If you were driving northbound on I-5 today near Castaic at around
1:00 PM, you probably wished you had gotten off a few exits back at
Magic Mountain Parkway and spent the day at Six Flags. Here's the
reason:
http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=210dp90
If you didn't get off the freeway and instead got mired in the
10-mile-long backup, you eventually discovered that there was a small
brush fire on the hillside next to the freeway. At the site of the
fire there were a bunch of firetrucks, a small army of firefighters,
and a shitload of a.sholes forming a gaper's block:
http://i7.tinypic.com/210dgcw.jpg
People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!

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Brent P - 25 Jul 2006 23:10 GMT
> People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!
However not when the collision is in progress and it's the best way to
avoid it.
John Gaquin - 26 Jul 2006 06:45 GMT
"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0u-
>> People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!
>
> However not when the collision is in progress and it's the best way to
> avoid it.
But if you slow to avoid it, you would not be slowing to gawk, would you?
Brent P - 26 Jul 2006 06:50 GMT
> "Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:0u-
>>
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>
> But if you slow to avoid it, you would not be slowing to gawk, would you?
I've seen some where the line between gawking and avoiding debris was
rather fine.... but yeah... I caught that after hitting send.. can't be
perfect.
gpsman - 26 Jul 2006 06:53 GMT
> If you were driving northbound on I-5 today near Castaic at around
> 1:00 PM, you probably wished you had gotten off a few exits back at
> Magic Mountain Parkway and spent the day at Six Flags. Here's the
> reason:
>
> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=210dp90
Looks to me as if the driver is failing to KRETP.
> People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!
People who fail to KRETP should shut up about the driving of others.
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 28 Jul 2006 01:57 GMT
> http://i7.tinypic.com/210dgcw.jpg
I am more generously inclined than usual toward the drivers in this
traffic jam.
Although the fire per se is nothing much, there's fire apparatus lined
up at intervals for a long way, and I can't see whether it's on the
right shoulder (which sure looks rather skimpy on that side) or at
least blocking a traffic lane. For sure there's at least one spot up
the road where two of them are side by side and at least one has to be
in a traffic lane (look for the two space-alien-guacamole-colored cube
vans, which I think are personnel carriers from one of the firefighting
agencies). Although it's near the resolution limit of the photo, they
might have at least one lane, probably two, coned off as well.
So four lanes' worth of traffic (so say it's an honest three lanes
worth if people would space themselves properly and keep right except
to pass) is getting shoehorned into two lanes -- and on a hill, which
makes it much more fun for the heavy trucks that are involved.
I personally like to give those roadside emergency scenes generous
lateral room, and slow down too -- not only for the safety of the
firefighters, but in case somebody around me does something bozoid (not
that THAT would ever happen on the 5...).
Cheers,
--Joe
Scott en Aztlán - 28 Jul 2006 03:50 GMT
"Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving:
>> http://i7.tinypic.com/210dgcw.jpg
>
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>right shoulder (which sure looks rather skimpy on that side) or at
>least blocking a traffic lane.
Although the shoulder is wide enough for one vehicle, one traffic lane
is indeed blocked (with the two "guacamole" colored transports you
noted previously). One of my pictures clearly shows three civilian
vehicles abreast of the two greenie meanies, so three of the four
lanes are still open.
Bob Vaughan - 02 Aug 2006 03:20 GMT
>> http://i7.tinypic.com/210dgcw.jpg
>
>(look for the two space-alien-guacamole-colored cube
>vans, which I think are personnel carriers from one of the firefighting
>agencies).
US Forest Service.

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Scott en Aztlán - 02 Aug 2006 03:37 GMT
techie@tantivy.tantivy.net (Bob Vaughan) said in rec.autos.driving:
>>> http://i7.tinypic.com/210dgcw.jpg
>>
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>
>US Forest Service.
Makes sense - that brushfire was in the Angeles National Forest.

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John F. Carr - 28 Jul 2006 15:46 GMT
>People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!
In many states and at least one province of Canada the law
requires you to slow down.
Sometimes a police officer will park by the side of the road
and ticket people going below the speed limit, because the
presence of his vehicle causes the speed limit to go down.

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Bill Funk - 28 Jul 2006 18:11 GMT
>>People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!
>
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>and ticket people going below the speed limit, because the
>presence of his vehicle causes the speed limit to go down.
I'd sure like to see evidence of a police officer ticketing a driver
for "going below the speed limit."
Got any?

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Scott en Aztlán - 29 Jul 2006 04:01 GMT
Bill Funk <BigBill@there.com> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>Sometimes a police officer will park by the side of the road
>>and ticket people going below the speed limit, because the
>>presence of his vehicle causes the speed limit to go down.
>
>I'd sure like to see evidence of a police officer ticketing a driver
>for "going below the speed limit."
That's not the charge that the cop writes on the ticket, of course.
The actual violation will appear as "DRIVING TOO FAST FOR CONDITIONS."
Right, Jaybird? :)

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Scott en Aztlán - 29 Jul 2006 03:34 GMT
jfc@mit.edu (John F. Carr) said in rec.autos.driving:
>>People who slow down to gawk at a fire or an accident should be SHOT!
>
>In many states and at least one province of Canada the law
>requires you to slow down.
If you are in the lane adjacent to the emergency vehicle, yes. My
understanding is, however, if you change lanes so that you are at
least one lane away, usually no slowdown is required.
I could be wrong, of course. :)
In any case, that's not slowing down to gawk. Also, lots of gawkers
slow down to gawk at something going on on the opposite side of the
road - now I'm sure you'll agree that THAT is totally inexcusable.
>Sometimes a police officer will park by the side of the road
>and ticket people going below the speed limit, because the
>presence of his vehicle causes the speed limit to go down.
What a dick!

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