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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / July 2007Seat Belt: Will You Get Ticketed If You Show Medical Exemption?
If you're pulled over in California for not wearing a seat belt and you show a note from doctor (describing medical condition that precludes wearing of seat belt), is that enough or can the cop still ticket you and make you have to show up in court to explain? Note that California law does allow medical seat belt exemptions. But not sure how the police handle this. Ravi <Raul.Fremont@gmail.com> said in ca.driving: >If you're pulled over in California for not wearing a seat belt and >you show a note from doctor (describing medical condition that >precludes wearing of seat belt), is that enough or can the cop still >ticket you and make you have to show up in court to explain? > >But not sure how the police handle this. They will ticket you, and you will have to bring your little doctor's note with you to court. Doctors' notes don't matter a whit to cops - with them it's either click it or ticket. Just out of curiosity, what sort of medical condition would prevent you from wearing a seat belt? If I had some sort of medical condition which prevented me from wearing a seat belt, I wouldn't drive. No sense getting dead over a medical condition.  SignatureI hated Bush before it was cool. > Ravi <Raul.Fremont@gmail.com> said in ca.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > wearing a seat belt, I wouldn't drive. No sense getting dead over a > medical condition. I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use and they really help reduce the risk of serious injury and death during an accident. I guess some people just have a death wish. - Peter >I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using >their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use Yes, they are. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in ca.driving: >>I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using >>their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use > >Yes, they are. I probably wouldn't mind if people refused to wear seat belts. Like motorcycle helmets, not wearing them tends to be a self-curing problem. However, the costs associated with your "rescue" and medical care are borne by the rest of us who DO take proper precautions, and I find that very objectionable. If you refuse to wear a seat belt, you should also lose all rights to publicly-funded emergency services and/or publicly-funded medical care. As long as it doesn't increase my costs, feel free to give Darwin a helping hand. SignatureI hated Bush before it was cool. > russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in ca.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > care. As long as it doesn't increase my costs, feel free to give > Darwin a helping hand. How about wearing a helmet while driving a car, then? Apparently the statistics for head injuries are pretty similar for car and motorcycle drivers. SignatureCheers, Bev xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx "Faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death." -- Hunter S. Thompson > Scott en Aztl?n wrote: > > russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in ca.driving: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - And I suppose you have a cite for that? Harry K >> > russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in ca.driving: >> >> >>>I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using >> >>>their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use >> >> >>Yes, they are. I'd say inoffensive rather than comfortable. If I were 4 inches taller I'd probably be happier, as I would be if I bothered to buy a sheepskin cushion for it. One of these days... >> > I probably wouldn't mind if people refused to wear seat belts. Like >> > motorcycle helmets, not wearing them tends to be a self-curing [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > And I suppose you have a cite for that? Article at least a decade ago -- maybe two -- in the AMA magazine. Believe it or don't. SignatureCheers, Bev ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ All bleeding eventually stops. The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >How about wearing a helmet while driving a car, then? Apparently the >statistics for head injuries are pretty similar for car and motorcycle drivers. Cite? SignatureMFFYCam Videos Galore: http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/ http://slothkills.blip.tv/ > The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Cite? "Apparently", that means you can just tell it's true. :) >>Yes, they are. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >care are borne by the rest of us who DO take proper precautions, and I >find that very objectionable. Then object to those imposing the costs. Once such costs become a valid reason for restricting activities, there is no limit on what can be restricted. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >>> Yes, they are. >> I probably wouldn't mind if people refused to wear seat belts. Like [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > valid reason for restricting activities, there is no limit on what can > be restricted. It's not just the costs, but the great inconvenience unbelted drivers cause the general driving public every time they are thrown from their vehicles and die. Law enforcement officials take a FAR longer time (because they have to gather up a lot more evidence) to clear an accident scene when a fatality is involved. Multiple lanes of freeways can be closed down for hours while law enforcement officers take photographs, make measurements, and gather up the forensic evidence. A lot of those fatalities could be avoided if more people wore their seat belts. In an ironic way, it's the ultimate and final MFFY! - Peter On Jul 19, 9:45 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: > In article <5sc0a3tdef1psjg8q1vhf6399rh44me...@4ax.com>, > Scott en Aztl?n <newsgroup> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > valid reason for restricting activities, there is no limit on what can > be restricted. ??? Somebody doesn't wear a belt, ejects, major injuries and you expect the rescue units and medical facilities not to charge for their time/equipment? Weird. Harry K >On Jul 19, 9:45 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >expect the rescue units and medical facilities not to charge for their >time/equipment? Weird. Rescue units? Medical facilities? If they can't pay for them, sweep them off the road and bury them in a pauper's grave. Don't like that? Fine, provide rescue and medical -- but don't try to use your squeamishness as an excuse to control other's behavior. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > In article <1184937522.829526.38...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Squeamishness? I have no problem with your approach but you might note the "not charge" bit above? If they don't charge how can they know they won't be paid? Or do you expect them to collect on the scene somehow? Logic not one of your strong points? Harry K >> In article <1184937522.829526.38...@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> provide rescue and medical -- but don't try to use your squeamishness >> as an excuse to control other's behavior. >Squeamishness? I have no problem with your approach but you might >note the "not charge" bit above? If they don't charge how can they >know they won't be paid? Or do you expect them to collect on the >scene somehow? Logic not one of your strong points? It is a problem, but not an insurmountable one. Some token indicating ability and willingness to pay could be mounted to the car in a (or several) prominent locations, such that they (or their absence) would be visible in any but the most severe collisions. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. On Jul 23, 7:30 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) wrote: > In article <1185131152.473622.253...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - Show quoted text - And the EMT can tell by looking at it that that is the person with/ without insurance laying there? Harry K >On Jul 23, 7:30 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >And the EMT can tell by looking at it that that is the person with/ >without insurance laying there? I would think so, in most cases. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. russotto@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) said in rec.autos.driving: >>On Jul 23, 7:30 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) >>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I would think so, in most cases. Dogtags? SignatureMFFYCam Videos Galore: http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/ http://slothkills.blip.tv/ Harry K <turnkey4099@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1184937522.829526.38160 @q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: > On Jul 19, 9:45 pm, russo...@grace.speakeasy.net (Matthew T. Russotto) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Harry K We've got local ambulance units that are closing thier squads because they are not getting paid by the insurance companies. So, yes, they charge, but it's difficult to collect. BTW, most are voluntee like the FDs. Doug > Harry K <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:1184937522.829526.38160 > @q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Yep, even with tax revenue they are having a hard time keeping head above water. Dunno about out where you are but here there are tax districts to pay part of the cost but patients (or their insurance) are also charged. Harry K > >I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using > >their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use > > Yes, they are. Actually, they aren't that comfortable but... many vehicles do have a seatbelt height adjustment to adjust the shoulder belt over the shoulder instead of touching the side of the neck, and a relatively inexpensive seatbelt shoulder pad makes the shoulder belt more comfortable over the shoulder when driving for longer than 30 minutes. That said, I always find that the lapbelt part of the shoulder/lap seatbelt combination feels as if it should retract just a bit tighter. Still, I always use my seatbelt when driving, since the airbags are intended as supplemental restraints, and the seatbelts are the primary restraint. >>> I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using >>> their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > seatbelt shoulder pad makes the shoulder belt more comfortable over the > shoulder when driving for longer than 30 minutes. I didn't mean to imply that seat belts are comfortable, but that modern ones (when probably adjusted) shouldn't cause anyone a great deal of discomfort. When probably adjusted, the seat and shoulder belt should keep you relatively snug against your seat without causing any sort of pain or discomfort. And the benefits of using them should be obvious to any intelligent driver. Maybe it's because I remember how uncomfortable the original seat and shoulder belts of the '60's and '70's could be, that I appreciate the relative comfort of the modern ones. It shouldn't be a big deal to use them for most people. - Peter > >> In article <rzRni.23422$Rw1.19...@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>, > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Peter I, personally, find them quit comfortable. But then I am 6ft tall and only mildly overweight. I can see where a shorter person might have a problem with the sholder belt riding on the neck. If they operate properly, they do not unduly restrict movement in the cabin. Lean forward and it allows, lean to the side the same. Back to driving position and it retracts. If anything I wish it would tighten up a bit more when returning to position. I have been using them since 1959 (1959 Volvo) and won't move a vehicle out of my drive without wearing one. Won't even shift one a block or two in town either since getting a warning a few years ago. Harry K Peter Lawrence <hummbaby@aol.com> said in rec.autos.driving: >>>> I really never understood why many people prefer driving without using >>>> their seat belt. Modern car seat belts are not uncomfortable to use [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >ones (when probably adjusted) shouldn't cause anyone a great deal of >discomfort. I always wear a seat belt. Most of the time I don't even notice I'm wearing one unless the retractor spool locks up for some reason (e.g. spirited driving). SignatureMFFYCam Videos Galore: http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/ http://slothkills.blip.tv/ > Peter Lawrence <hummb...@aol.com> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > wearing one unless the retractor spool locks up for some reason (e.g. > spirited driving). I used to have an '81 Vette that had a tendency to continually tighten up the belts when driving over those hoppity parts of the freeway, to the point of inhibiting breathing. I would imagine someone with claustrophobia would really freak over that one. The first couple of times it happened it took a few seconds to realize I had to unlatch it (I'm tall, seat all the way back). jg -- @home.com is bogus. Just like this one: http://oddrob.com/images/corvettes/1981a.jpg On Jul 19, 6:47 am, Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Ravi <Raul.Frem...@gmail.com> said in ca.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > wearing a seat belt, I wouldn't drive. No sense getting dead over a > medical condition. It applies to passengers. Full-body casts, recent surgery, certain muscle or skeletal problems, mental problems at a stretch... how can you get home from the hospital after you get a new colostomy bag? And if you've ever had to deal with a stuck kidney stone... jg -- @home.com is bogus. Seen yesterday: INS8BL - vanity plate on SUV NFW JACK - vanity plate on El Camino. > It applies to passengers. Full-body casts, recent surgery, certain > muscle or skeletal problems, mental problems at a stretch... how can > you get home from the hospital after you get a new colostomy bag? Well you shouldn't be driving yourself after recent surgery. But supposing you do, that gives me an idea. You could hook up the bag input to your exhaust. Dump that sh.t right out the tailpipe!! Great weapon against those pesky tailgaters. > > It applies to passengers. Full-body casts, recent surgery, certain > > muscle or skeletal problems, mental problems at a stretch... how can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > exhaust. Dump that sh.t right out the tailpipe!! > Great weapon against those pesky tailgaters. You just disqualified yourself from the criminal coddler ranks. :) > Just out of curiosity, what sort of medical condition would prevent > you from wearing a seat belt? Recent surgery to the abdomen or torso? External medical appliance in those areas? Burn recovery? Buncha broken ribs or collarbone? Anyway, whether the original poster can talk his way out of *getting* a ticket depends on the cop. You might carry a copy of the appropriate statute or regulation to help make your side more persuasive. If the cop is in a bad mood, or the traffic division in his department is on a tear about seat belts (which in their defense is hardly the worst thing they could emphasize), or having pulled you over he just can't let it go without writing you up for *something*, then you'll get the ticket. If there is an official state form for this medical exemption, rather than just a note on your doctor's letterhead, then you should definitely use it. If all you have is a note, he has no way of knowing whether you just ginned it up on the computer yourself, and may not be able or willing to get on the phone and vet it himself at the side of the road. If the medical condition is something obvious and painful looking in a seat belt related part of the body, that might bolster your argument too. If you get the ticket anyway, a genuine medical exemption (again, be prepared to quote chapter and verse from the part of the vehicle code that allows such exemptions) should be a perfectly good defense in court, though blowing part of your day there (perhaps repeatedly) might not be amusing. Best of luck on your recovery (and try not to have accidents while doing it!), --Joe >Ravi <Raul.Fremont@gmail.com> said in ca.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >wearing a seat belt, I wouldn't drive. No sense getting dead over a >medical condition. Wouldn't _drive_? You couldn't even ride in a car - passengers are just as liable to get killed as the driver. Dave Head <rally2xs@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: >>If I had some sort of medical condition which prevented me from >>wearing a seat belt, I wouldn't drive. No sense getting dead over a >>medical condition. > >Wouldn't _drive_? You couldn't even ride in a car - passengers are just as >liable to get killed as the driver. Depends. For example, if I ride in the back of an ambulance, AFAIK I don't even have the option of wearing a seatbelt, yet I wouldn't refuse to ride in one if I needed to. SignatureMFFYCam Videos Galore: http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/ http://slothkills.blip.tv/ On Jul 21, 7:05 am, Scott en Aztl?n <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Dave Head <rally...@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > MFFYCam Videos Galore:http://www.geocities.com/mffycam/http://slothkills.blip.tv/ Not a seatbelt as such but as a patient you would be strapped to the gurney which is locked to the floor. Granted not very safe in a crash. Harry K > > Dave Head <rally...@att.net> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Harry K I believe there was a Jerry Lewis movie called the Disorderly Orderly where he's strapped onto a gurney in the back of an ambulance, and the door opens and he goes rolling down the hill into the bay. Could be misremembering, but I have this distinct memory of seeing that at the Loyola Theater in Westchester, at a Saturday matinee, free tickets from Marina Savings, mid-60's, theater full of screaming kids. Of course, seems like every TV show these days shows people sitting unbelted in the back of the ambulance, questioning the victim before she bleeds to death. jg -- @home.com is bogus. http://members.aol.com/hearseq/movies.htm |
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