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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2006

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turtill@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2006 19:17 GMT
Fir the last 17 months I have been driving a 1998 535 and I have had
terrific enjoyment out of it. Foolishly I mentioned that I would like
to have it changed for a Tourer model hoping to get a 540. No such
luck though. On Wednesday I pick up a 4 year old 530 sport touring
diesel. Just how much difference will I notice driving the diesel car?
Obviously the steering will be a huge plus but as far as I can make
out a 530 diesel is a pretty basic car and of course it will not sit
up when I take off from traffic lights:-(
pete
JB - 22 Feb 2006 21:33 GMT
> Fir the last 17 months I have been driving a 1998 535 and I have had
> terrific enjoyment out of it. Foolishly I mentioned that I would like
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> out a 530 diesel is a pretty basic car and of course it will not sit
> up when I take off from traffic lights:-(

You'll be pleasantly surprised I think. The 3L diesel is a pretty strong
performer. Loads of torque and very 'long legs'. I also think you'll be
pleased with the mpg too, unlike the V8!
Let us know how you get on with your new motor.
JB
turtill@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2006 21:40 GMT
>> Fir the last 17 months I have been driving a 1998 535 and I have had
>> terrific enjoyment out of it. Foolishly I mentioned that I would like
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>pleased with the mpg too, unlike the V8!
>Let us know how you get on with your new motor.

I need to hear all the nice things there are to say about it. I am
gutted as I wanted a luxurious 540 Tourer or at the very least a 530
petrol:-( What I am getting I believe is a basic 520 with a diesel
engine:-(
pete
JB - 22 Feb 2006 22:16 GMT
>>> Fir the last 17 months I have been driving a 1998 535 and I have had
>>> terrific enjoyment out of it. Foolishly I mentioned that I would like
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> petrol:-( What I am getting I believe is a basic 520 with a diesel
> engine:-(

I take it this is a company car then? Hence you have little say as to the
engine type and spec? Having driven both an older 540 tourer and the newer
530D I must admit to liking the diesel. Admittedly they were both manual box
versions which I really prefer. In normal driving, there is not much to
choose between them, then again, I don't really care for all the 'toys'. the
'basic' car still has excellent handling, steering and brakes and the 3L
diesel has plenty of 'urge'.
If you are paying with your own money, why not get a 540? There plenty about
on the used market. If you are not paying for it, I'd keep quiet. They could
have given you a Merc instead :>)

JB
turtill@hotmail.com - 22 Feb 2006 23:42 GMT
>I take it this is a company car then? Hence you have little say as to the
>engine type and spec? Having driven both an older 540 tourer and the newer
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>on the used market. If you are not paying for it, I'd keep quiet. They could
>have given you a Merc instead :>)

No it isn't a company car. My son bought us a decent car again when I
had to quit work and my wife got ill. I will have to be grateful for
having a decent son and hope I get a 540 next year:-)
pete
Dean Dark - 23 Feb 2006 00:46 GMT
<on acquiring a 4 year old 530 sport touring diesel>

>No it isn't a company car. My son bought us a decent car again when I
>had to quit work and my wife got ill. I will have to be grateful for
>having a decent son and hope I get a 540 next year:-)

Maybe it's just me, but the phrase "ungrateful f.cking bastard" comes
to *my* mind.
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Dan.

Class-1 - 23 Feb 2006 08:25 GMT
> <on acquiring a 4 year old 530 sport touring diesel>
>
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> --
> Dan.

It's just you.

To the OP: I also loathe most things diesel with a passion (a diesel in
a 3-series coupe/cabrio?? sacrilege. doom to the muppets who think this
is a 'good' thing).

But I'm now running an E83 3.0D. What an eye-opener. Suffice it to say,
it's the only diesel engine worth having (bar the new version in the
535d) - it's that good. Still, I wouldn't get it in anything but an X3
or X5.
turtill@hotmail.com - 23 Feb 2006 12:07 GMT
>To the OP: I also loathe most things diesel with a passion (a diesel in
>a 3-series coupe/cabrio?? sacrilege. doom to the muppets who think this
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>535d) - it's that good. Still, I wouldn't get it in anything but an X3
>or X5.

I have been saved. I am just back from Newmarket where my lad bought
me a 2000 540 Tourer with only 51K miles and a full BMW service
history. I saw a television screen in the car too but I do not know if
it is a tv or sat nav. I pick it up Wednesday and I am well pleased in
fact I am chuffed as it is what I wanted to start with. Now I have to
get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D off.
The receipt says it is non-returnable?????
pete
Jeremy - 23 Feb 2006 12:27 GMT
> Now I have to
> get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D off.
> The receipt says it is non-returnable?????

That's the whole point of a deposit isn't it. To stop people mucking
about like you just have. I don't think you have any moral right to
expect him to return your deposit.

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jeremy
['01 BMW 530iA SE Touring]

turtill@hotmail.com - 23 Feb 2006 22:19 GMT
>> Now I have to
>> get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D off.
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>about like you just have. I don't think you have any moral right to
>expect him to return your deposit.

If the dealer had suffered loss I might agree with you but in this
case the car had just arrived from the main dealer and wouldn't have
been ready until 1st March anyhow. They have done nothing so far that
they wouldn't have had to do to put the car on their forecourt. I am
confident they have suffered no loss and if they had been reasonable I
would probably have given the salesman a good drink out of it for his
time. They have refused to refund though so I will not accept anything
less than the full £200 now.
pete
Chris D'Agnolo - 24 Feb 2006 05:16 GMT
Just when I was ready to give this guy the benefit of the doubt (maybe he's
just a car nut and not an ungrateful _ _ _ ), he goes and gets all uppity!

"I" will not accept anything
less than the full £200 now.

I hope he gets what he deserves but unfortunately his wonderful son will
probably be the loser.

Chris

>>> Now I have to
>>> get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D off.
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> less than the full £200 now.
> pete
Jeremy - 24 Feb 2006 08:42 GMT
> >> Now I have to
> >> get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D off.
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> time. They have refused to refund though so I will not accept anything
> less than the full £200 now.

You know for certain do you that they have had no other enquiries with
which they have had to respond "I'm sorry but we have already taken a
deposit on this vehicle from another customer"?

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jeremy
['01 BMW 530iA SE Touring]

turtill@hotmail.com - 24 Feb 2006 16:07 GMT
>> >> Now I have to
>> >> get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D off.
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>which they have had to respond "I'm sorry but we have already taken a
>deposit on this vehicle from another customer"?

Yes actually I do. The car had just arrived from the main dealer and
had not been advertised because it was not ready then and it is still
not ready. It maybe ready by the 1st March and so they have suffered
no loss as all they are doing now is what they would have to do anyhow
if the sale to me had gone through. I was ready to make a gesture
towards losing the sale but they didn't want to know and unfortunately
it became a face off and that means small claims court or Trading
Standards or whatever. I did write and apologise for changing my mind
and as it was only 2 days later they will have had no loss. It is not
something I am enjoying doing but they want to face me off and that is
that unfortunately. This is an RAC dealership and I am in the RAC so I
am not expecting any problem. It would have been so much easier if
they had asked me to make a payment for their inconvenience.
pete
Chris D'Agnolo - 24 Feb 2006 22:54 GMT
Easier for you to be an _ _ _ and repeat to them the paragraph you just
wrote here. I guess I'm glad you got the car you wanted, that IS great but
sh.t, you just dodged a bullet almost landing in a car you feared you'd
seriously dislike and all you care about is getting your 200 back even
though you yourself knew it to be 'non-refundable'. Now all you have to live
with is yourself.

Enjoy the car,
Chris

>>> >> Now I have to
>>> >> get £200 deposit back off the dealer he was going to buy the 530D
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> they had asked me to make a payment for their inconvenience.
> pete
turtill@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2006 00:07 GMT
>Easier for you to be an _ _ _ and repeat to them the paragraph you just
>wrote here. I guess I'm glad you got the car you wanted, that IS great but
>sh.t, you just dodged a bullet almost landing in a car you feared you'd
>seriously dislike and all you care about is getting your 200 back even
>though you yourself knew it to be 'non-refundable'. Now all you have to live
>with is yourself.

I do not understand your problem. The £200 is my sons money and it was
paid as a token of commitment. It was, at the time, but things changed
before anything could happen that would cause the dealer loss. I
actually went there to look at a 530 but that hadn't got Zens and so
he showed me a 530 diesel which I thought I was going to have. If I
wasn't serious at the time I would have waited until the car had been
prepared and had another look. The dealers trade on the fact that they
are RAC accredited and after 2 days when I changed my mind they had
suffered no loss so I want the £200 back. As I said before I would
have given the salesman a good drink for his trouble but the company
wanted to make an issue of it and that is it.
pete
Dean Dark - 25 Feb 2006 00:42 GMT
>Easier for you to be an _ _ _ and repeat to them the paragraph you just
>wrote here. I guess I'm glad you got the car you wanted, that IS great but
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>
>Enjoy the car,

You need to understand that Peter Turtill is a well known whack-job
and serious net kook, and that you are wasting your time with this
kind of logic.

You don't need to take *my* word for it, a little research will give
you all the information you need.

Next up, he'll threaten more lawsuits against the car dealer, and then
anyone else he thinks is disagreeing with him.  He's nearly as bad as
Tony Bourne, though it's fun to watch those two yelling at each other,
each accusing the other of faking disabilities, dodging income tax,
and so on.

HTH, HAND, YMMV, etc.
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Dan.

turtill@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2006 01:09 GMT
>Next up, he'll threaten more lawsuits against the car dealer, and then
>anyone else he thinks is disagreeing with him.  He's nearly as bad as
>Tony Bourne, though it's fun to watch those two yelling at each other,
>each accusing the other of faking disabilities, dodging income tax,
>and so on.

You are misguided to say the least. Anthony Bournes has been caught
making hundreds of silly posts about me and has twice lost his
connection for this and for posting in my name through ReadFreeNews.
Even google allow me to remove his posts when I care enough to do so.
pete
Chris D'Agnolo - 26 Feb 2006 20:44 GMT
Pete,  Suffice it to say that you remind me of an interview I recently heard
with Colin Powell on the BBC. The BBC guy was doing his best to try to get
CP to apologize to the world for misleading them on Iraq. CP refused to
admit that he'd deceived anyone, saying over and over the same old dribble
drabble about everyone thought, everyone thought........

The fact of the matter, CP did mislead my country (and the world). This is
an established fact only arguable by the looniest of loonies. The point that
CP could have argued was only whether or not he had 'knowingly' misled.

You argue that the deposit WAS a commitment when it was made. The term
commitment used in this fashion is not a temporary thing that you give and
take based on your perception of the current situation. Nowhere in the fine
print does it say that 'your deposit is nonrefundable only if we have
incurred some loss or expense since you made such commitment'. The simple
fact that you spent time with a salesman and such means that it is a FACT
that you did cost them something. Oh ya, I forgot, you were 'willing' to
'buy him a drink', I'm sure that would have made it all better.

Chris

>>Next up, he'll threaten more lawsuits against the car dealer, and then
>>anyone else he thinks is disagreeing with him.  He's nearly as bad as
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> Even google allow me to remove his posts when I care enough to do so.
> pete
turtill@hotmail.com - 26 Feb 2006 23:55 GMT
>You argue that the deposit WAS a commitment when it was made. The term
>commitment used in this fashion is not a temporary thing that you give and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>that you did cost them something. Oh ya, I forgot, you were 'willing' to
>'buy him a drink', I'm sure that would have made it all better.

It is my sons money and he probably couldn't care less. The law says I
should have the money refunded and that is good enough for me. That is
what laws are for, to obey.
pete
Chris D'Agnolo - 27 Feb 2006 05:18 GMT
you're a funny guy! Take care.

Chris

>>You argue that the deposit WAS a commitment when it was made. The term
>>commitment used in this fashion is not a temporary thing that you give and
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> what laws are for, to obey.
> pete
 
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