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Scott en Aztlán - 23 Nov 2006 01:40 GMT I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents. The cops don't expect traffic to peak until around 7PM. Sucks to be you if you're out driving right now. :)
And as if the traffic weren't bad enough, there's this:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOLIDAY_TRAVEL?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TE MPLATE=DEFAULT
Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the route: State troopers will be posted every 10 miles.
The coordinated effort between state police in the eight states the highway passes through - California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday.
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necromancer - 23 Nov 2006 01:50 GMT Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving:
> I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway > is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as > Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents. > The cops don't expect traffic to peak until around 7PM. Sucks to be > you if you're out driving right now. :) I went out fo a pizza a little while ago and crossed East Coast America's Favorite Road (I-95) and it was slammed to a stop both north and southbound. Took a little ride afterward over to Jekyll Island to see their x-mas display and the causeway over was almost (but not quite) deserted except for this one State Trooper who was running revenue patrol. He had snagged a victim both going on and when I was driving off the island.
> And as if the traffic weren't bad enough, there's this: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at > reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday. I heard about that on the Clinton News Network this morning. They are going to be out there ruining alot of thanksgiving trips for people with their non-safety initiative. Wonder if they will ever take the time to pull over a few truly dangerous drivers like sloths and LLB's?
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MLOM - 23 Nov 2006 02:28 GMT > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán > said in rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > S eeing > A nything Don't bet your next paycheck on it. Missouri is also stepping up the efforts. I saw four MO HP cars with drivers pulled over in my 35-mile commute home from work this afternoon. I kept my speed down to 50 (aka SL-5; almost slow enough to satisfy Aunt Judy) just to make sure I didn't get the "tag, you're IT" light display behind me.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Nov 2006 02:48 GMT >I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway >is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at >reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday. And it won't do a bit of good as far as saving lives because the penalties are so light. People just laugh and continue speeding and DUIing.
You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60 should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can. Now that would prevent highway murders.
Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2006 03:09 GMT >>I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway >>is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can. Now that > would prevent highway murders. Yup, because you'd have to jail everyone with a license. Good luck with that.
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Nov 2006 07:10 GMT >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>> You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60 >> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can. Now that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >nate Wrong. If we had stiff penalties for DUI, people wouldn't do it. DUI is not a crime of passion or necessity. Stiff penalties would work with this crime. Would you drive drunk if you knew it meant certain jail time if caught???
Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2006 15:02 GMT >>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > with this crime. Would you drive drunk if you knew it meant certain > jail time if caught??? I don't drive drunk because it's dangerous. I speed because it is safer than not speeding. Go DIAF already, moron.
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Random832 - 23 Nov 2006 21:52 GMT 2006-11-23 <ek4dcu0k4t@news3.newsguy.com>,
>>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I don't drive drunk because it's dangerous. I speed because it is safer > than not speeding. Go DIAF already, moron. Where do you go 20 over though? She did say 80 in a 60.
Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2006 23:48 GMT > 2006-11-23 <ek4dcu0k4t@news3.newsguy.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Where do you go 20 over though? She did say 80 in a 60. Dulles Toll Road, every day. Just keeping up with traffic. Actually more like 75 in a 55 but you get the point. It would be very, very difficult to justify a speed limit less than 70 MPH by any reasonable criteria, but Virginia doesn't post higher than 65 anyway. There's loads of highway speed limits that don't make any damn sense around here.
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MLOM - 23 Nov 2006 03:24 GMT > >I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway > >is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can. Now that > would prevent highway murders. Only a week? You are slipping. With these punishments, what about DUI? They kill even at 50mph BELOW SL.
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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Nov 2006 07:12 GMT >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>> You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60 >> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can. Now that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >sinker: check. WTF are you talking about, you brainless loony?
MLOM - 23 Nov 2006 15:45 GMT > >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > WTF are you talking about, you brainless loony? Any crime worth a $2K fine usually means 30 days in the slammer, not merely a week as you recommend. Those fines would seem to fit DUI better than speeding.
My best argument for not driving drunk is that people do crazy enough crap on the roads while sober. DUI adds a lot to the stupidity factor.
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Andrew Tompkins - 25 Nov 2006 23:14 GMT >>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Damn it...need to throw this catch back in the pond. Kill it and bury it. None of the rest of us want to catch it.
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necromancer - 25 Nov 2006 23:35 GMT Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), MLOM said in rec.autos.driving:
> > >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Damn it...need to throw this catch back in the pond. Dude, *that* catch is hazardous waste. Please dispose of it properly.
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MLOM - 26 Nov 2006 03:36 GMT > Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), MLOM said in > rec.autos.driving: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > -- (snip .sig)
Is there a proper disposal method for this catch? The closest I can come up with is this. http://mylandofmisery.com/no-mac5.gif
necromancer - 23 Nov 2006 17:10 GMT Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS said in rec.autos.driving:
> You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60 > should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can. Now that > would prevent highway murders. What about 41 in a 25?? Or do you have a double standard when it comes to certain offenese?
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"> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?
Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought."
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US 71 - 23 Nov 2006 03:15 GMT > Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at > reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday. I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National Road" .
My Land of Misery - 23 Nov 2006 03:18 GMT > > Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more > > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National > Road" . Says a lot about trusting NPR...the National Road is now I-68.
US 71 - 23 Nov 2006 03:53 GMT US 71 wrote:
> > Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more > > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National > Road" . Says a lot about trusting NPR...the National Road is now I-68.
You mean US 40--. I've also taken the liberty of contacting them and notifying them of their error.;)
Steven J. Sobol - 23 Nov 2006 05:24 GMT >> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National >> Road" . > > Says a lot about trusting NPR...the National Road is now I-68. No, The National Road is and always has been US-40. I-68 is the National Freeway IIRC, which is stupid, because it's a smaller regional freeway...
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Scott M. Kozel - 23 Nov 2006 05:38 GMT > >> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National > >> Road" . [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No, The National Road is and always has been US-40. I-68 is the National > Freeway IIRC, which is stupid, because it's a smaller regional freeway... Interstate 68 is the 116-mile-long freeway between I-79 at Morgantown, West Virginia, and I-70 at Hancock, Maryland, and it is Appalachian Corridor "E". It was one of the approved highway corridors in the 1965 Appalachian Regional Development Act.
The Interstate designation was not planned for this highway until it was nearly completed in 1991. It was US-48 prior to that.
Maryland has always used the name "National Freeway" for this highway from the time that it was first planned, and the reason why is because it parallels the corridor of the old National Road built back in the 1800s. The US-40 National Pike replaced the National Road. So the freeway bypass of US-40 was named the National Freeway. US-40 actually leaves Maryland near the northwest corner of the state and heads northwest into Pennsylvania. I-68 continues west to Morgantown, West Virginia. West Virginia did not and does not have a name for their section of the highway.
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lyon_wonder - 23 Nov 2006 06:28 GMT >I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National >Road" . And I-80 can be considered the Lincoln Freeway or Lincoln Interstate.
Larry Harvilla - 23 Nov 2006 16:19 GMT >>I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National >>Road" . > > And I-80 can be considered the Lincoln Freeway or Lincoln Interstate. ... or at least the parts of it that parallel the Lincoln Highway, much of which is US 30, at least east of Wyoming.
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Random832 - 23 Nov 2006 22:00 GMT 2006-11-23 <Fn89h.25$Rx7.23@newsfe23.lga>,
>> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more >> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National > Road" . That would have been more appropriate for I-70.
Though segments of I-40 are old Route 66.
Steven J. Sobol - 23 Nov 2006 05:22 GMT > I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway > is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as > Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents. At about 8:45pm when I came home up Mariposa Road, which parallels the 15 through southern Victorville, I saw that the backup started at Palmdale. Pretty shocking - I thought it would have been a lot more backed up.
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Jack Hamilton - 23 Nov 2006 05:33 GMT >I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway >is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as >Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents. >The cops don't expect traffic to peak until around 7PM. Sucks to be >you if you're out driving right now. :) It took my vanpool about 2-1/2 hours to go from Oakland to Davis this afternoon, about an hour longer than usual.
I was expecting worse. Perhaps everyone left earlier, or will leave tomorrow. Is there an online archive of traffic jam information for northern California?
Bill - 24 Nov 2006 04:41 GMT > I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway > is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at > reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday. Well, *I'm* glad I was driving this weekend. Go to take my 911 Turbo out on the open road for the first time!
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Scott en Aztlán - 24 Nov 2006 05:31 GMT "Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving:
>Well, *I'm* glad I was driving this weekend. Go to take my 911 Turbo out on >the open road for the first time! Where did you manage to find one?
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Bill - 25 Nov 2006 18:51 GMT > "Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Where did you manage to find one? Maryland.
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Scott en Aztlán - 26 Nov 2006 06:13 GMT "Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving:
>>>Well, *I'm* glad I was driving this weekend. Go to take my 911 Turbo out >>>on the open road for the first time! >> >> Where did you manage to find one? > >Maryland. Hmm... No grandmothers' houses in MD? Or does it suck so bad there that the grandmothers go to visit their kids in other states for Thanksgiving? :)
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necromancer - 26 Nov 2006 11:20 GMT Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán said in rec.autos.driving:
> "Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that the grandmothers go to visit their kids in other states for > Thanksgiving? :) Nah. Most of the grandmothers in the east live in Florida. The kids go down there for the holiday.
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Ad absurdum per aspera - 24 Nov 2006 16:27 GMT http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOLIDAY_TRAVEL?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TE MPLATE=DEFAULT
> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the > route: State troopers will be posted every 10 miles. Largely propaganda, IMHO. I am not at all sure that some of the Western states, in particular, could muster that many troopers outright, never mind the wisdom of leaving their other highways unpatrolled to concentrate on just one.
Haven't seen any evidence of the "DWI Superblitz" that was widely advertised in my area, either, although I did encounter a couple of drivers who might've blown interesting numbers.
They could have started with the guy who was tailgating me at intermittent-headlight-disappearance raneg for ten miles of 45 mph, one lane each way separated by a palisade of reflector sticks, no-passing and hardly-any-shoulder construction zone (wherein I was going the same speed as the long stick of people in front of me and had the temerity to follow at a prudent distance). When the detour retoured into regular Interstate, my antagonist turned out to be a Chevy pickup stacked high with hay bales. Well, why didn't he just flip the CB radio to PA mode and say something? "Outta my way, city boy -- this here's a hay EMERGENCY!"
I am not sure how Thanksgiving rates among your drinking holidays anyway. There sure seemed to be a lot of people heading for Grandma's at high speed with one eye on the cell phone and the other on their watch, though, maybe in a car with a lot more load in and on it than they're used to, which can all be an interesting combination.
Anyway, here I am back home, and as a bus driver I know likes to put it, if you're looking down at the grass, things could be worse...
--Joe
Scott en Aztlán - 24 Nov 2006 16:40 GMT "Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving:
>I am not sure how Thanksgiving rates among your drinking holidays >anyway. There sure seemed to be a lot of people heading for Grandma's >at high speed with one eye on the cell phone and the other on their >watch, though, maybe in a car with a lot more load in and on it than >they're used to ...and a bunch of screaming brats in the back seat. Mommy drives them around all the time and may have built up a bit of tolerance, but Daddy is driving today and it's VERY distracting to him.
I wonder who is less impaired: this guy, or the guy who just drank a 6-pack of 40-ouncers?
US 71 - 24 Nov 2006 17:59 GMT > "Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > around all the time and may have built up a bit of tolerance, but > Daddy is driving today and it's VERY distracting to him. My dad would just crank up the car stereo and drown them out ;)
Nate Nagel - 24 Nov 2006 18:23 GMT > "Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I wonder who is less impaired: this guy, or the guy who just drank a > 6-pack of 40-ouncers? Hmmm... I could see physically being able to get behind the wheel after a six pack of 16-ouncers, but if you can even focus after six 40's you're a better man than I.
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Geoff Miller - 29 Nov 2006 16:49 GMT [holiday traffic]
> And as if the traffic weren't bad enough, there's this:
> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOLIDAY_TRAVEL?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TE MPLATE=DEFAULT
> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the > route: State troopers will be posted every 10 miles. Well hey, I'd have thought you'd have been all for it. After all, they were just enforcing those laws you claim to be so reverent about, right?
(There had to have been a few registration scofflaws in the mix...)
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Scott en Aztlán - 30 Nov 2006 03:32 GMT geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) said in ca.driving:
>> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more >> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >(There had to have been a few registration scofflaws in the mix...) I'm sure there were many. Of course, cops never pull those people over for that purpose. That's why I perform my civic duty and report any such offenders that I see to the CHP Cheaters web site.
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