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Bicycles on the Orange Line

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Larry Scholnick - 14 Sep 2005 06:03 GMT
I was driving on one of the streets that crosses the Orange Line Busway
(Kester Ave in Van Nuys) and the newly-installed traffic light was red for
through traffic.

And who/what triggered the signal?  A bunch of bicycles.

What are the rules for HPT (Human Powered Transportation) on the Orange
Line?  If bikes are allowed, what about skates?

Are traffic signals triggered automagically, or by manual push-button?
Lee - 14 Sep 2005 19:45 GMT
> I was driving on one of the streets that crosses the Orange Line Busway
> (Kester Ave in Van Nuys) and the newly-installed traffic light was red for
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>
> Are traffic signals triggered automagically, or by manual push-button?

I can't answer the trigger question, but the path adjcent to the busway
is for pedestrains and bicycles.  However, until it is open, everyone
is forbidden from entering it.  The bicyclist in question will be cited
for trespassing.  They rode right by no trespassing signs at every
street.  The Sheriff's Department is patrolling it regularly with cars
and mounted posse.
mrpanitz - 17 Sep 2005 23:17 GMT
there is a lot of misinformation about this
the bikepath itself is open for bicycles the only thing closed is the
Busway is closed
to non metro traffic..
because people have been using the busyway itself
and Metro is testing the busway..with their buses..
Lee - 19 Sep 2005 19:57 GMT
You'd better to the Sheriff's Dept., their flyer says it is closed to
all traffic, busway or bike/ped path.  They have also added motorcycle
patrols to the cars and horses to enforce the no tresspassing
regualtions.

BTW, the crossings for bikes/peds are buttons on poles.
Lee - 21 Sep 2005 20:17 GMT
Here is the actual information:

Sunday, 09/18/05

Orange Line busway warning period is 'definitely over'
Deputies issuing citations, warning as opening day nears

Warning! Joggers, bicyclists, Rollerbladers and moms with strollers:
Stay off the Orange Line busway route, even if you don't see buses yet.

Anticipating increased practice runs of the 30-ton buses on Monday and
the start of service Oct. 29, sheriff's deputies have been issuing as
many as 100 warnings a day to trespassers on the 14-mile route.
Deputies
also have cited more than 100 drivers for traffic violations on or
around the path.

"In the interest of public safety, the warning period is definitely
over," said sheriff's Lt. Mike Parker, who heads up San Fernando Valley
transit police services.

Bus drivers will practice day and night along the entire line between
North Hollywood and Warner Center as Metropolitan Transportation
Authority officials gear up for the $330 million Orange Line's formal
opening.

Authorities urge drivers to start getting used to new intersections and
pay attention to all traffic signs - including no-turn arrows, "Keep
Clear" zones and flashing signs that announce a bus is coming.

The Orange Line, unlike a train line, does not have crossing gates to
halt motorists. Instead, many traffic signals at major Valley
intersections have been changed to add new lights, turn-arrows and
other
features to accommodate the busway.

"These are common-sense safety issues clearly marked for all of the
public to see," said MTA spokesman Dave Sotero. "We're just asking that
they be more mindful at these intersections."

The Sheriff's Department has four motorcycle officers
assigned solely to the Orange Line, typically following the practice
buses and issuing citations to drivers.

Traffic citations can cost hundreds of dollars and result in multiple
points on a motorist's car insurance, Parker said.

Additionally, sheriff's cruisers, bicycle officers and a horse-mounted
posse are patrolling the route.

In recent weeks, they've cited up to 100 people a day for trespassing
on
the route, though that number dropped substantially last week One man
was arrested on suspicion of drinking alcohol in public while riding a
bike along the route, and a local school track team was photographed
climbing over a fence to access the busway, authorities said.

As part of the busway, a new parallel bike path is being built across
the Valley. However, it, too, is not yet open for the public to use.

Sheriff's deputies ask residents to report any violators to (888)
950-SAFE (7233).
Robert Cote - 21 Sep 2005 20:26 GMT
...
> Anticipating increased practice runs of the 30-ton buses on Monday
> and the start of service Oct. 29, sheriff's deputies have been
> issuing as many as 100 warnings a day to trespassers on the 14-mile
> route. Deputies also have cited more than 100 drivers for traffic
> violations on or around the path.

Why is no one sensitive to this problem?  The Houston Wham Bam Trolley
is going to be a fond memory within months.  The 62 fatalities in the
startup period of the Blue Line will look like a public safety success.  
The orange line is going to kill a lot of people before things get
"fixed."  In the same vein I can already see Section B of the Times
Tuesday Nov 1st, 2005 front page:  "Valley Drivers Upset Over Massive
Traffic Disruptions"

Any bets?
mrpanitz - 24 Sep 2005 18:46 GMT
notice the note says BUSWAY IT DOES NOT SAY BIKE PATH
THE bike path is Open for Pedestions and cyclists

Warning! Joggers, bicyclists, Rollerbladers and moms with strollers:
Stay off the Orange Line busway route, even if you don't see buses yet.

                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
they just want you off the BUSWAY *ITSELF* not the bike path
Orange Line busway warning period is 'definitely over'
Deputies issuing citations, warning as opening day nears
the bike path is open for use..

has cyclist gotten a ticket from the sheriff dept?
Hank Fung - 25 Sep 2005 10:20 GMT
I drove the entire length of the busway route yesterday and counted
dozens of joggers and bicyclists on the parallel paths. There are
no signs or gates prohibiting individuals from using the concrete
paths (not the asphalt busway), and multiple police cars drove by
joggers and bicyclists with no incident.

By the way, the Van Nuys Boulevard station still needs some work
but all of the other stations look good to go.

>notice the note says BUSWAY IT DOES NOT SAY BIKE PATH
>THE bike path is Open for Pedestions and cyclists
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>
>has cyclist gotten a ticket from the sheriff dept?

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Lee - 26 Sep 2005 19:54 GMT
Sheriff's Department days:
"In recent weeks, they've cited up to 100 people a day for trespassing
on the route, though that number dropped substantially last week One
man
was arrested on suspicion of drinking alcohol in public while riding a
bike along the route, and a local school track team was photographed
climbing over a fence to access the busway, authorities said.

As part of the busway, a new parallel bike path is being built across
the Valley. However, it, too, is not yet open for the public to use. "
                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Passing police cars (LAPD) will not ticket the trespassers only the
Sheriff's Department, that is their jurisdiction.
mrpanitz@gmail.com - 28 Sep 2005 01:48 GMT
s part of the busway, a new parallel bike path is being built across
the Valley. However, it, too, is not yet open for the public to use. "

wrong the path *is open for use*
techinally that is LAPD Jurisdiction
the sherriff just handles the *busway* itself
Lee - 28 Sep 2005 20:46 GMT
mrpan...@gmail.com wrote:
> s part of the busway, a new parallel bike path is being built across
> the Valley. However, it, too, is not yet open for the public to use. "
>
> wrong the path *is open for use*
> techinally that is LAPD Jurisdiction
> the sherriff just handles the *busway* itself

On the first part of your post -  the pathway is open on the western
portion of the route, but closed on large sections of the eastern half.
That is per MTA Orange Line office.

Second, all portions of the transitway are the jurisdiction of the LASD
including any pathway or bikeway, only the intersections with streets
are not.  That is per the LASD Transportation Services Bureau Orange
Line Patrol Division It is in their contract with the MTA who are the
government entity that owns the property and an agreement with LAPD,
who in this case are the only other law enforcement agency involved.
You might be interested to know this kind of agreement also applies to
the Metro trains tunnels and stations, Metrolink trains (that traverse
four different counties), and on any MTA bus proper.  They are all LASD
jurisdiction.
Robert Cote - 28 Sep 2005 21:14 GMT
> mrpan...@gmail.com wrote:
> > s part of the busway, a new parallel bike path is being built across
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> four different counties), and on any MTA bus proper.  They are all LASD
> jurisdiction.

Should make for some interesting jurisdiction issues with the first
crashes or pursuits.
mrpanitz@gmail.com - 08 Oct 2005 04:01 GMT
I rode the path the other day from Van Nuys to Chanalder
it was nice -(expect for too many traffic lights!)
and the path itself is open I saw severval other cyclists
using the path as well..
and I did some some metroliners beening test on the line..
The Real Bev - 08 Oct 2005 05:50 GMT
> I rode the path the other day from Van Nuys to Chanalder
> it was nice -(expect for too many traffic lights!)
> and the path itself is open I saw severval other cyclists
> using the path as well..
> and I did some some metroliners beening test on the line..

You might want to repost this when you sober up...

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mrpanitz@gmail.com - 28 Sep 2005 01:50 GMT
has any cyclist gotten a ticket from using the bike path if so please
contact the metro liason commutty relation manager
CichoskiD@metro.net
he can see that the ticket is dismissed..
as the bike path is open,
 
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