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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / March 2005

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Illegal 3-Point U-Turns in Alameda

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redleg - 21 Mar 2005 18:26 GMT
I suppose this makes sense, but how often do cops give tickets for it?

In Alameda,CA, the police have been known to give tickets for drivers
making 3-point U-turns in a driveway in commericial zones.
OK, a U-Turn is illegal, but a 3-pt turn?  The reason is....the car
must violate private property to execute the turn.  But is it a moving
violation or trespassing?
Arthur L. Rubin - 22 Mar 2005 15:31 GMT
> I suppose this makes sense, but how often do cops give tickets for it?
>
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> must violate private property to execute the turn.  But is it a moving
> violation or trespassing?

It may be the rarely used law about using private property
to bypass traffic -- the same as it being illegal to drive through
a corner gas station to bypass a blocked right-turn lane.

Another possibility is that the left turn into the driveway
is illegal.  Is there a double-solid line?
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Scott en Aztlán - 22 Mar 2005 15:51 GMT
>Another possibility is that the left turn into the driveway
>is illegal.  Is there a double-solid line?

Since when it is illegal to make a left turn across a double solid
yellow line in CA?

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Arthur L. Rubin - 22 Mar 2005 16:30 GMT
> >Another possibility is that the left turn into the driveway
> >is illegal.  Is there a double-solid line?
>
> Since when it is illegal to make a left turn across a double solid
> yellow line in CA?

In a commercial district?  Into a driveway?  Well, maybe.

A number of cities have stated it is illegal to make a U
turn into an angled street parking space.  I don't know
whether it IS illegal.

We may also have an FUD ticket here -- enough people will
believe the ticket is valid, and pay it, to cover the
costs of the lawsuit against the city when it is discovered
that the tickets are invalid.

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redleg - 23 Mar 2005 08:50 GMT
> > >Another possibility is that the left turn into the driveway
> > >is illegal.  Is there a double-solid line?
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> costs of the lawsuit against the city when it is discovered
> that the tickets are invalid.

I heard thats a ticket in San Francisco.  I think its the Clement area.
They have those angle parking slots.  You can't make a U-Turn in a
commerical zone. So people think they can make a left turn into a
parking slot, but are actaully making a U-Turn and going in the
opposite direction.
redleg - 23 Mar 2005 08:52 GMT
> >Another possibility is that the left turn into the driveway
> >is illegal.  Is there a double-solid line?
>
> Since when it is illegal to make a left turn across a double solid
> yellow line in CA?

Its not....the big deal is using a private driveway to complete a
turn-around.  I just wanted to know if this is enforced anywhere else.
John David Galt - 29 Mar 2005 00:57 GMT
> I suppose this makes sense, but how often do cops give tickets for it?
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> must violate private property to execute the turn.  But is it a moving
> violation or trespassing?

If there's a NO U-TURN sign, it's "using private property to evade a
traffic control device."  Otherwise there is no violation unless the
property owner objects.
 
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