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Car Forum / BMW Cars / March 2006

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Speedometer testing?

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mdd - 01 Mar 2006 04:15 GMT
Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing so,
I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my speed
in mph, among other functions, to the nearest tenth of a mile..  I am
noticing that the speed the Garmin calculates is about 5 mph below the
stated speed on my speedometer when driving in the 70-80 mph range.  In the
60 mph range, it is about 3-4 mph below the speedometer reading.

What is your experience with this?  Is the GPS likely accurate?  How is a
speedometer tested?

Any suggestions?
thanks, mark
Floyd Rogers - 01 Mar 2006 04:28 GMT
> Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing
> so, I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my
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> What is your experience with this?  Is the GPS likely accurate?  How is a
> speedometer tested?

That's not completely unexpected:  BMWs always read high, although rarely
that high (there are some regulations that mandate higher-than-actual
readings.)
My '01 330xi reads around 2mph high at 60mph, and our '91 525i reads about
the same.

I've checked the speedo using my GPS, radar warning signs along the road,
timing, and comparisons with other cars.  I've also asked Garmin, and they
believe that their GPSs should be +- 0.5mph or better, IIRC.

FloydR
R. Mark Clayton - 01 Mar 2006 10:21 GMT
> Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing
> so, I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my
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> Any suggestions?
> thanks, mark

In BMW's I have had (4) the speed warning device is 2-3% high and the speedo
5-7%.  More recent cars should be better.

The easiest way to check is to time the car on cruise control at some set
speed (e.g. 70mph) against the 100m marker posts at the side of the
motorway.

Even the degree of wear on  your tyres can affect the reading by up to 2%,
however if the reading is out by more than about 8% check that the right
wheels and tyres are fitted.  I looked at a 750i recently, lovely 19" alloy
wheels and 40 profile tyres - I rang a tyre dealer to check they weren't to
big, only to find they were actually too small!
Dean Dark - 01 Mar 2006 11:50 GMT
>I looked at a 750i recently, lovely 19" alloy
>wheels and 40 profile tyres - I rang a tyre dealer to check they weren't to
>big, only to find they were actually too small!

Did it have lowered suspension, black tinted windows and gold emblems
as well?  I think I saw it too.
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Dan.

R. Mark Clayton - 01 Mar 2006 15:42 GMT
>>I looked at a 750i recently, lovely 19" alloy
>>wheels and 40 profile tyres - I rang a tyre dealer to check they weren't
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> Did it have lowered suspension, black tinted windows and gold emblems
> as well?  I think I saw it too.

No.  It was otherwise fairly normal, just high milage, old and a bit tatty.

There is this velvet blue one on sale with prominent (oversize?) Alpina and
750iL badges all round (bonnet, front door, c pillar, boot (*3), piped
leather etc. etc.  The only problem is that under the bonnet it is a plain
vanilla 740i.

See
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=279886696
and
http://pictures.autotrader.co.uk/ATD_web/servlet/media?id=279886683
Dean Dark - 02 Mar 2006 00:57 GMT
>There is this velvet blue one on sale with prominent (oversize?) Alpina and
>750iL badges all round (bonnet, front door, c pillar, boot (*3), piped
>leather etc. etc.  The only problem is that under the bonnet it is a plain
>vanilla 740i.

If it doesn't have the lowered suspension, tinted windows and gold
emblems, then I'm not interested in it.  A big-a.s window-shaking
stereo could tip the scales in its favour though...

There's a chap down the road from me with a tatty 840 with odd-sized
and mismatched aftermarket wheels and a very tasteful spoiler on the
trunk/boot lid that appeals to me more.  He only wants $12K for it.
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Dan.

Fred W - 02 Mar 2006 02:34 GMT
>>There is this velvet blue one on sale with prominent (oversize?) Alpina and
>>750iL badges all round (bonnet, front door, c pillar, boot (*3), piped
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> and mismatched aftermarket wheels and a very tasteful spoiler on the
> trunk/boot lid that appeals to me more.  He only wants $12K for it.
you forgot the ";-)"

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-Fred W

Dean Dark - 02 Mar 2006 11:48 GMT
>> There's a chap down the road from me with a tatty 840 with odd-sized
>> and mismatched aftermarket wheels and a very tasteful spoiler on the
>> trunk/boot lid that appeals to me more.  He only wants $12K for it.

you forgot the ";-)"

I didn't forget.  Honestly.  That was a few months ago, he's probably
dropped his price a bit by now.  The windows were a dark tint, too.
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Dan.

R. Mark Clayton - 02 Mar 2006 11:27 GMT
>>There is this velvet blue one on sale with prominent (oversize?) Alpina
>>and
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> and mismatched aftermarket wheels and a very tasteful spoiler on the
> trunk/boot lid that appeals to me more.  He only wants $12K for it.

Well the height of nafness in the UK is to have a LHD car.  I suppose that
they are more common in the UK than RHD in the USA, but tend to be favoured
by pimps and other show off criminals (serious criminals off course avoid
ostentation).
Dodgy - 02 Mar 2006 13:08 GMT
>>>There is this velvet blue one on sale with prominent (oversize?) Alpina
>>>and
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>by pimps and other show off criminals (serious criminals off course avoid
>ostentation).

There are some nice cars that are well worth driving that never came
in RHD... The Lancia Integrale comes to mind.

I always thought Smart cars were the height of naffness... Until I saw
this!

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/novelties/hoon-of-the-day-sportbikeretrofitted-smar
ts-157584.php


Now I want one!

Dodgy.
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R. Mark Clayton - 02 Mar 2006 13:29 GMT
> There are some nice cars that are well worth driving that never came
> in RHD... The Lancia Integrale comes to mind.

Original Audi Quattro (although it was blown).

> I always thought Smart cars were the height of naffness... Until I saw
> this!
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>
> Dodgy.

Later Smart cars are actually very nice for getting about town.  Quite roomy
(for two!), six gears etc., but getting expensive.
RCE - 01 Mar 2006 11:06 GMT
> Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing
> so, I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Any suggestions?
> thanks, mark

Assuming you are allowing sufficient time at steady state speed for several
GPS data updates (12 seconds or so) and are locked onto 3 or more satellites
(usually you will be locked on 6 or more) the Garmin will be accurate to
less than 1 mph - probably less than .5 mph or better.  GPS is incredibly
accurate measuring speed.

RCE
Dodgy - 01 Mar 2006 17:11 GMT
>Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing so,
>I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my speed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Any suggestions?
>thanks, mark

I too have a Garmin, and as another poster has stated, they are very
accurate.

My '96 E36 reads almost exactly the same as yours. 3mph high at 30mph,
slowly rising to 5mph by about 60mph. At which point it stays 5mph
high all the way to 100mph (which is as far as I tested to).

As for testing them, in the UK you're tested every time you go past
the big yellow boxes on poles!

Dodgy.
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Dan Krueger - 04 Mar 2006 01:08 GMT
> Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing so,
> I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my speed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Any suggestions?
> thanks, mark

I don't think the "error" is built in since it is inconsistent.  My X5
reads 1 MPH faster than the GPS at 60 mph.  My 3301 reads 3 MPH faster
at the same speed.

Since both are leases, I checked the car's odometer against the GPS.
They are both very close but do run a bit higher than they should.  Over
36 months/45K miles the difference isn't enough to cost me anything at
the end of the leases for extra mileage.  My guess is that, worst case,
the 330i will pick up 200 miles or so over that time.  I'm not that
close for it to matter.

FWIW a Pacifica I rented last week was dead on at 80 mph with the cruise
control set.

Dan
Jeff Strickland - 05 Mar 2006 18:16 GMT
Yes, the GPS should be accurate to a greater degree than the car.

If the car reports 70, you actual speed should be in the range of 67, give
or take an mph. You are noticing a normal condition, but perhaps a bit on
the extreme edge of what should be normal.

You can test with a stopwatch and a measured mile. The freeways have
milemarkers on the side, and you can divide 3600 by the time it takes to go
a mile with the Cruise Control set, and see if the speed that results
matches the speed reported by the GPS or the speedometer.

> Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing
> so, I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Any suggestions?
> thanks, mark
RT - 05 Mar 2006 23:12 GMT
>Hello.  I just bought a 530i 2003 to replace my totalled 540i.  In doing so,
>I also bought a good Garmin GPS/NAV system.  The Garmin calculates my speed
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Any suggestions?
>thanks, mark

This is normal. Seen it on every bmw. Your gps is accurate, the BMW is
not. 5 mph sounds about right with what I have seen. Same story on
Audi, I think they do it on purpose.
 
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