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I have an old 535 which I want to replace. The car is listed as 235BHP. I am thinking about changing to a 330 which is listed as 231BHP and of course it is a 6 cylinder motor. I figure the 330 will be a lighter car and may even be swifter than my 535. Of course the 330 has the added advantage of rack and pinion steering too so it should be much more nimble too. Am I right so far? pete  SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html >I have an old 535 which I want to replace. The car is listed as > 235BHP. I am thinking about changing to a 330 which is listed as > 231BHP and of course it is a 6 cylinder motor. I figure the 330 will > be a lighter car and may even be swifter than my 535. Of course the > 330 has the added advantage of rack and pinion steering too so it > should be much more nimble too. Am I right so far? It depends upon WHICH 535 you have: a E28 535i circa 1985-1988, an E34 535i from '89-'92, or a E34/E39 535i (V8) from '95-'99 or so. It also depends upon which 330i you are talking about. It appears you're talking European models (because you mention 231bhp, which is the Euro rating). But do you mean the E46 330i (current coupe/convertible), the E90 330i (sedan - which comes with a different engine set) or a used E46 sedan. E46 sedans weigh about what an E28 and E34 did, so you won't gain much (other than agility and better mileage) if that's what you're talking about. FloydR >>I have an old 535 which I want to replace. The car is listed as >> 235BHP. I am thinking about changing to a 330 which is listed as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >E46 sedans weigh about what an E28 and E34 did, so you won't gain much >(other than agility and better mileage) if that's what you're talking about. Yes I didn't make myself very clear. I have a 1998 535i (V8) sedan and I am looking to get a 3 year old 330 (straight 6) tourer. pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html > On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:38:55 -0800, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: >>E46 sedans weigh about what an E28 and E34 did, so you won't gain much >>(other than agility and better mileage) if that's what you're talking >>about. > > Yes I didn't make myself very clear. I have a 1998 535i (V8) sedan and > I am looking to get a 3 year old 330 (straight 6) tourer. Well, you'll have to wait for some of the UK posters to respond: we don't get the 3.5L V8 in the US. My guess is that agility and mileage will be better, ride will be worse (unless your E39 has the sport suspension), and straight-line performance will be about equal. FloydR >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:38:55 -0800, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >suspension), >and straight-line performance will be about equal. That is roughly what I thought too but of course I will have to wait for UK posters to tell me more. I am pretty certain my E39 doesn't have the sport suspension and what I am looking for is a more nimble car with roughly the same straight-line performance and of course with rack and pinion steering too. That is, for me a big negative with my V8 in that I do not have rack and pinion steering. However I have used the car for the last 14 months and I have enjoyed it but my son has indicated it should be replaced as it now has 128K miles on the clock and I am not going to argue as he pays;-) pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html <turtill@hotmail.com> wrote > <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote: > That is roughly what I thought too but of course I will have to wait > for UK posters to tell me more. I am pretty certain my E39 doesn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > indicated it should be replaced as it now has 128K miles on the clock > and I am not going to argue as he pays;-) Well, 128K is many, but 200K should be s cheap to do as a new car... Also, the new E90 330i has a much more powerful engine - 255bhp (in US form/tests), so it is much faster. Be aware of the run-flat tires, which are generally acknowledged as giving a slightly harsh ride. I believe that you Europeans get a broader range of engines - including the 3.5L turbo-diesel, which would be my choice. FloydR ><turtill@hotmail.com> wrote >> <fbloogyudsr@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >ride. I believe that you Europeans get a broader range of engines - >including the 3.5L turbo-diesel, which would be my choice. Well yes the new 330 has even more power as you point out but in this country we cannot get them as Tourers AFAIK. I wouldn't even consider a diesel even though they are well liked I am a defo petrol head;-) pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html > That is roughly what I thought too but of course I will have to wait > for UK posters to tell me more. I am pretty certain my E39 doesn't [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > indicated it should be replaced as it now has 128K miles on the clock > and I am not going to argue as he pays;-) No chance of making it a 530, Peter? Since you've been used to the size of an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three years old I doubt there's much difference in price on similar cars. Signature*No husband has ever been shot while doing the dishes * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> That is roughly what I thought too but of course I will have to wait >> for UK posters to tell me more. I am pretty certain my E39 doesn't [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three years >old I doubt there's much difference in price on similar cars. The 530 before 03 hasn't got the power. The one after 03 is a saloon and I do want a tourer. I haven't actually tried a 330 yet and it is 4 inches less than my car so everything is still at the research stage as yet Dave;-) pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html >>No chance of making it a 530, Peter? Since you've been used to the size of >>an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three years >>old I doubt there's much difference in price on similar cars. > >The 530 before 03 hasn't got the power. An '02 and '03 530i have the same horsepower, don't they? >>>No chance of making it a 530, Peter? Since you've been used to the size of >>>an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three years [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >An '02 and '03 530i have the same horsepower, don't they? According to the books I read before 03 the 530 is 193 BHP and after it is 231BHP in the versions we get in the UK. Dave has made me think though and I am now my in the mind of staying with the E39, possibly a 540 tourer. I used to buy and sell cars for a living many years ago when I was fit and now I am toying with the idea of persuading my son he that he might like to try buying and selling. That way I may get to play with an M3 and an M5;-) pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html > According to the books I read before 03 the 530 is 193 BHP and after > it is 231BHP in the versions we get in the UK. 193 is the 528. Signature*Did you ever notice when you blow in a dog's face he gets mad at you? * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> According to the books I read before 03 the 530 is 193 BHP and after >> it is 231BHP in the versions we get in the UK. > >193 is the 528. Thanks Dave. I have belatedly realised that now. pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html >>>The 530 before 03 hasn't got the power. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >he that he might like to try buying and selling. That way I may get to >play with an M3 and an M5;-) Interesting. The '02 and '03 U.S. editions are 225 hp. >>>No chance of making it a 530, Peter? Since you've been used to the size of >>>an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three years [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >An '02 and '03 530i have the same horsepower, don't they? You are right. I was not aware of the 530 before '02 because I didn't read the book right. Strangely both What Car and Parkers are not as clear as I would have liked on the issue. pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html >>An '02 and '03 530i have the same horsepower, don't they? > >You are right. I was not aware of the 530 before '02 because I didn't >read the book right. Strangely both What Car and Parkers are not as >clear as I would have liked on the issue. No problem. Our version is governed to somewhere around 132 mph, while yours specs at 155. :-( My wife's 330CiC has no such limitation, though 10 hp more with the performance package. Strange. >>>An '02 and '03 530i have the same horsepower, don't they? >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >My wife's 330CiC has no such limitation, though 10 hp more with the >performance package. Strange. Yes I came unstuck on the information or rather the way I read it. Now a 530 Tourer looks much more interesting;-) pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html > Yes I came unstuck on the information or rather the way I read it. Now > a 530 Tourer looks much more interesting;-) It definitely appears the 6 cylinder cars require less early replacements of expensive components than the V-8s, but seems to be nothing to do with the actual major power train. However, they are a great deal more nimble in practice, so well suited to UK roads. And the tourer is superb. Signature*It doesn't take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > >No chance of making it a 530, Peter? Since you've been used to the size > >of an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three > >years old I doubt there's much difference in price on similar cars. > The 530 before 03 hasn't got the power. ? I think you'll find the performance near identical to your 535, which is why that model got dropped. And it's very much more economical. Unless you're referring to the 528. > The one after 03 is a saloon and I do want a tourer. ? > I haven't actually tried a 330 yet and it is 4 inches less than my car > so everything is still at the research stage as yet Dave;-) Always best to try before committing. Signature*Warning: Dates in Calendar are closer than they appear. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >No chance of making it a 530, Peter? Since you've been used to the size >> >of an E39, you might find an E46 a bit tight for space. And at three >> >years old I doubt there's much difference in price on similar cars. > >> The 530 before 03 hasn't got the power. Oh dear how I wish I hadn't read your post before writing my last answer. Yes I have now found a 530 in the small print and the 530 is indeed almost identical in BHP. This means a change of plan since I booted up today;-) >? I think you'll find the performance near identical to your 535, which is >why that model got dropped. And it's very much more economical. Unless [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Always best to try before committing. I do believe you have changed my mind. Now I am confused about whether I want a 530 or a 540. pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html >> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:38:55 -0800, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > FloydR Difficult to say. If you like a comfortable cabin, engine flexibility and a high standard of driveability then the 535 is for you. If you don't mind it being a bit cramped, harsh ride etc. and like being an active driver pushing for the limit then the 330 is for you. The toys will have moved on a bit too. >>> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 10:38:55 -0800, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >The toys will have moved on a bit too. I enjoy my 535 but it is too comfortable and wooly handling and if I can get the same performance out of a 6 cylinder engine with a steptronic then I think the 330 is for me. I had thought about a 540 tourer but they are not common and of course they don't have rack and pinion steering either. Thanks for your advice. pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html > I enjoy my 535 but it is too comfortable and wooly handling and if I > can get the same performance out of a 6 cylinder engine with a > steptronic then I think the 330 is for me. I had thought about a 540 > tourer but they are not common and of course they don't have rack and > pinion steering either. Thanks for your advice. > pete I actually drive a 740i (>2m tall), and thought the 5 series had rack and pinion, however that will make a difference in feel in the 330. I presume that you are getting one with a manual box (stick shift in the US), since this definitely improves the drive experience. I still fondly remember the two manual 735i's I had in the 80's, but these are very rare now. I have only seen one large BMW manual recently in a mate's 645i, but he won't let me drive it (mate?)... Steptronic - well close, but no cigar. > I actually drive a 740i (>2m tall), and thought the 5 series had rack > and pinion, The E39 six cylinder models do, the V-8s not. Signature*Why is it that to stop Windows 95, you have to click on "Start"? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. This is an old conundrum and applies to WinXP, too. DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > *Why is it that to stop Windows 95, you have to click on "Start"? >> I enjoy my 535 but it is too comfortable and wooly handling and if I >> can get the same performance out of a 6 cylinder engine with a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >only seen one large BMW manual recently in a mate's 645i, but he won't let >me drive it (mate?)... Steptronic - well close, but no cigar. Well I suppose I am getting old but I prefer the Steptronic. I would have scorned it when I was younger and I didn't have my wife beside me every drive telling me to ease off:-) The series 5 V8 is recirculating ball steering and I didn't realise that before I asked my son to get one for us as I was driving a 320 at the time and it hadn't crossed my mind the steering would be different. However I am now between a 530 and a 540 when I change motors now. I used to have stick shifts in all my 'runabouts' and today I often envy the kids I see in hot turbo hatches as they are great fun. I seem to change like a Jeckel & Hyde character when driving different set ups and errr.... my wife prefers me to drive a Steptronic as I am more laid back that way. She would probably like it even more if we had a 740:-)))))) pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html You want something less comfortable? Masochist? ;-) DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > I enjoy my 535 but it is too comfortable [...] >You want something less comfortable? Masochist? > >;-) >DAS I would really love a M3 Evo but my wife will not hear of it:-( pete SignatureDue to privacy considerations, I will not respond to mail from gmail.com. For more information, please visit www.google-watch.org/gmail.html
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