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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / December 2007Video of California 58, near Santa Margarita
Hi Viatologists, Just a few moments ago, the Worldwide Highway Library was updated w/ this video of California State Route 58: http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/ca-58.wmv Footage includes a sleepy two-lane stretch on a sunny afternoon. This route is helpful for central California motorists en route to southern Nevada. The video's location is near Santa Margarita, and less than one kilometre from US Federal Route 101. Enjoy! Cheers, Carl Rogers "Adding human experience to transportology" ******** Calrog.com, http://www.calrog.com : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An integrated media arm in Turn-of-the-Century PC Development, International Transportation Research, and Interpersonal Psychology. Has served your home country and ninety-nine of its worldwide neighbours since 2000, through Internet downstream and published works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/calrog ******** > Hi Viatologists, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Carl Rogers A few years ago I had several occasions when I had to be in the Central Coast region of California. I drove to/from my Los Angeles area home via CA-166, CA-58, CA-41, and CA-46 (and I-5, of course). Of the four, CA-58 is the one that least deserves to be a state highway. It begins at a truly unimportant place, Santa Margarita; if CA-58 didn't begin there, the place might not even have a name. In a rare bit of Truth in Advertising, Caltrans warns truckers that this road is 'Not Advised'. The portion of road (Calf Canyon Hwy) from Santa Margarita to Wilson Corner (La Panza Road) is a narrow, winding road that should never have been designated a state highway. The next portion of road (Carrisa Hwy) is a pleasant enough road that provides access to the north end of the Carrizo Plain National Monument (which includes Soda Lake). Beyond the micro-town of Simmler, the highway includes a series of switchbacks and hairpin curves crossing from San Luis Obispo county to Kern county, then back to SLO before ending up in Kern county on its way to its intersection with CA-33 near the micro-town of McKittrick. CA-46 is the straightest and fastest, except for the lack of passing opportunities due to steady traffic. CA-41 slants the wrong way for me (in Los Angeles) but works fine for a Sacramento - San Luis Obispo journey. CA-166 is clearly my favorite of the four. There are very few areas where the Speed Limit 55 can't be driven safely or where the posted speed limit is less than 55. There are one or two places where you could stop for a bathroom break before CA-33 (I didn't find any on CA-58), and then a gas station or two in Maricopa at the northeast end of the 14-mile CA-166/CA-33 multiplex before the 22-mile straightaway to I-5. IMHO, San Luis Obispo, as the county seat and the most important city in SLO county, deserves more direct access to I-5 than CA-58 (9 miles north) or CA-166 (28 miles south). In my imaginary world, CA-223 (Bear Mountain Blvd) would be extended west across the moutains to eventually intersect with CA-227 just south of San Luis Obispo. ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > Of the four, CA-58 is the one that least deserves to be a state > highway. Well, it *does* serve one important purpose, connecting to I-40 and I-15 just outside Barstow. But then, I think they should just extend I-40 all the way to I-5.  SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol > ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just outside Barstow. But then, I think they should just extend I-40 all > the way to I-5. Yeah, but west of Bakersfield SignatureComrade Otto Yamamoto http://mryamamoto.50megs.com Decreasing the signal, increasing the NOISE! I'm in yr Milk making yr Young Ladies Breasts Bigger! > Well, it does serve one important purpose, connecting to I-40 and I-15 > just outside Barstow. But then, I think they should just extend I-40 all > the way to I-5. Yeah, but we're talking the section WEST of CA 33. Speakin of IH 40 west Fantasies czech: http://mryamamoto.50megs.com/fantasy/fantasy.htm SignatureComrade Otto Yamamoto http://mryamamoto.50megs.com Decreasing the signal, increasing the NOISE! I'm in yr Milk making yr Young Ladies Breasts Bigger! >>Of the four, CA-58 is the one that least deserves to be a state >>highway. >Well, it *does* serve one important purpose, connecting to I-40 and I-15 >just outside Barstow. But then, I think they should just extend I-40 all the >way to I-5. I think Larry is forgetting how US 466 was split up, also. CA 58 to Santa Margarita is not US 466, but CA 58 from Bakersfield to Barstow is. It really is as if the route had a artificially split personality. -- Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! ** ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ ** > ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA > -- I wasn't criticizing all of CA-58, just the portion west of CA-33. The portion from Bakersfield to Barstow (former US-466) is, of course, deserving of state highway status, and one day perhaps, Interstate status (I-40). The center section of CA-58 from CA-33 to CA-99 would not have been designated as a state highway except for the "need" to connect the western (US-101 to CA-33) section to the eastern section (CA-99 to I-15). > ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > just outside Barstow. But then, I think they should just extend I-40 all the > way to I-5. The highway does have a traffic signal between Bakersfield and Barstow. Michael >The highway does have a traffic signal between Bakersfield and >Barstow. Do you mean the US 395 junction? Easily bypassed -- except that there is quite a bit of community business clustered around that junction, so I bet the businesses would object strenuously. -- Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! ** ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ ** > >The highway does have a traffic signal between Bakersfield and > >Barstow. > > Do you mean the US 395 junction? Easily bypassed -- except that there is > quite a bit of community business clustered around that junction, so I bet > the businesses would object strenuously. Why bother bypassing it? Does ONE traffic signal on the route between Bakersfield and Las Vegas really slow things down a lot? Michael m.t.r added back since it's on topic there too. >>>The highway does have a traffic signal between Bakersfield and >>>Barstow. >>Do you mean the US 395 junction? Easily bypassed -- except that there is >>quite a bit of community business clustered around that junction, so I bet >>the businesses would object strenuously. >Why bother bypassing it? > Does ONE traffic signal on the route between Bakersfield and Las >Vegas really slow things down a lot? No, but we've had it mentioned at least a couple times that CA 58 should one day become an extension of I-40, so it would have to be bypassed then. As it is, the biggest bottleneck is just past the San Berdoo-Kern county line when it abruptly downgrades into one-lane-per-direction. Then you're stuck behind all the tractor-trailers for a good five or six miles to US 395 and a few miles past there until the expressway alignment. -- Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! ** ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ ** > m.t.r added back since it's on topic there too. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 395 > and a few miles past there until the expressway alignment. IIRC, there are no turn-lanes at the Kramer Junction (14/395 intersection). It once caused me a five minute delay en route to Las Vegas. Cheers, Carl Rogers "Adding human experience to transportology" ******** Calrog.com, Worldwide Highway Library: http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An integrated media arm in International Transportation Research. Has served your home country and ninety-nine of its worldwide neighbours since 2000, through Internet downstream and published works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ******** > "Carl Rogers" <postmaster@calrog.com> wrote > IIRC, there are no turn-lanes at the Kramer Junction (14/395 > intersection). It once caused me a five minute delay en route to Las > Vegas. There are some very short ones, but not meaningful. I saw CA-58 WB backed up for over ten miles one Sunday evening, probably with Vegas traffic. I had just passed Helendale Rd., so did a U-turn, and went down it (a 60mph graded dirt road) to the old US-66, as a way of beating the traffic. Kramer Junction isn't as generally horrible a choke point as downtown Mojave used to be. There, every weekday, the EB trucks lined up for a few miles waiting to turn left at the light. But it's a logical place for a bypass, continuing the piece of freeway that bypassed Boron. It wouldn't surprise me if they've already drawn the blueprints and acquired the ROW, and are just waiting for the actual construction to percolate to the top of the budgetary priority list. I drive the roads up there a lot (I was on CA-14, CA-178 and US-395 yesterday). Part of me looks forward to the day when we see I-40 extended to Bakersfield. On the other hand, I really don't like the anodyne personality of freeways. My preference would be just to have a grade separated interchange at Kramer Junction, with fourlaning the rest of the road, like they've been doing to CA-14 north of Mojave. I kind of like the little rarely-used side roads that connect to the highway. They give the road some character, and have virtually no impact on the flow of traffic. SignatureCiao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@ix.netcom.com >Kramer Junction isn't as generally horrible a choke point as downtown Mojave >used to be. There, every weekday, the EB trucks lined up for a few miles [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >waiting for the actual construction to percolate to the top of the budgetary >priority list. I imagine you're right, because the postmiles in that area (especially on the "switchback" to the old alignment) are marked Temporary. -- Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! ** ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ ** ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > IIRC, there are no turn-lanes at the Kramer Junction (14/395 intersection). Kramer Junction is 58/395. > It once caused me a five minute delay en route to Las Vegas. Five minutes? Wow. That's, like, forever. </sarcasm> SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol > ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > >> IIRC, there are no turn-lanes at the Kramer Junction (14/395 >> intersection). > > Kramer Junction is 58/395. Correct. Yet, for some reason, I do not care. >> It once caused me a five minute delay en route to Las Vegas. > > Five minutes? Wow. That's, like, forever. Yes, it was. Cheers, Carl Rogers "Adding human experience to transportology" ******** Calrog.com, Worldwide Highway Library: http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ An integrated media arm in International Transportation Research. Has served your home country and ninety-nine of its worldwide neighbours since 2000, through Internet downstream and published works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ******** >> ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Yes, it was. I'm sure any number of metro NYC drivers would trade that for the time spent in queuing up for the GWB or any of the tunnels on any given day. SignatureComrade Mister Otto the Duke of Yamamoto http://mryamamoto.50megs.com 'Giving Viatology a bad name since 1898!' ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] >> Kramer Junction is 58/395. > > Correct. Yet, for some reason, I do not care. Wow, and we wonder why so many people think Carl's an idiot. SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol >> ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Correct. Yet, for some reason, I do not care. Hmm... Let me try to translate that one: "f.ck you - you're a useless armchair quarterback." Did I get it right? :) ["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] >>> Kramer Junction is 58/395. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Did I get it right? :) I live not even an hour from the intersection in question, I know WTF I'm talking about, and I think that worries him. Seriously. Because he can't bullshit me. :) SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol >["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] Well, if you insist. :) >>>> Kramer Junction is 58/395. >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Because he can't bullshit me. :) The real problem (for him) is he's not able to bullshit *anyone* anymore - except maybe that new guy from China who doesn't know him very well yet.:) >>["Followup-To:" header set to ca.driving.] > > Well, if you insist. :) Stupid effin' newsreader. I can't figure out where to configure slrn to follow up to all groups by default. SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, CA PGP:0xE3AE35ED www.SteveSobol.com Geek-for-hire. Details: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stevesobol >Of the four, CA-58 is the one that least deserves to be a state >highway. It begins at a truly unimportant place, Santa Margarita; if >CA-58 didn't begin there, the place might not even have a name. Actually, it does serve a purpose (and is an old route, having been the original US 466). It provides state-maintained connectivity between US 101 and (former) US 66, now I-40, in the central region of the state. Yes, it is not up to current standards for high-speed travel, but not all state highways are. For a good example, look at Route 33 (former US 399), which is very windy... or even Route 23 (Decker Cyn Rd) between Westlake and Route 1. Daniel faigin -at cahighways -dot org Weblog: http://cahwyguy.livejournal.com/ Learn about Judaism: http://www.mljewish.org, http://www.scjfaq.org Explore California's Highways: http://www.cahighways.org/ Play more Games: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/ > >Of the four, CA-58 is the one that least deserves to be a state > >highway. It begins at a truly unimportant place, Santa Margarita; if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > good example, look at Route 33 (former US 399), which is very windy... or even > Route 23 (Decker Cyn Rd) between Westlake and Route 1. A long section of Route 33 in the Valley is a heavily trafficked route between Sacramento and Los Angeles. Michael >>For a >>good example, look at Route 33 (former US 399), which is very windy >A long section of Route 33 in the Valley is a heavily trafficked >route between Sacramento and Los Angeles. But none of that is old US 399. US 399 branches off from CA 33 along CA 119 in Taft to terminate near Bakersfield. -- Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! ** ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ ** > Hi Viatologists, > > Just a few moments ago, the Worldwide Highway Library was updated w/ this > video of California State Route 58: > > http://worldwide-hwys.calrog.com/ca-58.wmv I love it. His narration is so tedious and banal he cuts himself off in the editing process. And his frame rate is so bad it's hard to watch. You are such a tool! |
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