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I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) While I wait for it to arrive, I'm considering my options for how to mount it, and also how to shield it from unwanted tracking activirt when it's not needed to pay tolls. I don't want to use the obnoxious velcro strips to hold it to the windshield. I kinda like this little mesh bag to hang it from the rear-view mirror: http://www.meshproducts.net/eztoll/ However, I have heard that the CHP will ticket you if the transponder is not "properly mounted" - even if the transponder beeps and the toll is correctly registered and paid. Maybe something like this: http://www.autobarn.net/facltopaho.html And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the transponder from being read? > I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.meshproducts.net/eztoll/ If you had any sense you'd get a friction pad and lay them both on the dash. If you could drive, they'd stay put. > However, I have heard that the CHP will ticket you if the transponder > is not "properly mounted" - even if the transponder beeps and the toll > is correctly registered and paid. Sure. You probably didn't bother to check CA code, did you? > And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the > transponder from being read? Why not just adapt one from a few of your older hats? ----- - gpsman > I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) Welcome to the dark side. It's so much faster, but I still worry about hitting multiple toll booths in less time than I should have. > While I wait for it to arrive, I'm considering my options for how to > mount it, and also how to shield it from unwanted tracking activirt [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.meshproducts.net/eztoll/ That's in interesting solution, but it's still only a half step above the Velcro straps if you leave it up there. > However, I have heard that the CHP will ticket you if the transponder > is not "properly mounted" - even if the transponder beeps and the toll [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.autobarn.net/facltopaho.html I like that a lot more, because it would be easier to put up and take down while driving, so it's only there approaching and going through the toll booth. Do you know anyone who's been ticketed for improper use? I've "heard" that NH & MA will too, but I've never seen it in practice. I've had one in the driver door storage compartment for years, and never had an issue. I've had many a cop watch me drive through one-handed, with my shifting hand holding the pass to the windshield right below or beside the inspection sticker. My buddy drives around for a living and does the same thing, and he's never had an issue either. > And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the > transponder from being read? Mine doesn't read unless it's near the windshield. Just being behind the firewall and door in that door compartment is enough. Yes, I've tested this. Multiple times. That said, if you want a pouch what about the bags video cards come in? >> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > >Welcome to the dark side. It's so much faster, but I still worry >about hitting multiple toll booths in less time than I should have. Hopefully I won't be involved in any divorce cases, either. :) >> Maybe something like this: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >down while driving, so it's only there approaching and going through >the toll booth. I do, too. And it's cheaper. >Do you know anyone who's been ticketed for improper use? Not personally, but I have read an occasional report in the local paper. >> And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the >> transponder from being read? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >tested this. Multiple times. That said, if you want a pouch what >about the bags video cards come in? Has anyone verified that those will work?  Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >> Maybe something like this: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >down while driving, so it's only there approaching and going through >the toll booth. It's illegal to mount anything to the windshield in California and Minnesota using suction cups: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080106163707AAQwbYG&show=7 > It's illegal to mount anything to the windshield in California and Minnesota > using suction cups: > > http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080106163707AAQwbYG&show=7 <spit take> Division 12, Chapter 4, Section 26708 Material Obstructing or Reducing Driver's View (b) This section does not apply to any of the following: (B) The capability for electronic toll and traffic management on public or private roads or facilities. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm ----- - gpsman >> It's illegal to mount anything to the windshield in California and Minnesota >> using suction cups: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >- gpsman Now, that's not the section that deals with mounting things on the windshield via suction cups, is it? Find the words "suction cups" in it? Neither did I. According to this, you can't mount your gps/radar detector/whatever with velcro, glue, static electricity, or whatever AT ALL if you're mounting it to the glass. Idiots. Anyway, go find me the section of the code that has to do with mounting things with suction cups. Has to be there - Garmin singled out "suction cups" and California and Minnesota specifically. >>> It's illegal to mount anything to the windshield in California and Minnesota >>> using suction cups: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >velcro, glue, static electricity, or whatever AT ALL if you're mounting it to >the glass. Radar detectors are allowed with a little creative lawyering: (11) An electronic communication device affixed to the center uppermost portion of the interior of a windshield within an area that is not greater than 5 inches square, if the device provides either of the following: (A) The capability for enforcement facilities of the Department of the California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped with the device. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >>According to this, you can't mount your gps/radar detector/whatever with >>velcro, glue, static electricity, or whatever AT ALL if you're mounting it to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >California Highway Patrol to communicate with a vehicle equipped with >the device. LOL!! I wonder if anyone has ever tried that in court? Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >Anyway, go find me the section of the code that has to do with mounting things >with suction cups. Has to be there - Garmin singled out "suction cups" and >California and Minnesota specifically. That's some pretty interesting logic there, Dave. Garmin specifically mentions suction cups because that's what their GPS receiver mounts typically ship with. That's certainly the case with my GPS18. CA law, however, does not specifically mention suction cups; CVC 26708 applies equally to all methods of attachment. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >>Anyway, go find me the section of the code that has to do with mounting things >>with suction cups. Has to be there - Garmin singled out "suction cups" and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >with my GPS18. CA law, however, does not specifically mention suction >cups; CVC 26708 applies equally to all methods of attachment. Its not the singling out of suction cups by Garmin that is significant, it is the singling out of California and Wisconsin. There's lots of places with the "obstruction of vision" nonsense that is so vaguely worded that you technically can't mount the GPS on the glass either... but they put "suction cups" and "California and Wisconsin" together. All these laws are just dodges to get around the 4th amendment, anyway - so the police can stop anyone they want because there are so many obscure laws that it's virtually impossible to know and obey them all. In Virginia, ANYTHING hanging from the rear view mirror is used to stop people that the cops actually want to search for drugs. Guy on a grand jury I heard about voted no each time the cops came up with that lame excuse. >>>Anyway, go find me the section of the code that has to do with mounting things >>>with suction cups. Has to be there - Garmin singled out "suction cups" and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Its not the singling out of suction cups by Garmin that is significant, it is >the singling out of California and Wisconsin. Minnesota, not Wisconsin. >There's lots of places with the >"obstruction of vision" nonsense that is so vaguely worded that you technically >can't mount the GPS on the glass either... but they put "suction cups" and >"California and Wisconsin" together. No, they put California, Minnesota, and attaching-things-like-GPS-receivers-to-your-windshield-is-illegal together. Your inference that the only objection is to things that are attached via the specific method of suction cups is an incorrect interpretation of what Garmin is saying. In fact, if you read their web site, Garmin specifically refers to CVC 26708a; here's an example: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=1368 In this case, they mention suction cup mounts because the product being described on the page is a suction cup mount. If the product being described had been an adhesive mount, or a velcro-strip mount, then they would have used those words. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >>> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >>> Maybe something like this: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080106163707AAQwbYG&show=7 "Anything" isn't quite correct. CA law specifically allows toll transponders to be attached to the windshield: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >http://www.meshproducts.net/eztoll/ swinging from the mirror.... wtf? that would be annoying. Not to mention not good for mirrors glued to the window. >However, I have heard that the CHP will ticket you if the transponder >is not "properly mounted" - even if the transponder beeps and the toll >is correctly registered and paid. Wonderful revenue gathering / police state nannyism there... >Maybe something like this: > >http://www.autobarn.net/facltopaho.html > >And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the >transponder from being read? I made my own holder for the IPass transponder with some 3M adhesive film and a suction cup mount from misc junk. I think it was from one of my dad's old and probably dead radar detectors. There's a better clip thing for the IPass... it's a clear plastic housing that IPASS slips into. I just throw the IPASS in the glove box, I figure its difficult to pick up any signal from in there. Could be wrong. Maybe I should craft up a lead box ? :) >>I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > up any signal from in there. Could be wrong. Maybe I should craft up a > lead box ? :) GPS blockers may be obtained from the same sources as cell blockers. Law enforcement hates them but can't do anything about them. >>I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >swinging from the mirror.... wtf? Not swinging. You pull the drawstring taut and then slide the little plastic bead to take up the slack. Once installed it doesn't swing, and it's trivial to remove from the car when you leave (so it doesn't get stolen). >>However, I have heard that the CHP will ticket you if the transponder >>is not "properly mounted" - even if the transponder beeps and the toll >>is correctly registered and paid. > >Wonderful revenue gathering / police state nannyism there... No sh.t. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >>>I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >and it's trivial to remove from the car when you leave (so it doesn't >get stolen). It will swing. A mere spring compression and single point mount. It will swing and loosen. >I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) Ah,yessss.... Fresh meat! BBBWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAHA!!!! Sincerely, The New World Order ;) >While I wait for it to arrive, I'm considering my options for how to >mount it, and also how to shield it from unwanted tracking activirt [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >http://www.autobarn.net/facltopaho.html Intetesting products. That mesh bag looks like something I might look into. The glue on those velcro strips tends not to last too long in the heat and humidity of my area.... >And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the >transponder from being read? Dunno about FasTrak, but my Sunpass shipped with one. -- For the benefit of the nsa, cia and other goon squadss: suitcase nuke mall cleveland allah comes alive at midnight george w bush antichrist incompetent boob warmonger anthrax ebola ecoli ecommerce etrade emortgage ebankrupt 911 inside job patriot act hates freedom wtc pulled fifty nine million americans dumb texas mexico return >However, I have heard that the CHP will ticket you if the transponder >is not "properly mounted" - even if the transponder beeps and the toll >is correctly registered and paid. Perhaps that is if you mount it on the windshield in other than the designated places (placing anything on the windshield other than in small designated places has been illegal since long before FasTrak). If you drive through a FasTrak tollbooth and the transponder is not read, it will take a picture of your vehicle's license plate. If the plate number is registered with your FasTrak account, a toll is deducted from your FasTrak account. If not, a citation is mailed. >And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the >transponder from being read? They send them to you (or they used to). They look a lot like the bags that computer equipment comes wrapped in. Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. > I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.autobarn.net/facltopaho.html Why not just glue some suction cups to the little bastard? > And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the > transponder from being read? I think they're just regular static bags like electronic components are shipped in, I've probably got a few collecting dust bunnies under my desk. Wait for an authoritative opinion, however... nate On Mar 14, 10:37 am, Scott in SoCal <scottenazt...@yahoo.com> wrote: > I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > windshield. I kinda like this little mesh bag to hang it from the > rear-view mirror: I got one of these for my GPS and it works great. Don't know if the Vette has vents that would work with this though. http://www.gpscheap.com/pc-8846-181-arkon-gn047-removable-swivel-air-vent-mount- for-garmin-nuvi-and-garmin-streetpilot.aspx If they don't make one that fits the transponder you could cut off the ball lever leaving a flush plate and velcro it to the transponder. Isn't hanging *anything* from the mirror illegal in Calif? Alan >Isn't hanging *anything* from the mirror illegal in Calif? Not that I know of. It is illegal to attach anything to your windshield (EXCEPT a toll transponder, amazingly enough), but offhand I know of no such restrictions on the RV mirror. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >Isn't hanging *anything* from the mirror illegal in Calif? I think the law is against anything obstructing the view through the windshield, with certain specific exceptions. However, I drive with my GPS on the windshield all the time around CHP and it doesn't seem to be particularly strongly enforced. -- Cameron Kaiser * ckaiser@floodgap.com * posting with a Commodore 128 personal page: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ ** Computer Workshops: games, productivity software and more for C64/128! ** ** http://www.armory.com/%7Espectre/cwi/ ** >>Isn't hanging *anything* from the mirror illegal in Calif? > >I think the law is against anything obstructing the view through the >windshield, with certain specific exceptions. However, I drive with my >GPS on the windshield all the time around CHP and it doesn't seem to >be particularly strongly enforced. I bet if you were to put a radar detector in the same spot you'd find yourself attracting a lot more attention. I wonder if the legislators had RDs in mind when they drafted the law? Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >> I think the law is against anything obstructing the view through the >> windshield, with certain specific exceptions. However, I drive with my >> GPS on the windshield all the time around CHP and it doesn't seem to >> be particularly strongly enforced. > I bet if you were to put a radar detector in the same spot you'd find > yourself attracting a lot more attention. I wonder if the legislators > had RDs in mind when they drafted the law? I don't understand why someone would bother mounting a RD with suction cups. I've always used a visor clip for my RD. >>> I think the law is against anything obstructing the view through the >>> windshield, with certain specific exceptions. However, I drive with [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't understand why someone would bother mounting a RD with suction > cups. I've always used a visor clip for my RD. Two reasons I don't - old German sun visors are often crispy and delicate, and I don't want to hasten their inevitable demise and costly replacement. Also if you're driving westbound in the afternoon, a visor clip means you can't use the visor. nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >> I don't understand why someone would bother mounting a RD with suction >> cups. I've always used a visor clip for my RD. > Two reasons I don't - > > old German sun visors are often crispy and delicate, and I don't want to > hasten their inevitable demise and costly replacement. The ones in my Audi are quite sturdy (it's MY2000, so it's not *that* old yet). > Also if you're driving westbound in the afternoon, a visor clip means > you can't use the visor. I keep mine on the passenger side visor. >>> I don't understand why someone would bother mounting a RD with >>> suction cups. I've always used a visor clip for my RD. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The ones in my Audi are quite sturdy (it's MY2000, so it's not *that* > old yet). Hell, that's a NEW car! (over a decade newer than mine, anyway...) >> Also if you're driving westbound in the afternoon, a visor clip means >> you can't use the visor. > > I keep mine on the passenger side visor. Even so, there are times I want to use it... nate Signaturereplace "roosters" with "cox" to reply. http://members.cox.net/njnagel >Why not just glue some suction cups to the little bastard? Because I don't want to pay $30 for a "damaged" transponder. :) Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >>Why not just glue some suction cups to the little bastard? > >Because I don't want to pay $30 for a "damaged" transponder. :) Before I perfected my home made mounting mine took a few falls... it's basically a potted electronric brick. If it's going to break it isn't going to be the fall from the window to the floor boards. >I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > windshield. I kinda like this little mesh bag to hang it from the > rear-view mirror: Just something to FU your rear view mirror by handling everyday in the long run. > http://www.meshproducts.net/eztoll/ > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > And where can I get the little foil pouches that prevent the > transponder from being read? > I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > > While I wait for it to arrive, I'm considering my options for how to > mount it, and also how to shield it from unwanted tracking activirt > when it's not needed to pay tolls. Wait for it to arrive? What, you didn't buy yours at Costco? Costco is selling the California FasTrak transponder for $24.99 and it comes with $30.50 worth of toll credits. And if you register your Costco bought FasTrak transponder using your American Express Card, you'll get an additional $5.00 worth of credits for a total of $35.50 worth of credits for the sale price of $24.99 (no sales tax is charge because you're just "leasing" the transponder). BTW, I mounted my FastTrak transponder (using the supplied velcro straps) on the windshield in front of the rear view mirror in such a way that the rear view mirror blocks my view of the transponder, so I don't see the ugly looking transponder while I'm driving (nor does it obscure any of my view). Of course, the rear view mirror doesn't block the front passenger from seeing it. - Peter >> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Wait for it to arrive? What, you didn't buy yours at Costco? I'm not a member of Costco. >Costco is selling the California FasTrak transponder for $24.99 and it >comes with $30.50 worth of toll credits. And if you register your Costco >bought FasTrak transponder using your American Express Card, you'll get >an additional $5.00 worth of credits for a total of $35.50 worth of >credits for the sale price of $24.99 (no sales tax is charge because >you're just "leasing" the transponder). Unfortunately, a Costco membership would cost me far more than the $10.51 I would save. :) >BTW, I mounted my FastTrak transponder (using the supplied velcro >straps) on the windshield in front of the rear view mirror in such a way >that the rear view mirror blocks my view of the transponder, so I don't >see the ugly looking transponder while I'm driving (nor does it obscure >any of my view). Of course, the rear view mirror doesn't block the front >passenger from seeing it. That's not really an option for me. There is a big black rain sensor box glued to the windshield in that position, plus a bunch of black vinyl dots on the inside surface of the glass that extend quite a ways down from the tinting strip. The instructions that came with the transponder (which arrived today) state very explicitly that it must be mounted between 1-1/2" and 1-3/4" from the top edge of the windshield glass. The rain sensor prevents me from doing that, so I have to mount it in one of the lower corners (that is, if I want to be CVC compliant and not give the CHP a trumped-up reason to pull me over). Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong >>> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I'm not a member of Costco. You should be. They used to allow you to share a membership with a friend, but now the friend has to be a domestic partner or relative sharing your address. The muffins alone are worth the price of admission! >>Costco is selling the California FasTrak transponder for $24.99 and it >>comes with $30.50 worth of toll credits. And if you register your Costco [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Unfortunately, a Costco membership would cost me far more than the > $10.51 I would save. :) If you have a friend with a membership, (s)he can give (well, sell, really) you a gift card which you can use even if you're not a member. You can't put it on your Amex card, of course. Maybe you and your friend can work out some sort of a deal. >>BTW, I mounted my FastTrak transponder (using the supplied velcro >>straps) on the windshield in front of the rear view mirror in such a way >>that the rear view mirror blocks my view of the transponder, so I don't >>see the ugly looking transponder while I'm driving (nor does it obscure >>any of my view). Of course, the rear view mirror doesn't block the front >>passenger from seeing it. Hey, when the passenger pays for your car (s)he can choose where to mount the transponder. SignatureCheers, Bev =============================================== Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts! > I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I don't want to use the obnoxious velcro strips to hold it to the > windshield. WHAT "unwanted tracking activirt"? Not a little paranoid, are we? You can use the Super Mondo Velcro stuff (actually, not Velcro®, but a 3M® product, with identical sides populated with studs the size of a small mushroom) and the adhesive will not come off from mere heat. For all of your whining and evading of simple obvious solutions, I would think that you'd be a lot happier carrying a shitload of quarters around ... -- C.R. Krieger (Whose IPasses are MONDO-Velcro'd behind my mirrors and Sharpie'd black so they don't look obnoxious.) >> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >WHAT "unwanted tracking activirt"? Not a little paranoid, are we? Yesterday's tin foil hat is today's mainstream news. For instance: http://digg.com/educational/Fox_News_FBI_can_eavesdrop_even_when_your_phone_is_t urned_off http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G1fNjK9SXg http://www.news.com/2100-1029_3-6140191.html >> I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >WHAT "unwanted tracking activity"? Not a little paranoid, are we? http://traffic.511.org/privacy.asp MTC is deploying a data collection system based on the anonymous use of FasTrak toll tags to provide better information about the transportation network to Bay Area travelers, transportation managers, and transportation planners. http://fastrak.sandag.org/faq.html#anchor133939 Q: Why would I need a silver static bag when traveling through the I-15 Express Lanes? Carpools travel in the Express Lanes for free. FasTrak antennas are equipped over all Express Lanes. Placing your transponder in the silver static bag will prevent the FasTrak system from deducting a toll from your account when you travel as a carpool. >You can use the Super Mondo Velcro stuff (actually, not Velcro®, but a >3M® product, with identical sides populated with studs the size of a >small mushroom) and the adhesive will not come off from mere heat. The adhesive coming off is not the issue. I don't want the gooey adhesive crap on my glass in the first place. >For all of your whining and evading of simple obvious solutions, I >would think that you'd be a lot happier carrying a shitload of >quarters around ... You know, I used to like you, but lately you've really been making snippy comments like the above and in general being a real dick. It's totally uncalled for and I don't appreciate it. Signature"Dave's not here, man!" - Tommy Chong <snip> > You can use the Super Mondo Velcro stuff (actually, not Velcro®, but a > 3M® product, with identical sides populated with studs the size of a > small mushroom) and the adhesive will not come off from mere heat. Does anyone know what that stuff is called? That's what came with my EZPass, and I would really like more of it for random projects. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Does anyone know what that stuff is called? That's what came with my > EZPass, and I would really like more of it for random projects. 3M Dual Lock: http://www.itapestore.com/index.asp?PageAction=Custom&ID=19 Signature~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) > Around 3/19/2008 6:51 AM, DanK...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." > --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) Awesome, thanks! This came up a while back on a slower group, forget which one now, and nobody had an answer. That'll be handy. ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Does anyone know what that stuff is called? That's what came with my >EZPass, and I would really like more of it for random projects. 3M Dual Lock. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >I signed up for a FasTrak transponder. :) So I got my FasTrak and I got my FastClip: http://img109.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/27/front-49yzb9cr9.jpeg http://img801.mytextgraphics.com/photolava/2008/03/27/back-49yzbn8kl.jpeg I immediately noticed a flaw in the design: the transponder doesn't stick out from the clip in a way that makes it easy to get a grip on it when you want to remove the transponder from the clip. When the clip is attached to the windshield, there isn't enough room to get a finger between the transponder and the glass, and, because the sides of the clip are asymmetrical, you can't grab it by the edges very easily, either. I may end up taping/gluing a small loop of string to one edge of the transponder to give me something to grab onto in order to pull it out. Other than that I'm pretty happy with the FastClip. 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