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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / July 2005Question w/ Win2K (file-organisation)
Hi All, Over the past five years, I've been happily running Win2K Pro as OS of choice. So far so good--but I'm am annoyed w/ one strange flaw. When files/folders are arranged "by name", the OS does not list numerals sequentially. E.g., let's say I have four files: "nv-20.jpg", "nv-28.jpg", "nv-207.jpg" and "nv-117.jpg". By default, Win2K organises these in the following sequence: nv-117.jpg nv-20.jpg nv-207.jpg nv-28.jpg ...The sequence I'd prefer (i.e., "correct behaviour model") is: nv-20.jpg nv-28.jpg nv-117.jpg nv-207.jpg Interestingly, WinXP seems to use the correct behaviour model, though I have no desire to use other OS(es) for my website development. (FYI, I have several machines running WinXP, Knoppix, Linux Mandrake 8.1 and/or OS X, all are/will be used for different purposes.) Is anyone aware of registry-hacks or third-party tools which can solve this Win2K problem? Since my image library contains 1,000+ images, a solution would speed up my search references. Any advice is appreciated, since I can't seem to find the right combination of keywords for Google or Yahoo search! Cheers, Carl Rogers ----------------- Calrog.com Highway-Shield page: http://hwy-shields.calrog.com Highway Enthusiast forum: http://forums.calrog.com > ...The sequence I'd prefer (i.e., "correct behaviour model") is: > > nv-20.jpg > nv-28.jpg > nv-117.jpg > nv-207.jpg Just rename the first two as nv-020 and nv-028 and you'll be all set. Thanks Gary; I'll try that out. > Thanks Gary; I'll try that out. Most OS's store filenames as an alphanumeric representation (ASCII, EBCDIC, etc). When sorting, the sort algorithm usually sorts based on the position of the numerals in the string, not the value of the number. If you use a similar filename structure for your files in a folder or directory, you can get the filenames to sort correctly on the numbers by using filenames with the same number of numerals in the same positions within each filename and applying leading zeroes when needed. I use this technique in my stripchart website (both for folder/directory names and filenames) to sort the files. Both highway names (I005-CA, I015-CA, I215-CA) and exit numbers for unique interchange diagram files (CA-003, CA-013, CA-113) get three digits. Looks like XP has a second sorting algorithm that changes numbers in a filename to a numerical representation for sorting. --Andy -------------------------------------------------- Andrew G. Tompkins Software Engineer Beaverton, OR http://home.comcast.net/~andytom/Highways -------------------------------------------------- Carl Rogers <carl-mtr@DELETETHIS.calrog.com> had written: | Hi All, | [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] | several machines running WinXP, Knoppix, Linux Mandrake 8.1 and/or OS X, all | are/will be used for different purposes.) Win2K appears to be using a standard ASCII collating order. Actually its behavior appears to be correct; the behavior you want isn't.  SignatureMark Roberts | "Society is returning to them the respect they deserve." Oakland, Cal.| -- Spain's prime minister José Luís Zapatero Rodríguez, NO HTML MAIL | on Spain's legalization of same-sex marriage Permission to archive this article in any form is hereby explicitly denied. Let's remember though, humans are not ASCII collators ;) Carl Rogers <carl-mtr@calrog.com> had written: | Let's remember though, humans are not ASCII collators ;) An understanding of the difference between a string comparison and a numeric comparison should help clarify the point. SignatureMark Roberts | "Society is returning to them the respect they deserve." Oakland, Cal.| -- Spain's prime minister José Luís Zapatero Rodríguez, NO HTML MAIL | on Spain's legalization of same-sex marriage Permission to archive this article in any form is hereby explicitly denied. > Carl Rogers <carl-mtr@calrog.com> had written: > | Let's remember though, humans are not ASCII collators ;) > > An understanding of the difference between a string comparison and > a numeric comparison should help clarify the point. Well, had this information been part of the OS handbook, then it would be widely understood. Criticising others for knowledge they do not have is purely an exploit for "superiority". Carl Rogers <carl-mtr@DELETETHIS.calrog.com> had written: | > Carl Rogers <carl-mtr@calrog.com> had written: | > | Let's remember though, humans are not ASCII collators ;) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | widely understood. Criticising others for knowledge they do not have is | purely an exploit for "superiority". Huh? If you want to stay ignorant, it's not my problem! SignatureMark Roberts | "Society is returning to them the respect they deserve." Oakland, Cal.| -- Spain's prime minister José Luís Zapatero Rodríguez, NO HTML MAIL | on Spain's legalization of same-sex marriage Permission to archive this article in any form is hereby explicitly denied. [Mr. Rogers:] > Is anyone aware of registry-hacks or third-party tools which can solve this > Win2K problem? Since my image library contains 1,000+ images, a solution > would speed up my search references. Any advice is appreciated, since I > can't seem to find the right combination of keywords for Google or Yahoo > search! As Mr. Roberts points out, Windows 2000 is sorting the files in correct A.S.C.I.I. order. You can force the sort you want by using a batch file renamer like 'CKRename' to insert zero fills. It has a "file mask" feature which allows you to isolate each group of filenames you want to change according to the number of digits in the "number" portion of each filename, so the process is very fast and minimizes the need to rename files individually. |
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