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Griff - 22 Jun 2006 14:39 GMT
Hi

I have an 840 and left it for 10 days recently and the relatively new
batteries (BOTH batteries less than 6 months old) were flat.  I had the
car checked out for an obvious battery drain and I was told that there
was nothing specific.  I was informed that the 8 series has a lot of
"body electronics" (as they termed it) and I should start worrying
after 7 days, even with batteries in tip-top condition.  Gosh, would
the person who designed the electronics like to step forward...?

So, I am wondering what I could do to stop this happening?  I
understand that completely discharging the batteries knackers them if
they're left a day or two.  I wondered about disconnecting them, but 1
- that leaves the car unalarmed and 2 - one has to find the code for
the radio etc...

My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
bought a duff model or whether these things only work 2 degrees either
side of the equator (I'm a citizen of the UK by the way).

I thougth about leaving it on permanent trickle-charge, but this turns
out to be completely impractical.

So, are there any alternative's I've not considered?  Are modern solar
panels up to it?  If so, any models recommended?

Look forward to hearing from you...

Griff
Dodgy - 22 Jun 2006 15:43 GMT
>Hi
>
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>
>Griff

Hi Griff,

The first thing you need to do is to work out how much drain the "body
electrics" are putting on the battery when the car is parked up.

A simple home multimeter should be able to measure this low current.
Set the meter to amps/current Disconnect on side of the battery, and
connect the meter between this lead and the battery terminal you just
removed it from. (just don't try and start the car with the meter in
line, or you'll melt it!). Sorry, but you'll have to reset the code on
the radio after this. :-)

Once you have the standby current figure for the car, you can go about
trying to find something to provide this current.

For example, if your meter says 1amp, and you have a 70AH (amp hour)
battery, this means in a perfect world your battery should be able to
last 70 hours. Although I wouldn't like to try and start the car by
the 69th hour.

If the car take 2 amps, the battery will only last 35hours... Etc.

Most cheap solar panels I have seen that plug into the cigar lighter
provide a pitiful current (in milliamps), which most modern car alarms
would easily exceed, leaving you with a net drain on the battery.

Although having said that, there's nothing to stop you adding several
panels together in parallel... Just remember, they'll have to provide
all the current the car's going eat during 24 hours using the 8 hours
of daylight in the winter time, so they need to provide 3 times the
parked up drain current.

I suspect your 840 might start looking like one of those solar racing
cars they race in Australia!

Simplest solution... Buy yourself a jump pack, which is basically a
small 12 battery in handy carry case... You charge it up from the
mains at home, and then put it in the boot. When you come back to a
dead car, clip it onto the dead battery, start the car, disconnect the
jump pack and remember the put it back on charge when you get home.

Something like this

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=49038&doy=22m6&C=SEO&U=strat15

Dodgy.
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Josh Assing - 22 Jun 2006 16:14 GMT
>Simplest solution... Buy yourself a jump pack, which is basically a
>small 12 battery in handy carry case... You charge it up from the
>mains at home, and then put it in the boot. When you come back to a
>dead car, clip it onto the dead battery, start the car, disconnect the
>jump pack and remember the put it back on charge when you get home.

I carry one; becuase before I put hte pirority start gizmo in; that was what I
was doing; but I've stopped carring it (it's still a lead acid battery that can
leak.) since the gizmo has not left me stranded -- and jumping the bmw is a PITA
and the electronics sometimes complains about it....

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Mike G - 22 Jun 2006 19:05 GMT
>>Hi
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> line, or you'll melt it!). Sorry, but you'll have to reset the code on
> the radio after this. :-)

OTOH you could try connecting the  MM to the battery and lead with crocodile
clips or similar, so the cars electrics are still being powered when the
lead is taken off.
Mike.
Dave Plowman (News) - 22 Jun 2006 21:16 GMT
> A simple home multimeter should be able to measure this low current.
> Set the meter to amps/current Disconnect on side of the battery, and
> connect the meter between this lead and the battery terminal you just
> removed it from. (just don't try and start the car with the meter in
> line, or you'll melt it!). Sorry, but you'll have to reset the code on
> the radio after this. :-)

Dunno what happens on this model exactly, but many will take quite a high
momentary discharge when the battery is re-connected and may take the fuse
on the DVM. Best to disconnect one battery lead then connect with a jump
lead etc with then connect the DVM in such a way as the jump lead can be
removed leaving the DVM in circuit.

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Berko - 23 Jun 2006 07:23 GMT
I have had this problem for a while now on my 5 series. Often I'll come
back to the car in the morning and find the battery with not enough
ooomph to kick it over. It bumps easy enough but that's hardly the
point!

A jump pack sounds like a great idea but is that right.... leaving it
unlocked reduces the drain?
Josh Assing - 22 Jun 2006 16:07 GMT
>I have an 840 and left it for 10 days recently and the relatively new
>batteries (BOTH batteries less than 6 months old) were flat.  I had the
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>after 7 days, even with batteries in tip-top condition.  Gosh, would
>the person who designed the electronics like to step forward...?

Don't feel bad -- I have a 7 series, and after 5 days of sitting; the battery is
dead.  I'd be happy for 10 days -- I disconnected the alarm / comfort locking
and didn't gain much.  

>So, I am wondering what I could do to stop this happening?  I
>understand that completely discharging the batteries knackers them if
>they're left a day or two.  I wondered about disconnecting them, but 1
>- that leaves the car unalarmed and 2 - one has to find the code for
>the radio etc...

Personally - those two things don't bug me; at this point the radio code is
second nature to me; and I think car alarms are mostly ignored by people; and a
real car theif, or a smash & grabber doens't care about an alarm the later just
grabs whatever and is gone; the former just disables the alarm quickly.

>My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
>his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
>bought a duff model or whether these things only work 2 degrees either
>side of the equator (I'm a citizen of the UK by the way).

They could help; only one way to find out.

>I thougth about leaving it on permanent trickle-charge, but this turns
>out to be completely impractical.

I use a battery-tender to maintain the battery when I put the bmw in the garage.
It plugs into the cig lighter in the dash; I have it hanging from the ceiling;
so I just open the door; grab it; plug it in; close the door -- not that hard,
really.

>So, are there any alternative's I've not considered?  Are modern solar
>panels up to it?  If so, any models recommended?

The solar panel would help for "Not at home" storage, ala: airports, or hotel
stays; but probably wouldn't keep it topped up indefinately.

I decided the radio code/car alarm issue was secondary to being "strandanded" (I
often leave teh car where I can't use a charger for days) -- so I installed one
of these, and was VERY pleased how nicely they work.  Really amazing.

http://www.prioritystart.com/ps_pro.html

That said -- I think i'll be installing a solar panel (or two) on the back deck.

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Richard Sexton - 22 Jun 2006 16:13 GMT
>My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
>his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
>bought a duff model or whether these things only work 2 degrees either
>side of the equator (I'm a citizen of the UK by the way).

No sh.t. Solar panels require SUNLIGHT. They're not powered by RAIN
or DAMP so they're not much use in the UK.

In countries where it doesn't rain every 5 minutes the things
are marginally usable but not real popular.

If parasitic load is killing two batteries in 8 days then
that has to be the all time record parasitic load and does
not sound remotely correct. A load that big can be measured.

Yeah I used to live there.

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Floyd Rogers - 22 Jun 2006 16:29 GMT
> >My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
>>his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
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> In countries where it doesn't rain every 5 minutes the things
> are marginally usable but not real popular.

Just because it rains doesn't mean that there isn't sunlight.
In fact, the parking meters in Seattle are solar powered; they
power the printer and wireless (cell phone?) connection for
credit card authorization.

FloydR
Dodgy - 22 Jun 2006 16:42 GMT
>>My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
>>his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Yeah I used to live there.

Yes Richard, we have no sunlight at all here in the UK. It just rains
in the pitch darkness 24/7

:-p

Gawd knows who we stole this 70F sunny day from...

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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 22 Jun 2006 16:59 GMT
> Gawd knows who we stole this 70F sunny day from...

I dunno but they must have returned it as I can't see any blue in the
sky from where I'm sitting.
Richard Sexton - 23 Jun 2006 10:12 GMT
>>>My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
>>>his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
>Gawd knows who we stole this 70F sunny day from...

Spain probably.

So I mover away and the sun comes out now? Figgers. Or maybe
you're lying. I figure if I fly to London right now it'll be
raining when I get there.

Besides I"m still trying to ge tmy head around Lucas solar
cells. "they work ok but the die in the heat of the sun"

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Dodgy - 27 Jun 2006 13:29 GMT
>>>>My neighbour purchased a solar panel but reckoned that the static from
>>>>his nylon jumper would have been of more use.  I don't know whether he
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>Besides I"m still trying to ge tmy head around Lucas solar
>cells. "they work ok but the die in the heat of the sun"

Ah, a good old Lucas joke... It's the 1960's all over again! :-p

Gawd help us when you get to hear about Amstrad stereos from the 80s.

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Dave Plowman (News) - 22 Jun 2006 21:09 GMT
> No sh.t. Solar panels require SUNLIGHT. They're not powered by RAIN
> or DAMP so they're not much use in the UK.

They're powered by light of any sort. Of course the greater the light the
greater the output.

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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 22 Jun 2006 16:42 GMT
> Hi
>
> I have an 840 and left it for 10 days recently and the relatively new
> batteries (BOTH batteries less than 6 months old) were flat.

Both batteries?  You mean one at a time right?
Neither of mine like bign left for a long time but often when I'm at
the dealers I hear of people in 5-series whose batteries don't even
last overnight - BMW solution: "leave the car unlocked overnight sir"
Rex B - 22 Jun 2006 17:20 GMT
> Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> bought a duff model or whether these things only work 2 degrees either
> side of the equator (I'm a citizen of the UK by the way).

Those work fine if they have enough output and if you park your car
outside.  You will want one with at least 1 sq ft of area, or two
smaller ones. I've used these for a variety of vehicles that aren't used
much, tractors to race cars. I love 'em.
  VW ships out every new car with a nice solar charger on the dash and
connected so the cars arrive with a hot battery. Most dealers just pile
these in the parts dept and sell them cheap. Ask your local dealer.
   I noticed Harbor Freight has a large solar charger now that puts out
something like 5 amps for under $50.  That is big enough to charge a
dead battery in just a few minutes if you get stranded and are parked
outdoors.

> I thougth about leaving it on permanent trickle-charge, but this turns
> out to be completely impractical.

Get one that plugs into the cigar lighter.
The jumper battery is also a good idea. They make some small ones that
connect (and also charge) through the cigar lighter. Often all your
battery needs is that little extra nudge to get your going, and you
don't have to open the hood. If your car has a power outlet in the
trunk, you can leave the jumper charging all the time.
Dave Plowman (News) - 22 Jun 2006 21:13 GMT
> I have an 840 and left it for 10 days recently and the relatively new
> batteries (BOTH batteries less than 6 months old) were flat.  I had the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> after 7 days, even with batteries in tip-top condition.  Gosh, would
> the person who designed the electronics like to step forward...?

Contact BMW - in writing - and ask how long your model can be left safely
without the battery going flat. I'd expect at least 14 days with a good
battery in a good state of charge.

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RT - 23 Jun 2006 21:12 GMT
>Hi
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
>Griff

Unless not parked near an outlet I would try to use a auto charger
like batteryminder of batterytender. They keep the battery full, and
you don't have to bother with switching it off when full.
They have quick connect terminals or you can use the cig lighter.
Works great for my motorcycle. Haven't needed a new battery in years.
Rex B - 23 Jun 2006 22:26 GMT
>> Hi
>>
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> They have quick connect terminals or you can use the cig lighter.
> Works great for my motorcycle. Haven't needed a new battery in years.

I agree, I use about 4 of them to keep my boat battery up, and a jet
ski, and a couple of spare batteries.
 
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