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Car Forum / BMW Cars / August 2006

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Old 535i, 540i, 740i, 750i - Are they any good when old, cheap with high miles ?

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M C - 01 Aug 2006 21:19 GMT
Hi,

I'm considering looking into getting an old V8 5 or 7 series as a second
car/hobby and occasional low miles use.

I don't want to spend any more than £1500 - £2000 for something with > 130K
Miles

Are these cars worth bothering with or is it a bad idea ?

What should I look out for when test driving ?  What's the worst that can go
wrong with these motors ?

Any suggestions and help much appreciated..

Marc
R. Mark Clayton - 01 Aug 2006 21:59 GMT
> Hi,
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> Marc

7 series depreciate the fastest and are more heavily loaded as standard, and
in the past have represented excellent value for money when a few years old.

High mileage does not normally bother big 7's, but unfortunately those
fitted with the M60 V8 engine (pre ~1996) suffer the 'nikasil' problem.

The twin vanos straight 6 (M52?) engine allegedly suffer from O ring failure
in the high oil pressure valve timing mechanism.

Look back in this group for more info.
adder1969@yahoo.co.uk - 02 Aug 2006 11:51 GMT
> The twin vanos straight 6 (M52?) engine allegedly suffer from O ring failure
> in the high oil pressure valve timing mechanism.

"Old" 7 series wouldn't have twin vanos would they?

I paid just over 2k for a '96 4.4 740i but will have spent maybe
another £750 on it.  It's got parking sensors, rear and side blinds,
split a/c, heated seats, SATNAV/TV, triptronic gearbox so a lot for the
money.

Parts for 7's aren't as easy or cheap to come by as they are for say a
3 series but I did all the brakes including handbrake for about £100,
but then a single stabilising suspension arm was about £50.  Exhausts
aren't cheap and early V8 cats tend to break up.  There is some warning
about oil pump bolts going loose.

google or go to www.e38.org to find out more.
R. Mark Clayton - 02 Aug 2006 15:02 GMT
R. Mark Clayton wrote:

> The twin vanos straight 6 (M52?) engine allegedly suffer from O ring
> failure
> in the high oil pressure valve timing mechanism.

"Old" 7 series wouldn't have twin vanos would they?

728 from about 1998 - depends on your view of 'old' in respect to cars I
suppose.

I paid just over 2k for a '96 4.4 740i but will have spent maybe
another £750 on it.  It's got parking sensors, rear and side blinds,
split a/c, heated seats, SATNAV/TV, triptronic gearbox so a lot for the
money.

Good buy.
John Burns - 01 Aug 2006 23:15 GMT
> I'm considering looking into getting an old V8 5 or 7 series as a second
> car/hobby and occasional low miles use.
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> What should I look out for when test driving ?  What's the worst that can go
> wrong with these motors ?

If they don't have service history run away, trust me.

The V8 cooling systems are cheaply made and the gearboxes have
"lifetime" fluid (change asap). I've had both and far prefer the M30 3.5
six to the V8s.

Watch for worn bushings and things, not dear in parts.

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Miller - 05 Aug 2006 09:24 GMT
i picked up an e38 3.5l on a 98-plate for £3k here in UK.  before getting
this i was always a merc driver, but the 7-series is doing a good job of
changing my mind.  like another poster has said, the car *must* have a
service history.  apart from that, use your judgement about the previous
owner to decide whether that car has had everything it needs at the right
time.  the V8 can be comically frugal for such a big motor - but if you boot
it around alll the time you will need your own oil well.  from what i have
heard, the 728i is a good car, especially post-2000.

parts prices vary tremendously.  some are very expensive.  the e38 suffers
from a few model-specific faults, one being that the dashboard display
doesn't ... display.  £500 plus fitting.  the suspension bushings go at the
front, leading to alarming 'wobble' at certain speeds and under braking.
the bushes are cheap, garage labour is generally not.  tyres are expensive.

but they're lovely cars; on a recent trip to the continent, mine cruised
happily all day at 100+mph, and returned an average over 3,000 miles of
25mpg.

good luck.
 
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