load. | I go it off of ebay. It has a price feature which I never got to | work at all, ever. Eventually, I go it to work after tinkering | around and now I use it all the time to see what BMW would do to fix | your car. All said and done, it is certainly useful if you do a lot | of diy stuff. Wish I could get the "pris" feature to work, though. I just bought 6 CD set for $17 (including shipping to eastern Europe). When it gets hire I'll report if it works, and how useful it is. Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** Nedavno Yvan pise: | I just bought 6 CD set for $17 (including shipping to eastern Europe). | When it gets hire I'll report if it works, and how useful it is. CD-s are here. How useful they are? I have to play a bit longer, I just installed it yesterday, so it's too soon to tel. I have XP, CD-s came with installation instructions (you have to install some sort of control center, and from there ETK, TIS...) So what I got works with XP. I have e30, and repair manual for that model is not covering is not covering a lot of repair jobs. Perhaps for later models is a better situation, but for e30 - it is almost useless (or it may be I am still to discover how to use CD-s properly). I am having some carburetor (I think) problems, but I did not found much that helps. It seems that I'll have to buy (another) carburetor manual (Haynes one does not include the one I have - I found that after I bought it, but is very detailed on how carburetor should operate). Now I have to buy manual in German. That will be fun, as I knew only few German words :-) Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** Brett: I am not disagreeing with you but must offer a counter situation. Your bitterness at your lost revenue is quite apparent in your unprovoked personal attack and I can empathize with you. However - true story - when we got back into Bimmers a few months ago (long story) I told the wife to get a manual for her car. She is an avid Ebayer - purchases and sales. She naturally jumps onto Ebay and does some shopping. She im'ed me that she had found what appeared to be a pretty good manual covering many models. Being an old small block ground pounding gearhead I feared the worse. She had picked the one manual that covered everything generically and it would be about as useless as a candle in a wind storm. When it arrived it was three BURNED discs and a set of instructions on how to install them. It is an older copy of EKT and TIS - I think the newest car was a 2003. (the software does have some drawbacks - not as impressive as one would hope, the paper manuals have proven to be more informative in some cases) I do have a family friend who works for BMWNA and notified them, and Ebay of what had transpired. The friend at BMW alluded that they knew it was out there and Ebay sent a form letter. We did not buy this with the intention of buying a pirated copy of software. Fortuantely it cost a little more than a few CDs - shipping was more than the product. > I bought a set a few years ago and at first couldn't get it to load. I > go it off of ebay. It has a price feature which I never got to work at > all, ever. Eventually, I go it to work after tinkering around and now I > use it all the time to see what BMW would do to fix your car. All said > and done, it is certainly useful if you do a lot of diy stuff. Wish I > could get the "pris" feature to work, though. The price list isn't included on the ETK. It's a separate file - obvious since they're likely to need updating more frequently than the main software. Signature*Why don't you ever see the headline "Psychic Wins Lottery"? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Nedavno Dave Plowman (News) pise: | The price list isn't included on the ETK. It's a separate file - | obvious since they're likely to need updating more frequently than | the main software. Can you get it on-line somewhere? Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** >Nedavno Dave Plowman (News) pise: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Can you get it on-line somewhere? Why? It is nice to have the current price list but isn't it better to call you local dealer to see $$$£££ or if in stock first. Although I can get a current UK price list it is no good for USA, France, Germany, China etc. Hugh Sir Hugh of Bognor Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk bognor-bill@bb-trading-uk.com hsg@bognor-bill.co.uk http://www.bognor-bill.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK ------------------------------------------------- Vyisder Asmeni Orsisarsis Asderisorsis. B.Cozderiz Vunarz PERORZ ------------------------------------------------- Nedavno hsg@h-gee.co.uk pise: | >Can you get it on-line somewhere? | | Why? It is nice to have the current price list but isn't it better to | call you local dealer to see $$$£££ or if in stock first. Although I | can get a current UK price list it is no good for USA, France, | Germany, China etc. My local dealer (actually there are only two in my state and three in the country (Serbia & Montenegro) is not very friendly. The one I was going to from day one when I bought my BMW in 1987 now refuse's to service my car because I did a LPG conversion. Price list would be nice so I can make a decision whether to buy original part from dealer or to look at local wreck yards to see if I can find used but good one. For instance a new distributor for my car at dealer is ~£270. A bit too much for a 18 years old car. But some parts are not so expensive so I can buy new ones. Prices for UK are OK, I can see price difference for a few parts, and then calculate price for the part I need. Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** > Nedavno hsg@h-gee.co.uk pise: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > see price difference for a few parts, and then calculate price for the > part I need. RealOEM.com ( http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do ) gives what has been fairly accurate prices in my experience. The prices seem to be listed in US$, but you could probably figure out the conversion for your country and have a good idea of your cost. Kyle. 98 740iL 01 525i Nedavno Kyle and Lori Greene pise: | RealOEM.com ( http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do ) gives what has | been fairly accurate prices in my experience. Thank you. Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** >I bought a set a few years ago and at first couldn't get it to load. I go >it off of ebay. It has a price feature which I never got to work at all, >ever. Eventually, I go it to work after tinkering around and now I use it >all the time to see what BMW would do to fix your car. All said and done, >it is certainly useful if you do a lot of diy stuff. Wish I could get the >"pris" feature to work, though .I sell these on Ebay (as do others) and have had nothing but Excellent feedback from my customers. I ship all over the world and lots have gone to the US. It is probably the way I present the CDs and the exact installation detail if followed to the letter there are absolutely no problems. However one of the CDs takes about an hour to load all the data. If you think you know better than me and try to install in any other folder than the default one it will NEVER install. If you want to talk more or buy (this is NOT and advert or an offer) go to Ebay and search for item #8020889174 Hugh Sir Hugh of Bognor Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk bognor-bill@bb-trading-uk.com hsg@bognor-bill.co.uk http://www.bognor-bill.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK ------------------------------------------------- Vyisder Asmeni Orsisarsis Asderisorsis. B.Cozderiz Vunarz PERORZ ------------------------------------------------- Nedavno hsg@h-gee.co.uk pise: | If you want to talk more or buy (this is NOT and advert or an offer) | go to Ebay and search for item #8020889174 Bought one 6CD set already from eBay US for £10. Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** >Nedavno hsg@h-gee.co.uk pise: > >| If you want to talk more or buy (this is NOT and advert or an offer) >| go to Ebay and search for item #8020889174 > >Bought one 6CD set already from eBay US for £10. Now you can say that they are good and do a fair job of informing one of the BMW range. The 6 x CD range is good value as it also contains (or should do) the complete electrical wiring diagrams however, these are normally on DVD. Here in the UK many folk are cheap skates and will not pay for time and effort and added value. If you are happy then OK but others don't get what they expect and castigate the whole CD thing when in reality they don't bother to read the instructions. Hugh The CDs offered on Ebay are always junk copies, usually of outdated BMW CDs, especially given that very little info from BMW is produced on CD these days. Most is on the web. E21 is not covered in anything except the Mobile Traditions E21 repair CD and the ETK parts CD set. There is NO repair information for E21 on the TIS CD, despite what the Ebay scum want you to believe. There is also NO wiring information for E21 on the ETM CDs, despite what the Ebay scum want you to believe..... You get my point. If it's on Ebay, it's not going to work for you, it's not being sold by a human and the seller is lying about it's content. Guaranteed. If you can't get the E21 Repair CD from your local dealer, try a US vendor. Some, like us, will only ship via UPS, which makes it very cost prohibitive to you, but some might ship by US Mail, which makes it very affordable. Hope this helps. Brett Anderson - KMS > Anyone had any experience with repair manual CD sets (TIS, ETK, KDS, ETM) > that are on offer at eBay? Are they any good? I have E21, and I was > wondering if these CD-s are usable for me, as Mobile traditions CD for E21 > at dealer is $100, and I could get this CD set at eBay for $20-30. Nedavno KMS - Brett Anderson pise: | The CDs offered on Ebay are always junk copies, usually of outdated | BMW CDs, especially given that very little info from BMW is produced | on CD these days. Most is on the web. May be, I bought one CD set, and when it gets here I will see. | E21 is not covered in anything except the Mobile Traditions E21 | repair CD and the ETK parts CD set. Mobile Traditions ETK parts for e21 is available on line. I was wondering what Mobile Traditions E21 repair CD contains. I have Bentley repair manual (paper - not CD) for my E30, is this Mobile Traditions E21 repair CD similar? Is it worth $100? Signature___ ____ /__/ / \ ** Registrovani korisnik Linuksa #291606 ** / / \/ /\ \ ** Registered Linux user #291606 ** /__/\____/--\__\ ** http://counter.li.org/ ** >The CDs offered on Ebay are always junk copies, usually of outdated BMW CDs, >especially given that very little info from BMW is produced on CD these [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Brett Anderson - KMS What a load of old BOLLOCKS! And I am NOT scum - or is the stuff you sell crap and it's a self reflection? Yes they are out dated but then if you are a BMW dealer and charge $100 - $150 an hour the price is nothing and also tax deducible. I will guarantee that the copies - yes folks they are copies as there are more folk that want them than there are BMW dealers. If you buy a new BMW then you won't need one as the warranty will cover it for 5 years (if you pay for the extended part) and then you sell it to someone that will fix it themselves and want the CDs. remember when the older vehicles were in production CDs were not invented so everything was on paper and I still have my old E3 paper manual. When CDs became the dealers only way of manuals and info then BMW did a bit of backward formatting and added bits of the bubble car - Issetta and the earlier marques. The early 6 series is not on the TIS either but is covered by the parts lists and TIS info is generally the same as the E3 models. According to EU & USA laws BMW must make technical info available to anyone that wants it so - either get my copy for $10 or go to BMW and give them $100 (probably wrong price but I reckon it's not that far out) I don't mind you protecting your business but to insult people you don't know anything about is a disgrace to you and your business and I hope it reflects on you. However, I must agree that there are some people on Ebay that do sell "crap" and don't take any effort to supply instructions to install or use. Black felt tip pen is the only mark on the Cds - yes "crap". I do take the time and effort to test run and verify that each set will run and smart CD labels to top it off. Hundreds of satisfied customers who have returned for friends or for the later issues cannot be that wrong. I have shipped the world over and only once got a report of a bad copy and when checked there was a dammed great scratch across it - probably done by the customer by accident but nevertheless I replaced it FOC - does that sound like SCUM? Come on guys! I don't want an apology but don't claim that every Ebayer is SCUM or it WILL bounce back on you. Steve Buncha bs snipped.. > Come on guys! I don't want an apology but don't claim that every Ebayer is > SCUM or it WILL bounce back on you. > > Steve And I guess violating copyrights law really doesn't bother you does it? EVERY copy you sell is ILLEGAL and every one carries a penalty. Nice of you to tell us about yourself on a public newsgroup that BMW monitors. I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly. > Buncha bs snipped.. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > you to tell us about yourself on a public newsgroup that BMW monitors. > I'm sure you'll be hearing from them shortly. I doubt BMW monitors this and would not waste their time going after him for boot legging the CDs. They could not recoup their investment in time and $$ since the people that buy these botleg CDs would never spend the hundreds of dollars to buy they official BMW ones. Signature-Fred W >According to EU & USA laws BMW must make technical info available to anyone >that wants it so - either get my copy for $10 or go to BMW and give them >$100 (probably wrong price but I reckon it's not that far out) BMW MUST MAKE -- not "any joe blow". So you can buy them LEGALLY or buy pirated, stolen software... --- AntiSpam/harvest --- Remove X's to send email to me. >>According to EU & USA laws BMW must make technical info available to anyone >>that wants it so - either get my copy for $10 or go to BMW and give them [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >--- AntiSpam/harvest --- >Remove X's to send email to me. Have you looked on ebay lately an seen how many technical CDs there are there? 99% are out of date but useful for owners of older cars. The new cars are built or rather put together like rocket ships and generally need a PhD to service and repair. BMW do make available to consumers but why do ebay sellers ply their trade - because people want it and the car companies just don't want to know about you fixing your car as it is less business for them or rather less chance to rip you off if you actually know what you are talking about. BMW tried to rip me off for $500 for a new PDC control unit when the problem was a $10 relay.....................? > >>According to EU & USA laws BMW must make technical info available to anyone > >>that wants it so - either get my copy for $10 or go to BMW and give them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > >So you can buy them LEGALLY or buy pirated, stolen software... One thing about ebay "repair" manuals, make sure it works for YOUR operating systems. On other BMW forums, people have reported buying these CDs and finding that it only works with Windows 95 or OLDER! Caveat emptor.... >> On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 12:32:20 -0800, Josh Assing <Xjosh@jassing.comX> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Caveat emptor.... I think that should be Win95 or LATER. The next versions available will be in 'JAVA' so should be portable to other OS. Many problem encountered are by users thinking they know best and not following install instruction. However, as you say - software theft -or these guys passing on something that BMW has already thrown away as its no good to their dealers who are only interested in servicing lease cars and people with too much money. Joe Anon > According to EU & USA laws BMW must make technical info available to > anyone > that wants it so - either get my copy for $10 or go to BMW and give them > $100 (probably wrong price but I reckon it's not that far out) That's right, it must be made available, and it is at www.bmwtechinfo.com, or on CD at www.centrallettershop.com Neither the laws of EU and USA allow you to pirate the software for your own gain, which is what you are doing. With piracy as bad as it is, it's a wonder anyone bothers to write software, or music, these days. I wrote a complete set of repair manuals, starting with the E30 M3, which was released 6 years ago, but never released the E30 full range, E28, E24 or E23 CDs because it wasn't worth the effort. 5 minutes after a scumbag like you got one, it would be all over Ebay. As a result, thousands of people miss out on what may have been exactly what they need to maintain their vehicles. Brett Anderson KMS - Koala Motorsport LLC www.bmw-stuff.com |
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