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E39 540i

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Dan Buchan - 31 Jul 2006 20:36 GMT
I'm thinking of getting a 540, probably a Touring.  What sort of things
should I look out for?  I've seen mention of pre- and post-facelift models,
piston ring modifications re excessive oil burning.  Obviously the earlier
cars are cheaper.  I will probably go for an automatic.  Are they always
Steptronic or was there a conventional autobox offered?

I've had trouble getting accurate specs from the web.  The handbook for my
E34 lists the weights, top speeds, claimed mpg and 0-60 acceleration for all
the models.  Would an E39 owner mind posting these details if the book has
them?  In particular I'm interested in the weight of the Touring compared to
the saloon, and the performance penalty.

In case international models vary, I would be getting a UK spec car because
that's where I live.

By the way, I was looking at M5s and, although they are not too expensive,
they're twice a 540 in price and more than twice as much to ensure, so the
540 looks much more practical.
bfd - 31 Jul 2006 23:01 GMT
> I'm thinking of getting a 540, probably a Touring.  What sort of things
> should I look out for?  I've seen mention of pre- and post-facelift models,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> they're twice a 540 in price and more than twice as much to ensure, so the
> 540 looks much more practical.

You may want to check out John Burn's site:

http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/e39.html
turtill@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2006 23:35 GMT
>> I'm thinking of getting a 540, probably a Touring.  What sort of things
>> should I look out for?  I've seen mention of pre- and post-facelift models,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
>http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/e39.html

Yes this is a fantastic site. However on there it says
"Watch for squeaks from the rear door seals and leather rear seats."
What is wrong if there are squeaks?
pete

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Richard Sexton - 01 Aug 2006 09:43 GMT
>>http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/e39.html
>
>Yes this is a fantastic site. However on there it says
>"Watch for squeaks from the rear door seals and leather rear seats."
>What is wrong if there are squeaks?

Cornish leather pixies. Right bastards to get rid of, too.

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bfd - 01 Aug 2006 18:35 GMT
> >> I'm thinking of getting a 540, probably a Touring.  What sort of things
> >> should I look out for?  I've seen mention of pre- and post-facelift models,
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> --
OK, I don't know what's going on with the rear door seals (maybe it
needs a little gummi pflege) and leather seats, but since you guys
appear to be in the UK, here's a link to the tech write up from the
Golden Gate Chapter (SF Bay Area) of BMWCCA re what to look for in an
E39 540i:

May 2005, p. 23, "Back at the Wrench:"

http://www.ggcbmwcca.org/download/bombe/bombe05may.pdf

Further, if you subscribe or can get your hands of past Roundel, the
BMWCCA magazine, Mike Miller's Tech Talk discuss similar problems with
the E39 540i.

One question, if you guys are in the UK with those high gas prices
(hey, you bring it on yourself with all those taxes), why are you
interested in a V8? I would have thought the potent 535d, which we
unfortunately don't get here in the states, is the engine of choice?
Dave Plowman (News) - 01 Aug 2006 19:26 GMT
> One question, if you guys are in the UK with those high gas prices
> (hey, you bring it on yourself with all those taxes),

You guys seem to be doing ok without the taxes by all the bleating.;-)

> why are you interested in a V8? I would have thought the potent 535d,
> which we unfortunately don't get here in the states, is the engine of
> choice?

The 535d is still quite new and very expensive secondhand. I've not seen
one under 30,000 gbp. The E39 540 on the other hand can be bought cheaply
- well under 5000 gbp for an early one.

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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Aug 2006 11:56 GMT
> One question, if you guys are in the UK with those high gas prices
> (hey, you bring it on yourself with all those taxes), why are you
> interested in a V8?

That's why they're so cheap.  Big cars are bought new by the rich but
there's not the demand by Joe public in the used car market, especially
when they get out of warranty.
Dave Plowman (News) - 02 Aug 2006 12:13 GMT
> > One question, if you guys are in the UK with those high gas prices
> > (hey, you bring it on yourself with all those taxes), why are you
> > interested in a V8?

> That's why they're so cheap.  Big cars are bought new by the rich but
> there's not the demand by Joe public in the used car market, especially
> when they get out of warranty.

I'd also not recommend a BMW V-8 to anyone without deep pockets, and
that's not just because of the fuel consumption. They are in general far
less reliable than the sixes - and not just the engines. Of course if you
go into it knowing this and can DIY, they can be decent buys.

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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Aug 2006 13:58 GMT
> I'd also not recommend a BMW V-8 to anyone without deep pockets, and
> that's not just because of the fuel consumption. They are in general far
> less reliable than the sixes - and not just the engines. Of course if you
> go into it knowing this and can DIY, they can be decent buys.

I have deep pockets but I'm told I have very short arms
Dan Buchan - 02 Aug 2006 23:58 GMT
> One question, if you guys are in the UK with those high gas prices
> (hey, you bring it on yourself with all those taxes), why are you
> interested in a V8? I would have thought the potent 535d, which we
> unfortunately don't get here in the states, is the engine of choice?

There was no 535d E39 that I know of, but you can get a 530d.  It's
difficult to say for sure, prices varying so much, but they seem to be about
£1k more expensive than the 540i, on average.  The 540i does 0-60 in 6.5ish
and the 530d probably 7.5?  If the 540 averages 25mpg and the 530d 35mpg,
and you do 10,000 miles a year with fuel £4.50 per gallon, in the 530d you
spend £1285 and in the 540 £1800.  So it costs £515 (halve that for dollars)
a year extra to run the 540i which cost you £1000 less to buy and is a more
enjoyable car (in my opinion) and faster.  The diesels, though very good for
what they are, do still sound rough compared to petrol, and the V8 has a
nice burble.  I bet it feels a lot faster than it looks on paper too; it's a
big engine in a low state of tune.

But don't tell anyone because I have reasons for wanting the prices of 540s
to stay low.

It gets really interesting when you look at the relative costs of buying an
economical car, say a newish Focus diesel with 50mpg, for £10k against
buying something like a 540i for £5k with 25mpg.  Basically, if you assume
service costs are similar  -  my E34 525i has been one of the cheapest cars
I've had to maintain  -  it costs £1000 a year extra for the 540i if you do
12k miles so the 540 is cheaper for the first 5 years.  The Focus would be
newer but it's still a Focus.
Dave Plowman (News) - 03 Aug 2006 01:02 GMT
> It gets really interesting when you look at the relative costs of buying
> an economical car, say a newish Focus diesel with 50mpg, for £10k
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> the 540i if you do 12k miles so the 540 is cheaper for the first 5
> years.  The Focus would be newer but it's still a Focus.

I'd be very surprised if you averaged 25 with a 540 over a year unless
your driving is exclusively on motorways. They absolutely drink petrol in
heavy town traffic. Also the likely repair costs are in a different league
to an E34 525 which is a pretty reliable model.

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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Aug 2006 13:07 GMT
> I'd be very surprised if you averaged 25 with a 540 over a year unless
> your driving is exclusively on motorways. They absolutely drink petrol in
> heavy town traffic. Also the likely repair costs are in a different league
> to an E34 525 which is a pretty reliable model.
>
> --

So what typically goes wrong on a v8 that doesn't on a 6?
turtill@hotmail.com - 03 Aug 2006 23:04 GMT
>> I'd be very surprised if you averaged 25 with a 540 over a year unless
>> your driving is exclusively on motorways. They absolutely drink petrol in
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>So what typically goes wrong on a v8 that doesn't on a 6?

The serpentine belt, steering gets sloppy, water pump is all I have
been hurt by in the last 2/3 years. I wouldn't change my 540 tourer
for a 6 cylinder model but I would like to have rack and pinion
steering. I would also probably try a series 7 if it was 12 cylinder
and at a price I could sell it on at after a little fun. Talking about
fun I would probably like to play with an old M3:-)
pete

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turtill@hotmail.com - 20 Aug 2006 01:25 GMT
>> It gets really interesting when you look at the relative costs of buying
>> an economical car, say a newish Focus diesel with 50mpg, for £10k
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>heavy town traffic. Also the likely repair costs are in a different league
>to an E34 525 which is a pretty reliable model.

I recognise all the draw backs you list of course but the strange
thing is it is still difficult to find a newish tourer with low miles
for sale in the UK. I had to search high and low for mine and it is
older than I wanted. I had to go 50 miles when I did eventually find
my car.
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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 21 Aug 2006 13:53 GMT
> I recognise all the draw backs you list of course but the strange
> thing is it is still difficult to find a newish tourer with low miles
> for sale in the UK. I had to search high and low for mine and it is
> older than I wanted. I had to go 50 miles when I did eventually find
> my car.
> pete

Did you stop over at a hotel for the night halfway?
turtill@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2006 23:25 GMT
>I'm thinking of getting a 540, probably a Touring.  What sort of things
>should I look out for?  I've seen mention of pre- and post-facelift models,
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>they're twice a 540 in price and more than twice as much to ensure, so the
>540 looks much more practical.

I have a 2000 540 tourer which has now done 60K miles in the UK. Mine
has tiptronic and I get 22.9 per gallon. I cannot give you the other
details as I do not have the handbook to hand but I can only say that
after having a 535 I am more than happy with the car. I would have
liked the M5 horsepower but I didn't want a manual gear change and
anyhow I have discovered my 286 BHP is more than sufficient for me.
pete

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adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 01 Aug 2006 10:49 GMT
> I'm thinking of getting a 540, probably a Touring.  What sort of things
> should I look out for?  I've seen mention of pre- and post-facelift models,
> piston ring modifications re excessive oil burning.  Obviously the earlier
> cars are cheaper.  I will probably go for an automatic.  Are they always
> Steptronic or was there a conventional autobox offered?

I have a 740i and the performance is still pretty good so I wouldn't
worry about the fact that it's a touring.   E38s had a problem I think
with the oil pump bolts coming loose but I don't know if that effects
the E39s too.

The steptronic is good, if only so you can lock it in a high gear on a
cruise.
Fuel comsumption varies considerably depending on whether you are doing
city or motorway driving.  In the 740 I get about 16mpg around town but
high 20s on runs.  I even saw 30 on a long trip once!
 
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