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larry_scholnick@yahoo.com - 13 May 2008 14:55 GMT
A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
Altamont Pass, he asked how high it was. When I answered that it was
about 1,000 feet (1,009 per Wikipedia) he just laughed.  "A real Pass
is like Loveland Pass at almost 12,000 feet" (11,990 per Wikipedia).

So, is there any other marked Pass with a lower elevation?  I include
the qualifier "Marked" so  as to exclude Cahuenga Pass (745 per
Wikipedia) in the L.A. area which may be lower, but doesn't have a
sign identifying it as a Pass.
Laurence Sheldon - 13 May 2008 15:04 GMT
> A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
> Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
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> Wikipedia) in the L.A. area which may be lower, but doesn't have a
> sign identifying it as a Pass.

Is Sepulveda "Marked"?  It would be about the same as Cahenga, I would
think.

How about Banning?
larry_scholnick@yahoo.com - 13 May 2008 20:18 GMT
> larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
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> How about Banning?

Banning Pass, also known as San Gorgonio Pass, is listed in Wikipedia
at 2,600 feet.  Sepulveda Pass, which I haven't seen marked on my
daily I-405 commute, is listed at 1,130 Feet.

On the GAP question, let's consider them, but separately.

Lowest marked Gap and lowest marked Pass.
Gary E. Ansok - 13 May 2008 20:46 GMT
>> larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
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>at 2,600 feet.  Sepulveda Pass, which I haven't seen marked on my
>daily I-405 commute, is listed at 1,130 Feet.

Gaviota Pass (on US 101) can't be more than 200 feet, but it's not
marked with an elevation.

Altamont is the lowest marked that I've seen, though I've come
across several others in the 1000-2000 foot range.

It would be amusing to find something in Death Valley that could be
called a "pass".  There's a Jubilee Pass on the western edge, but
it apparently tops out around 1300 feet.

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Paul D. DeRocco - 14 May 2008 07:39 GMT
> "Gary E. Ansok" <ansok@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote
>
> Gaviota Pass (on US 101) can't be more than 200 feet, but it's not
> marked with an elevation.

US-101 rises to over 900 feet northbound before it begins to descend.

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Gary E. Ansok - 14 May 2008 14:59 GMT
>> "Gary E. Ansok" <ansok@alumni.caltech.edu> wrote
>>
>> Gaviota Pass (on US 101) can't be more than 200 feet, but it's not
>> marked with an elevation.
>
>US-101 rises to over 900 feet northbound before it begins to descend.

Well, what is referred to as "Gaviota Pass" is the notch in the
mountains where the tunnel is.  That said, though, 101 does come
out of there up what I usually hear called "Nojoqui Grade", which
is higher.  Whether you consider it a single point or two separate
ones is arguable.  But the elevation isn't marked at either, so it
doesn't qualify for the original poster's request.

Gary
My Land of Misery - 13 May 2008 23:08 GMT
On May 13, 2:18 pm, larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:

> > larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
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> - Show quoted text -

About 13 years ago I drove through Picaho Pass on I-10 in southern
Arizona.  It's 1,800 feet, shown on maps but not signed on the road.
Ron's Inspector's Inspector - 13 May 2008 15:10 GMT
> A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
> Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
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> Wikipedia) in the L.A. area which may be lower, but doesn't have a
> sign identifying it as a Pass.

How about the last one Brett Favre threw against the Giants?
H.B. Elkins - 13 May 2008 16:46 GMT
>A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
>Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Wikipedia) in the L.A. area which may be lower, but doesn't have a
>sign identifying it as a Pass.

Here in the Appalachians, we tend to refer to them as "gaps" rather than
"passes."

(See Cumberland Gap, Newfound Gap, Sams Gap, etc.)

Do you want to count those?

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Premier Bush - 13 May 2008 21:42 GMT
>> A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
>> Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
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>
> Do you want to count those?

We have lots of "gaps" in the Ouachitas.
PAD - 13 May 2008 23:10 GMT
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>>    
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>
> We have lots of "gaps" in the Ouachitas.

Please excuse my ignorance... how do you pronounce Ouachita(s)?

Danke,
Pete
My Land of Misery - 14 May 2008 00:33 GMT
> >> On Tue, 13 May 2008 06:55:03 -0700 (PDT), larry_scholn...@yahoo.com
> >> wrote:
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Ever hear someone sneeze?  That's fairly close.  :^P
Premier Bush - 14 May 2008 02:52 GMT
>>>> A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
>>>> Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area
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>
> Please excuse my ignorance... how do you pronounce Ouachita(s)?

The "official" pronounciation is "wa-shi-ta" but most locals say
"ah-wash-i-ta".
Schrödinger's Cat Surprise! Jazz Band - 14 May 2008 04:11 GMT
> The "official" pronounciation is "wa-shi-ta" but most locals say
> "ah-wash-i-ta".

Gesundheit!

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Premier Bush - 14 May 2008 08:03 GMT
>> The "official" pronounciation is "wa-shi-ta" but most locals say
>> "ah-wash-i-ta".
>
> Gesundheit!

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PAD - 14 May 2008 19:26 GMT
>  
>> Please excuse my ignorance... how do you pronounce Ouachita(s)?
>>    
>
> The "official" pronounciation is "wa-shi-ta" but most locals say
> "ah-wash-i-ta".

Ah Ha!  So it's phonetic, kind of like Ouija ;-)

Pete
Scott M. Kozel - 13 May 2008 22:56 GMT
> >A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
> >Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
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>
> Do you want to count those?

Swift Run Gap carries US-33, Thornton Gap carries US-211, Thoroughfare
Gap carries I-66.  Swift Run Gap and Thornton Gap have elevations over
1,500 feet, but Thoroughfare Gap is around 300 feet.

I-64 over Afton Mountain is not a 'gap', it is a 'summit.

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Michael G. Koerner - 13 May 2008 17:14 GMT
> A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
> Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Wikipedia) in the L.A. area which may be lower, but doesn't have a
> sign identifying it as a Pass.

Isn't there one marked on I-75 in northern Florida?

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Alex Tsiatas - 14 May 2008 18:01 GMT
On May 13, 9:55 am, larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:
> A few years ago I was driving across country with a friend from
> Colorado.  When I mentioned that our route into the Bay Area included
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Wikipedia) in the L.A. area which may be lower, but doesn't have a
> sign identifying it as a Pass.

http://www.terragalleria.com/parks/np-image.ever2036.html
In the Everglades.
Paul D. DeRocco - 15 May 2008 02:41 GMT
> "Alex Tsiatas" <atsiatas@gmail.com> wrote
>
> http://www.terragalleria.com/parks/np-image.ever2036.html
> In the Everglades.

Well, unless there's a pass in Death Valley or the Salton Sea (and there
isn't), that puts an end to this thread.

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larry_scholnick@yahoo.com - 15 May 2008 10:14 GMT
> On May 13, 9:55 am, larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
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> http://www.terragalleria.com/parks/np-image.ever2036.html
> In the Everglades.

And the winner is - Rock Reef Pass - Elevation 3 Feet (0.9 meter)!
Andrew Tompkins - 15 May 2008 20:52 GMT
>> On May 13, 9:55 am, larry_scholn...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
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>
> And the winner is - Rock Reef Pass - Elevation 3 Feet (0.9 meter)!

What about Deception Pass, the road access to Whidbey Island, WA?  I
don't know what the actual pass elevation is since I don't know what the
water depth measurements shown are.

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mapguy@geocities.com - 15 May 2008 22:20 GMT
> What about Deception Pass, the road access to Whidbey Island, WA?  I
> don't know what the actual pass elevation is since I don't know what the
> water depth measurements shown are.

This is a different kind of "pass".  A body of water identified by the
term "pass" refers to a navigable passage.  In this specific instance,
Deception Pass is the strait connecting Skagit Bay to the Strait of
Juan de Fuca.  The road you refer to is actually the Deception Pass
Bridge.
Andrew Tompkins - 16 May 2008 22:16 GMT
>> What about Deception Pass, the road access to Whidbey Island, WA?  I
>> don't know what the actual pass elevation is since I don't know what the
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> Juan de Fuca.  The road you refer to is actually the Deception Pass
> Bridge.

So?  It still has the same saddle shape.  I don't see that the fact that
it is underwater and that the road passes from peak to peak instead of
low spot to low spot really makes that much difference when talking
about passes.  Especially when we are also talking about something on a
ridge 3 ft high where the road may actually be the highest thing for miles.

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