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kaptain kaos - 27 Jun 2006 04:08 GMT
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Emma Ward - 27 Jun 2006 09:37 GMT
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Amazing how the car takes the knocks.. hope the driver was ok !
JimmyG - 27 Jun 2006 14:13 GMT
What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  The track
owners should be at fault for this one.
Rex B - 27 Jun 2006 16:31 GMT
> What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  

That is there for the stunt team demonstration during the lunch break ;)

The track
> owners should be at fault for this one.

Anyone know what track that is?  First impression was Lime Rock, but
I've never been there, and can't imagine a ramp like that at a US track.
Dodgy - 27 Jun 2006 17:16 GMT
>> What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  
>
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>Anyone know what track that is?  First impression was Lime Rock, but
>I've never been there, and can't imagine a ramp like that at a US track.

I would guess that the "ramp" is actually the side of a drainage
ditch... Still, not the most sensible place to put one!

Dodgy.
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Rex B - 27 Jun 2006 18:49 GMT
>>> What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  
>> That is there for the stunt team demonstration during the lunch break ;)
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> I would guess that the "ramp" is actually the side of a drainage
> ditch... Still, not the most sensible place to put one!

Actually, I think there was a service road or something there.
Bob - 27 Jun 2006 19:53 GMT
>>>What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  
>>
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>
> Dodgy.
Just thought I would post this post accident interview which clears up
some things...From the Grand Am site:

Hand Recounts Events Surrounding Spectacular Crash at Mid-Ohio

LEXINGTON, Ohio (June 25, 2006) -- No. 21 Matt Connolly Motorsports BMW
M3 driver Joey Hand, who was involved in a spectacular, end-over-end
crash while battling for the lead with Paul Edwards in the No. 64
TRG/iRise Pontiac GTO.R late in Saturday's EMCO Gears Classic presented
by KeyBank at Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course, was released from
Mansfield/MedCentral Hospital at 12:40 a.m. ET.

All x-rays and CAT-scans were negative, and Hand was back at Mid-Ohio on
Sunday morning as teams made final preparations for the Grand-Am Cup 200
on Sunday afternoon. Hand was scheduled to co-drive the No. 97 Turner
Motorsport BMW M3 with Anders Hainer, but will be replaced in the car by
Nic Jönsson. What follows below is Hand's account of the accident itself
and its aftermath. Saturday's Grand American Rolex Sports Car Series
presented by Crown Royal Special Reserve EMCO Gears Classic airs on
SPEED Channel this afternoon at 3:00 p.m. ET.

Q: How did the incident happen?

HAND: I was leading, obviously, and we came up on some lapped cars and
we went two or three wide. I went to the inside and kind of got held up
on my run off the Keyhole (Turn 2). I went to the inside and Edwards got
a run on me. I defended way to the inside, right to the grass, and he
never took his foot out of it. He got into my right rear and kind of
lifted the car up a bit. I got a little wheelspin and it turned me into
the infield.

It was no problem, I got the car straightened out and it was all good,
but there's a crossover road in the middle of the track that is new. It
has a really big elevation change to the road from the grass and when I
hit that, the car got launched and scooped the nose. It went really high
and it landed nose-first, missed the tail, then nose-first, missed the
tail, like, eight times or something.

I was conscious for the whole thing. I felt every one. I mean, I was
sure I was going to be badly hurt. I was like, 'Oh, this is bad.' My big
concern was--I thought, 'The worst thing that can happen to me is to get
hit by another car sliding across the track upside down.' That's what I
was really worried about.

When it was all said and done, I came to a stop upside down. I was still
in the seat, and the first thing I noticed was my right shoe was off. I
blew my right shoe off and my right glove somehow. I unbuckled myself
and fell down out of the car onto the roof. There was fuel running down
my back and into the roof of the car, and oil and stuff. The corner
workers were yelling to get out of the car because it was going to catch
fire, and I couldn't get out because my HANS device was stuck in the
window net, and the window was smaller than normal.

I went back in and tried to get my helmet off and then they called me
back out again, and then they finally got me out with my HANS and
everything on. I just climbed out and laid against the wall. We were too
close to the car, still, so they dragged me up the way and worked on me
from there.

Right now, I'm just pretty lucky, I think. When I was hitting every
time, I thought it was sure that I was going to have broken legs and
arms and stuff. But right now, all I've got is a badly-bruised right
elbow and really sore back and neck, left foot, right groin and things
like that hurt.

All-in-all, I can walk up and down pit lane and I really did not think I
was going to be walking. I didn't think I'd walk out of the hospital
last night, for sure. I got out of the hospital at about 1:00 in the
morning and went straight to Steak 'n Shake and got myself a chocolate
shake and a double Steak 'n Shake burger with fries and chili.

Q: What was going through your mind when all of this was happening?

HAND: I can remember vividly the first two or three landings, but it
knocked the wind right out of me. Every hit was just hurting. I could
feel the belts and I was just way up in the belts. Absolutely the main
thing going through my mind was I was worried I was going to get hit by
another car. That's what I was worried about.

I'm just glad all the guys behind me were smart enough to get it
whoaed-down and they missed all the wreck. Nobody clipped me again.
Otherwise, I was just assessing the situation. I've been in a lot of
wrecks, unfortunately. Well, not a lot, but a couple big ones, and when
that stuff is happening you kind of assess the situation quickly.

I moved my legs; I knew I was okay there. Since I already have a back
issue, I figured, 'Well, hopefully my back doesn't get hurt again.' I
moved my feet, and I was good. I noticed I didn't have a right shoe, and
that was kind of intriguing to me. I knew that my groin area was
hurting, because when I came to a stop, I was hanging by my sub belts
and my lap belts, pretty much.

After that, the first thing I started thinking was, 'Hey, this feels
like fuel and oil. This is going to catch fire. I need to get out of
here.' The window net was still up, I mean, it was just a mess to get
out. Then, you start panicking. Fire makes you panic, and that's
obviously the worst thing for any race car driver is fire. I thought,
'Boy, this would be icing on the cake. Wreck huge and then catch on fire
and burn to the ground.'

When it was all said and done, people were asking me, 'Am I upset about
the whole deal?' Well, yeah. I was winning the race in a car that nobody
thought could win, with a team that didn't think it could win. Everybody
came through, the pit stops were good, the strategy was great,
(co-driver) Chris (Gleason) did a great job, and we had a chance to win
the GT class for the first time this year in a BMW, and it just got
turned around. It really is a racing incident.

The only thing I could say about Paul Edwards is that I wouldn't have
drove it in there, I would have lifted. But when it's all said and done,
I was defending my line, he was trying to pass, there's two laps to go
or whatever, and it was pretty much a racing incident. But I would not
have done it to him.

Q: What do you think prevented really serious injuries from happening to
you?

HAND: Number one, right from the get-go, BMW Motorsport builds these
cars with a roll cage in them. They come to PTG that way, and then PTG
reinforces and does even more stuff to them. Number one, I think the
guys at PTG, the fabricators, especially James Stevens, I know for a
fact that I'm going to give him a hug, because these guys weld this cage
together and it withstood a wreck it shouldn't have withstood as far as
everybody's concerned.

That's a big thing, and also the preparation by the Connolly guys. I
mean, the belts stayed intact, the seats stayed intact and all the
safety equipment stayed intact. If you don't have that stuff, you don't
survive or you don't come out walking away. The preparation from PTG to
Connolly is probably what saved me.

Q: What about the HANS Device?

HAND: That's number two for me and the HANS Device. That's the second
time the HANS Device saved me. They said there's no way I could have
survived the impacts without the HANS Device. It saved me again. In (a
Toyota Atlantic car at) Milwaukee it saved me and here it saved me. I
won't drive without it if I have a chance. Not many people can say that
they hit hard enough to have a HANS Device save them twice. Whatever,
we'll go on.

Q: Were you scared?

HAND: This was probably the most scared I've been, when I was thinking I
was going to catch fire. That's a really bad thing. Otherwise, I wasn't
that scared. I think I'm pretty good at surviving. I always tell my
wife, 'The key is to survive, right?' Survival came into account
immediately.

I was like, 'I've got to get out of here.' As soon as I came to a stop,
I was like, 'Forget it, if I've got a broken leg or whatever, I'll drag
myself out of here.' A lot of stuff didn't feel good, but I was like,
'It doesn't matter at this point. My arms are working and I'm going to
drag myself out of this car somehow. I don't want to burn to the ground
with it.' At that point, I was a little bit scared. I panicked a little bit.

But then, once I got out, I was like, 'I'm good. At this point, I'm
good.' That was until they wanted to Life Flight me because they thought
I had internal injuries. Then, I started thinking, 'Do I have internal
injuries? I don't know. Maybe I do feel something.' I had an IV in both
arms and was just going crazy.

Then they cut all my clothes off, which, everything was by procedure and
I want to thank all the people out there, because they were right on the
spot. They did everything right as far as I'm concerned. They cut all my
clothes off and then they hosed me down with a fire hose (out of concern
that he was soaked in fuel), which I thought was the funniest thing of
the whole deal. I was laying out there, butt naked, hosing down 200
gallons of water with a fire hose in the rocks.

Q: How do you feel this morning?

HAND: This morning, I didn't take any Motrin or anything, which is what
they prescribed me, and I've got pretty big back and neck pain. My right
elbow, my right groin, I'm pretty much just sore everywhere. Really, my
head's feeling better and everything feels fine. I had no concussion. I
was cleared on the CAT-scan. There were no problems on the CAT-scan and
no problems on x-rays. I'm good to go, but I'm not going to race today
in the Grand-Am Cup race. The doctor there cleared me for next week.

Cheers, Bob
sunderland - 27 Jun 2006 17:12 GMT
> What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  The track
> owners should be at fault for this one.

Track owners? What about the idiot (with the in-car camera) that rammed
him from behind, which started the whole mess?

At any pre-race driver's meeting they'll tell you: "When at full speed
on the straight, do not ram the car ahead of you. This is not NASCAR."
Rex B - 27 Jun 2006 18:56 GMT
>> What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  The track
>> owners should be at fault for this one.
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> At any pre-race driver's meeting they'll tell you: "When at full speed
> on the straight, do not ram the car ahead of you. This is not NASCAR."

Well, true, but when you are in a spec class, running in a bunch down a
straight, that's about as hair-raising as anything I've done. You are
watching the guy in front of your bumper, and through his glass, the guy
in front of him. While watching the track, and keeping tabs on the cars
either side of you, and watching the tach, shifting. You are also
looking for a dip of the head, hand movement etc to indicate who is
going for the brakes first. If it's the guy in front of you, and you
don't know him well enough to spot the signs, or otherwise know when he
will brake for that turn, you are probably going to tap him or worse.
   Those are expensive cars in that video, in a very competitive
series. I doubt an amateur would be there.
KMS - Brett Anderson - 28 Jun 2006 21:52 GMT
> What the hell was that big berm doing there in the grassy area?  The track
> owners should be at fault for this one.

That berm is a new addition to Mid Ohio, this year.   Early in the year,
they added two sections of track that allow them to run the main course,
minus the key hole, and run the key hole as a seperate track.

The berm is to prevent someone skidding off one track, into the other.

Prior to this modification, done just a few months ago, Joey could have
gathered up the car and kept going straight, bypassing the kink and
re-entering the track a couple of hundred metres down the back straight.

I'm sure the track modifications seemed like a good idea at the time....

Brett Anderson
KMS - Koala Motorsport
Rex B - 27 Jun 2006 14:17 GMT
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that'll buff right out
Dodgy - 27 Jun 2006 17:15 GMT
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What a great demonstration of crumple zones and the passenger safety
cell in action.

I wonder where the engine landed... :-/

Dodgy.
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John Hudson - 28 Jun 2006 00:30 GMT
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According to Zone Alarm, this is a 'spyware site' so I didn't go there.
kaptain kaos - 28 Jun 2006 02:38 GMT
I think you are the only one, zone alarm sucks, and obviously everyone else
saw it just fine!

>> http://s25.photobucket.com/albums/c72/everybodylikepi/?action=view&current=m3fli
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>
> According to Zone Alarm, this is a 'spyware site' so I didn't go there.

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