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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / December 2007

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Hybrid question

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The Man Behind The Curtain - 30 Dec 2007 09:35 GMT
I don't know how many people here have hybrids, but I'm thinking of
getting one (no, NOT a Prius!) and I have a question.

With a regular car, when you start the engine especially in the cold it
benefits from a moment of idyling and getting lubricated.  But, if I'm
understanding the hybrid concept correctly, when you start the car
you're on battery power till you get some speed going.  At which
point--again, if I understand the concept correctly--the engine will
kick in cold at some speed like 40mph or so.

Won't that damage the engine long-term, or at least give one a bit of a
sluggish and rough ride?

John

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Scott in SoCal - 30 Dec 2007 19:48 GMT
>I don't know how many people here have hybrids, but I'm thinking of
>getting one (no, NOT a Prius!)

Why not?

The Toyota salesman told me that the Civic Hybrid is "not a true
hybrid." Would a car salesman lie? :)

>With a regular car, when you start the engine especially in the cold it
>benefits from a moment of idyling and getting lubricated.  But, if I'm
>understanding the hybrid concept correctly, when you start the car
>you're on battery power till you get some speed going.  At which
>point--again, if I understand the concept correctly--the engine will
>kick in cold at some speed like 40mph or so.

It's pretty clear you haven't actually driven one.

If you floor it away from the stoplight, the engine will kick in
almost immediately to aid in acceleration. If you ease away slowly,
the engine will only kick on when the batteries need to be charged,
which can occur at pretty much any speed.
The Man Behind The Curtain - 31 Dec 2007 00:27 GMT
>> I don't know how many people here have hybrids, but I'm thinking of
>> getting one (no, NOT a Prius!)
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> The Toyota salesman told me that the Civic Hybrid is "not a true
> hybrid." Would a car salesman lie? :)

I'm not interested in either of those "stylingly challenged" cars.

> It's pretty clear you haven't actually driven one.

No, smartass I haven't.  Hence why I'm asking the question.

Geeze, stick to ripping on old men who drive over piers.

John

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Scott in SoCal - 31 Dec 2007 01:38 GMT
>>> I don't know how many people here have hybrids, but I'm thinking of
>>> getting one (no, NOT a Prius!)
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>
>No, smartass I haven't.  Hence why I'm asking the question.

Ooh, touchy touchy!
Kevin McMurtrie - 30 Dec 2007 20:36 GMT
> I don't know how many people here have hybrids, but I'm thinking of
> getting one (no, NOT a Prius!) and I have a question.
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>
> John

Thermal management is part of the system control.  You don't need to
worry about it.

Modern engines don't run rough when cold anyways.  A combination of
precision machining and adaptive computer algorithms keeps them running
correctly at any temperature.  The only difference is that the A/T
computer maintains a narrower RPM range at cold temperatures to avoid
problems with high oil viscosity and thermal stress.

One scary thing about hybrids:  I owned a 2005 Accord Hybrid for a
little while.  It was such a rare car that dealership mechanics needed
to be on the phone with Honda's tech support while working on it.  The
car eventually had to be bought back under the CA lemon law.  If you buy
a Hybrid, make sure a dealership in your area is competent to fix it.  
The advantage of a Prius is that it is more familiar to mechanics.
Cameron Kaiser - 31 Dec 2007 16:12 GMT
>One scary thing about hybrids:  I owned a 2005 Accord Hybrid for a
>little while.  It was such a rare car that dealership mechanics needed
>to be on the phone with Honda's tech support while working on it.

This is another reason why I'll still be buying high-efficiency gas engines
rather than hybrids for awhile. If I'm out in "nowhere" and have to bring it
in to Bubba's No Garage Ennywheres Else, I'd rather have something he might
be able to get running or even fix without scratching his head too much.

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