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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2006

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E30 Electrical Problem

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MarkS - 02 Feb 2006 09:42 GMT
Hi, I need some help diagnosing a serious electrical problem with our
car, a 1990 320iSE. For a couple of weeks, the headlamps and dash
lights have been flickering intermittently whilst driving, and last
night the flickering got worse, and the blower motor started slowing
and revving repeatedly. The fluctuations aren't particularly related to
revs. As i pulled into the car park (about 9 miles later), the engine
cut out, and there wasn't enough power in the battery to turn the
starter, so it had obviously been draining rather than charging. Had to
get a recovery van out, who leant us a power pack to get home on (still
flickering). He connected a multimeter across the battery with the
engine running and reported that it was charging to some extent, but
that the voltage was jumping around all over the place.

First thought was that the alternator/voltage regulator must be dead,
but I also fear that bad wiring somewhere could be responsible? Before
I start dismantling things and buying expensive parts is there anything
else I should test or consider?

Thanks!
Yvan - 02 Feb 2006 10:38 GMT
Nedavno MarkS pise:

I had similar problem to yours, and it turned out to be a bad
connection from battery negative to body. I just changed that cable,
and problem was gone. Check that first.

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MarkS - 02 Feb 2006 10:50 GMT
Good idea thanks. I'll certainly check that first.

Mark
John Burns - 02 Feb 2006 11:01 GMT
> First thought was that the alternator/voltage regulator must be dead,

That would be my first thought too.

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MarkS - 02 Feb 2006 11:57 GMT
Thanks John, might well be making a trip to Euro shortly then.

One thing I forgot to mention is that since the problem started some of
the dash warning lights, eg parking brake light and those near it, are
slightly lit all the time and flickering when driving, whereas they
should be off completely. Could a bad alternator cause that kind of
behaviour? Thinking about it, I think the lamps that are lit/flickering
are those which light when the engine if off, but the key is in
position 2, so that could be a clue?

Many thanks

Mark
Frank Kemper - 02 Feb 2006 22:34 GMT
"MarkS" <mstrofton@googlemail.com> haute in die Tasten:

> One thing I forgot to mention is that since the problem started
> some of the dash warning lights, eg parking brake light and
> those near it, are slightly lit all the time and flickering when
> driving, whereas they should be off completely.

Lights which are lit while they should not be lit are usually a sign
for a bad ground connection. Try to check all electric wires which
have direct contact to the body and should provide a good ground
connection.

Frank

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Dave Plowman (News) - 02 Feb 2006 23:16 GMT
> First thought was that the alternator/voltage regulator must be dead,
> but I also fear that bad wiring somewhere could be responsible? Before
> I start dismantling things and buying expensive parts is there anything
> else I should test or consider?

On a 15 year old car alternator brushes/dirty slip rings would be my first
guess.

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Clive Turnbull - 03 Feb 2006 21:07 GMT
Make sure you have a good earth from battery to body and also an earth
from engine to body. Good luck
Clive

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MarkS - 04 Feb 2006 23:12 GMT
Today I've removed, cleaned and refitted the major earth points in the
engine bay, but the problem is still there. I jump started the car,
then took it for a drive with a voltmeter across the battery. The
voltage was fluctuating between about 11 and 13.8 volts (independantly
of engine speed and electrical load) and the dash lights were still
doing the flickering thing. The temperature guage also jumps around in
sync with the lights. It was worse at the end of the trip (things had
warmed up i guess) than the beginning. I had obviously been charging
the battery this time, as it had enough in it to start the car when I
tried after returning from the drive. Sound like the voltage regulator?
I've got a working replacement alternator coming this week so hopefully
that will fix it.

Thanks
Psycho - 05 Feb 2006 03:24 GMT
Out of curiosity, are you sure the battery is good? Had a loose plate
in one once in an older dodge and it would charge sometimes and not
the rest. Replaced the alternator with a new one ($225) before finding
this out. Pissed me off when I had to spend another $60 on a battery.

>Today I've removed, cleaned and refitted the major earth points in the
>engine bay, but the problem is still there. I jump started the car,
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>
>Thanks
MarkS - 05 Feb 2006 20:08 GMT
Hi, I'm pretty confident that the battery is good, because it's not
that old. I'm fitting a 'new' (used but certified working) alternator
this week, so hopfully that will sort it, but if not it didn't cost
that much so not the end of the world, will just mean I've got to think
again with the diagnosis.
Thanks

Mark
Dave Plowman (News) - 05 Feb 2006 18:15 GMT
> Today I've removed, cleaned and refitted the major earth points in the
> engine bay, but the problem is still there. I jump started the car,
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> I've got a working replacement alternator coming this week so hopefully
> that will fix it.

Still sounds like worn brushes to me. Had the exact same thing on a high
mileage E34 525. It's a long time ago, but I think the brushes only came
with the regulator. Wasn't expensive, though, or difficult to change.

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MarkS - 05 Feb 2006 20:11 GMT
Thanks Dave, I hope you're right. If this new alternator sorts it out
I'll be happy as it's a fairly straight forward job compared to finding
a wiring fault or similar. Cheers

Mark
MarkS - 13 Feb 2006 23:37 GMT
For the record, the problem did turn out to be a a bad alternator,
which I think in turn killed the battery (which only read 10v without
load; dead cell). I fitted a replacement alternator and a new battery
and these solved all the issues including the strange behaviour seen on
the dash lights. It now charges at a stable 14V. At least it was a
chance to get all the ground connections cleaned up too so hopefully
that will be the end of electrical issues for some years! Thanks to all
who contributed!
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joe_tide - 14 Feb 2006 03:12 GMT
> For the record, the problem did turn out to be a a bad alternator,
> which I think in turn killed the battery (which only read 10v without
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> Mark

Thanks for reporting back. Many just go away and we never know if they got
the problem resolved.
 
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