Notes from the southern California roadmeet (17/02/2006)

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Carl Rogers - 21 Feb 2006 19:30 GMT

Hi All,

On Friday evening, a roadmeet was held at Tommy's Original (Hamburgers)
in Hollywood, Los Angeles. Attendants were myself and Erica Burdoin,
representing highway trends in the Los Angeles area. Telecommuting in
was Dave Hogan, representing the San Diego area. Many thanks to these
two for extending their knowledge and expertise.

Notes:

(1) The San Bernardino Freeway, between Federal Route (US-) 101 and
the Golden State Freeway /Interstate 5), is currently under
construction. Eastbound traffic is barricaded on both sides of their
carriageway.

(2) Near the US-101 and California State Route (CA-) 1 split in
Ventura County, heavy construction efforts are still underway. The
interchange will be reconfigured and nearby exits will need to be
re-tailored to meet the facilitation of the new CA-1 exit. One nearby
exit (I think it's Wagon Wheel Road) is completely closed while
construction continues.

(3) Exit-numbering between San Jose and Los Angeles seems to be a
significant, if not a simple majority occurrence along US-101 exits.
This may or may not concur w/ CalTrans' weblog snapshot.

(4) Santa Monica Boulevard (CA-2) also undergoes construction between
the San Diego Freeway (Interstate 405) and Beverly Hills city-limits.
Barricades and cones have been in place for some time now. Both
directions of traffic forge through a slalom-configuration; in other
words, both sides of traffic will maintain lane-count but temporarily
squeeze each lane's width while shifting onto he leftmost or rightmost
pavement. The leftmost or rightmost pavement, in regular usage,
usually facilitates one carriageway. The median is quite thin in the
construction area. A few blocks after a slalom-configuration is
starts, traffic will make a slight S-curve to the opposite, polar side
of the roadway.

It seems the intent of the CA-2 construction is to create more lanes of
traffic between Los Angeles/Century City and Beverly Hills.

(5) The new I-5 & I-805 split in San Diego has been opened over the
weekend. Southbound-to-southbound traffic and northbound-to-northbound
traffic should not have to contend w/ limited-lane availability that
previously caused a significant bottleneck between the freeways.

(6) Though CA-30 is decommissioned according to the California Streets
and Highways Code, its signage is still visible in the San Bernardino
area. On a related note, the southern terminus of CA-330 still refers
to the aforementioned route as CA-30. The official name-change from
CA-30 to "CA-210" (or "I-210") will likely be introduced to the region
once former CA-30 connects w/ the CA-210 freeway to the west of
Interstate 215.

Cheers,

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SD Dave - 22 Feb 2006 01:54 GMT

>(5) The new I-5 & I-805 split in San Diego has been opened over the
>weekend. Southbound-to-southbound traffic and northbound-to-northbound
>traffic should not have to contend w/ limited-lane availability that
>previously caused a significant bottleneck between the freeways.

Unfortunately it took until today to open up, but it's just great.
Four lanes of perfectly smooth pavement, LLB free, and a new exit to
Carmel Mtn Rd.

The rain over the weekend delayed the 12 hour paint drying time,
apparently after the Saturday Union-Tribune had gone to press. They
had an article telling people it was open on Saturday, then a Sunday
article about today's opening explaining the rain.

Dave

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Cameron Kaiser - 22 Feb 2006 03:22 GMT

>(6) Though CA-30 is decommissioned according to the California Streets
>and Highways Code, its signage is still visible in the San Bernardino
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>once former CA-30 connects w/ the CA-210 freeway to the west of
>Interstate 215.

If I may make a plug, there's a lot more CA 30 in the field even outside
of the freeway.

http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/30-18-259/

Particularly look at old CA 106.

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brink - 22 Feb 2006 08:27 GMT

>>(6) Though CA-30 is decommissioned according to the California Streets
>>and Highways Code, its signage is still visible in the San Bernardino
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Particularly look at old CA 106.

Dang, you really did your homework.... ;-)

why do you suppose Caltrans has gotten around to changing so many of hte old
CA-30 shields into those (ugly cramped) CA-210 shields, and yet at perhaps
the most important spots, the interchanges with I-10 and I-215, it still
says CA-30?

As I've pointed out before, this is very confusing for anyone reading the
most popular atlases out there... the Rand McNally Atlas has already
re-signed the route as CA-210 (as it truly is) so I'm sure many many people
have gone wandering around Redlands and San Bernardino for a freeway that
simply isn't marked at all like th map says it should be... plus throw in
that I don't think Caltrans has ever gotten around to putting exit numbers
up on I-10 yet and it's lotsa fun...

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Cameron Kaiser - 22 Feb 2006 14:28 GMT

>>If I may make a plug, there's a lot more CA 30 in the field even outside
>>of the freeway.
>>http://www.floodgap.com/roadgap/30-18-259/
>>Particularly look at old CA 106.

>Dang, you really did your homework.... ;-)

*bows* A lot of that was accidental. I was driving around and said, "hey,
I'll drive old 106 for the heck of it since it's convenient," and look what
I found. The CA 30/CA 259 stuff was intentional, though.

>why do you suppose Caltrans has gotten around to changing so many of hte old
>CA-30 shields into those (ugly cramped) CA-210 shields, and yet at perhaps
>the most important spots, the interchanges with I-10 and I-215, it still
>says CA-30?

I imagine because everyone out here still calls it CA 30 and since the
routes aren't (yet) continuous there's no reason to change.

>As I've pointed out before, this is very confusing for anyone reading the
>most popular atlases out there... the Rand McNally Atlas has already
>re-signed the route as CA-210 (as it truly is) so I'm sure many many people
>have gone wandering around Redlands and San Bernardino for a freeway that
>simply isn't marked at all like th map says it should be...

The 2005 and 2006 atlases I have mark it as "30 210" which is even worse,
I think -- it's legislatively *and* signedly (is that a word? ;) inaccurate.

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brink - 22 Feb 2006 18:35 GMT

>>>If I may make a plug, there's a lot more CA 30 in the field even outside
>>>of the freeway.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> what
> I found. The CA 30/CA 259 stuff was intentional, though.

The CA-259 cracks me up... anytime I drive on that short stretch I can't
help but think of the fact that it's the "unknown freeway" for all of 1
mile... ;-)

>>why do you suppose Caltrans has gotten around to changing so many of hte
>>old
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I think -- it's legislatively *and* signedly (is that a word? ;)
> inaccurate.

you know what, you're right... I think they "jumped the gun" with the 2003
or 2004 atlas by changing it to *only* 210 but they've since sorta fixed
their mistake by indicating it as a co-signed route.

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Steve Sobol - 23 Feb 2006 05:12 GMT

> you know what, you're right... I think they "jumped the gun" with the 2003
> or 2004 atlas by changing it to *only* 210 but they've since sorta fixed
> their mistake by indicating it as a co-signed route.

Before I moved here in June 03, I visited in March 03, and they hadn't even
extended the 57 all the way north yet. I-210 still turned south and ended at
I-10 in Pomona at that time. A 2003 atlas marking it all as 210 would have
been very wrong.

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Cameron Kaiser - 23 Feb 2006 05:57 GMT

>>you know what, you're right... I think they "jumped the gun" with the 2003
>>or 2004 atlas by changing it to *only* 210 but they've since sorta fixed
>>their mistake by indicating it as a co-signed route.

>Before I moved here in June 03, I visited in March 03, and they hadn't even
>extended the 57 all the way north yet. I-210 still turned south and ended at
>I-10 in Pomona at that time. A 2003 atlas marking it all as 210 would have
>been very wrong.

There's also still at least one 210 postmile on that segment of CA 57,
which I discovered accidentally when pulled over for a cell call.

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Steve Sobol - 22 Feb 2006 06:28 GMT

> Hi All,
>
> On Friday evening, a roadmeet was held at Tommy's Original (Hamburgers)
> in Hollywood, Los Angeles.

Yummy. They have *great* chili burgers. I couldn't make it, but I'm on a
low-carb diet and probably couldn't have one anyway. :)

I'm sorry I wasn't able to make it, as I am new to SoCal and would have
loved to get a bit of education from people who have lived here much longer
than I have.

> (6) Though CA-30 is decommissioned according to the California Streets
> and Highways Code, its signage is still visible in the San Bernardino
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> once former CA-30 connects w/ the CA-210 freeway to the west of
> Interstate 215.

The entire freeway is supposed to be done by sometime next year. I'm
thinking it'll be CA-210 first because CalTrans will have to (re-)apply to
the Feds to get Interstate status for the entire stretch. (For those not in
this area, it's Interstate 210 from Sylmar/La Cañada Flintridge to CA-57,
just before the Los Angeles/San Bernardino County Line; then it's CA-210
from there out to the current eastern terminus in Fontana at Alder St.)

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Daniel P Faigin - 26 Feb 2006 18:33 GMT

>(1) The San Bernardino Freeway, between Federal Route (US-) 101 and
>the Golden State Freeway /Interstate 5), is currently under
>construction. Eastbound traffic is barricaded on both sides of their
>carriageway.

This is widening for HOV lanes. Quoting from my site:

HOV lanes are planned as follows: (1) from I-405 to I-110; (2) from Baldwin to
I-605; (3) from I-605 to Puente Avenue; (4) from Puente Avenue to Citrus Avenue;
(5) from Citrus Avenue to Route 57 and (6) from Route 57 to the San Bernardino
County line. Segments (3), (4), and (5) are the subject of District 7 TCRP
Project #40, which plans to add HOV lanes to this segment, for a total cost of
$210 million. The estimated completion date is 1Q2008 for the segment from I-605
to Puente Ave, 1Q2010 for the segment from Puente to Citrus, and 1Q2012 for the
segment from Citrus to Route 57. A negative EIR (a good thing) came back in
February 2004. However, due to funding, the schedule has been pushed back.

>(2) Near the US-101 and California State Route (CA-) 1 split in
>Ventura County, heavy construction efforts are still underway. The
>interchange will be reconfigured and nearby exits will need to be
>re-tailored to meet the facilitation of the new CA-1 exit. One nearby
>exit (I think it's Wagon Wheel Road) is completely closed while
>construction continues.

Again, quoting from my site:

In Ventura, the current 5-lane bridge (3 lanes EB, 2 lanes WB) over the Santa
Clara River will be replaced with a nice new 12 lane bridge. The current Route 1
flyover that currently brings that traffic into the left-lane lane of US 101
will become a right-lane entrance that is standard. This is TCRP Project #47.

>(4) Santa Monica Boulevard (CA-2) also undergoes construction between
>the San Diego Freeway (Interstate 405) and Beverly Hills city-limits.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>starts, traffic will make a slight S-curve to the opposite, polar side
>of the roadway.

Actually, this may not be part of Route 2 anymore. In 2001, the legislature has
also authorized relinquishment of the portion of Route 2 that is located between
I-405 and Moreno Drive to the City of Los Angeles, per SB 290, 825, 10/13/2001.
In June 2002, the CTC had the relinquishment of the segment 07-LA-2-PM 3.9/5.9
in the City of Los Angeles on its agenda. In 2004, AB 3047, Chapter 650,
9/21/2004, cleaned up the relinquishment language, and added the ability to
relinquish the conventional highway portion in the City of Los Angeles. For
those not keeping score, once the relinquishments in Beverly Hills and Los
Angeles occur, the first segment of this route will be gone. According to the
Beverly Hills Weekly in July 2005, the Beverly Hills City Council approved a
resolution in late July 2005 that will result in the relinquishment of a the
designated portion of Route 2, and a total of $4.3 million to the city for the
maintenance and repair of the highway. The Beverly Hills stretch of highway
covers 1.8 miles and receives a high volume of traffic. According to Dave
Gustavson, Director of Public Works and Transportation for Beverly Hills, the
part of the highway west of Wilshire accommodates 35,000 vehicles per day, while
east of Wilshire sees 51,000 vehicles per day.

>It seems the intent of the CA-2 construction is to create more lanes of
>traffic between Los Angeles/Century City and Beverly Hills.

It could also be getting rid of the distinction between "Little" and "Big" Santa
Monica; said distinction arose because of the Pacific Electric (former)
Right-of-Way.

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