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I'm Glad I'm Not Driving This Weekend

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Scott en Aztlán - 23 Nov 2006 01:40 GMT
I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents.
The cops don't expect traffic to peak until around 7PM. Sucks to be
you if you're out driving right now. :)

And as if the traffic weren't bad enough, there's this:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOLIDAY_TRAVEL?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TE
MPLATE=DEFAULT


Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
route: State troopers will be posted every 10 miles.

The coordinated effort between state police in the eight states the
highway passes through - California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas,
Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at
reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday.
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necromancer - 23 Nov 2006 01:50 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
said in rec.autos.driving:
> I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
> is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
> Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents.
> The cops don't expect traffic to peak until around 7PM. Sucks to be
> you if you're out driving right now. :)

I went out fo a pizza a little while ago and crossed East Coast
America's Favorite Road (I-95) and it was slammed to a stop both north
and southbound. Took a little ride afterward over to Jekyll Island to
see their x-mas display and the causeway over was almost (but not quite)
deserted except for this one State Trooper who was running revenue
patrol. He had snagged a victim both going on and when I was driving off
the island.

> And as if the traffic weren't bad enough, there's this:
>
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> Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at
> reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday.

I heard about that on the Clinton News Network this morning. They are
going to be out there ruining alot of thanksgiving trips for people with
their non-safety initiative. Wonder if they will ever take the time to
pull over a few truly dangerous drivers like sloths and LLB's?

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MLOM - 23 Nov 2006 02:28 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
> said in rec.autos.driving:
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> S eeing
> A nything

Don't bet your next paycheck on it.  Missouri is also stepping up the
efforts.  I saw four MO HP cars with drivers pulled over in my 35-mile
commute home from work this afternoon.  I kept my speed down to 50 (aka
SL-5; almost slow enough to satisfy Aunt Judy) just to make sure I
didn't get the "tag, you're IT" light display behind me.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Nov 2006 02:48 GMT
>I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
>is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at
>reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday.

And it won't do a bit of good as far as saving lives because the
penalties are so light. People just laugh and continue speeding and
DUIing.

You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60
should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can.  Now that
would prevent highway murders.
Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2006 03:09 GMT
>>I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
>>is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can.  Now that
> would prevent highway murders.

Yup, because you'd have to jail everyone with a license.  Good luck with
that.

nate

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Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Nov 2006 07:10 GMT
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán

>> You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60
>> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can.  Now that
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>nate

Wrong.  If we had stiff penalties for DUI, people wouldn't do it.  DUI
is not a crime of passion or necessity.  Stiff penalties would work
with this crime.  Would you drive drunk  if you knew it meant certain
jail time if caught???
Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2006 15:02 GMT
>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> with this crime.  Would you drive drunk  if you knew it meant certain
> jail time if caught???

I don't drive drunk because it's dangerous.  I speed because it is safer
than not speeding.  Go DIAF already, moron.

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Random832 - 23 Nov 2006 21:52 GMT
2006-11-23 <ek4dcu0k4t@news3.newsguy.com>,

>>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I don't drive drunk because it's dangerous.  I speed because it is safer
> than not speeding.  Go DIAF already, moron.

Where do you go 20 over though? She did say 80 in a 60.
Nate Nagel - 23 Nov 2006 23:48 GMT
> 2006-11-23 <ek4dcu0k4t@news3.newsguy.com>,
>
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>
> Where do you go 20 over though? She did say 80 in a 60.

Dulles Toll Road, every day.  Just keeping up with traffic.  Actually
more like 75 in a 55 but you get the point.  It would be very, very
difficult to justify a speed limit less than 70 MPH by any reasonable
criteria, but Virginia doesn't post higher than 65 anyway.  There's
loads of highway speed limits that don't make any damn sense around here.

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MLOM - 23 Nov 2006 03:24 GMT
> >I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
> >is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
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> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can.  Now that
> would prevent highway murders.

Only a week? You are slipping.  With these punishments, what about DUI?
They kill even at 50mph BELOW SL.

hook: check.

line: check.

sinker: check.
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS - 23 Nov 2006 07:12 GMT
>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán

>> You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60
>> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can.  Now that
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>sinker: check.

WTF are you talking about, you brainless loony?
MLOM - 23 Nov 2006 15:45 GMT
> >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>
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>
> WTF are you talking about, you brainless loony?

Any crime worth a $2K fine usually means 30 days in the slammer, not
merely a week as you recommend.  Those fines would seem to fit DUI
better than speeding.

My best argument for not driving drunk is that people do crazy enough
crap on the roads while sober.  DUI adds a lot to the stupidity factor.

hook: check.

line: check.

sinker: check.

Damn it...need to throw this catch back in the pond.
Andrew Tompkins - 25 Nov 2006 23:14 GMT
>>>> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
>>
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>
> Damn it...need to throw this catch back in the pond.

Kill it and bury it.  None of the rest of us want to catch it.

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necromancer - 25 Nov 2006 23:35 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), MLOM said in
rec.autos.driving:

> > >> On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 17:40:11 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> >
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>
> Damn it...need to throw this catch back in the pond.

Dude, *that* catch is hazardous waste. Please dispose of it properly.

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MLOM - 26 Nov 2006 03:36 GMT
> Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), MLOM said in
> rec.autos.driving:
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>
> --
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Is there a proper disposal method for this catch?  The closest I can
come up with is this.
http://mylandofmisery.com/no-mac5.gif
necromancer - 23 Nov 2006 17:10 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Speeders & Drunk
Drivers are MURDERERS said in rec.autos.driving:
> You want to save lives then stop the criminal coddling. 80 in a 60
> should be punished with a $2000 fine and a week in the can.  Now that
> would prevent highway murders.

What about 41 in a 25?? Or do you have a double standard when it comes
to certain offenese?

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">  Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit?

Yes, but never deliberately.  In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5
years ago for doing 41 in a 25.  I just about kicked the cops teeth in
cause i was sure he was lying.  No way the SL on this wide open
stretch could be 25, i thought."

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US 71 - 23 Nov 2006 03:15 GMT
> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at
> reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday.

I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
Road" .
My Land of Misery - 23 Nov 2006 03:18 GMT
> > Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
> > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
> Road" .

Says a lot about trusting NPR...the National Road is now I-68.
US 71 - 23 Nov 2006 03:53 GMT
US 71 wrote:

> > Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
> > than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
> Road" .

Says a lot about trusting NPR...the National Road is now I-68.

You mean US 40--. I've also taken the liberty of contacting them and
notifying them of their error.;)
Steven J. Sobol - 23 Nov 2006 05:24 GMT
>> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
>> Road" .
>
> Says a lot about trusting NPR...the National Road is now I-68.

No, The National Road is and always has been US-40. I-68 is the National
Freeway IIRC, which is stupid, because it's a smaller regional freeway...

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Scott M. Kozel - 23 Nov 2006 05:38 GMT
> >> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
> >> Road" .
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> No, The National Road is and always has been US-40. I-68 is the National
> Freeway IIRC, which is stupid, because it's a smaller regional freeway...

Interstate 68 is the 116-mile-long freeway between I-79 at Morgantown,
West Virginia, and I-70 at Hancock, Maryland, and it is Appalachian
Corridor "E".  It was one of the approved highway corridors in the 1965
Appalachian Regional Development Act.

The Interstate designation was not planned for this highway until it was
nearly completed in 1991.  It was US-48 prior to that.

Maryland has always used the name "National Freeway" for this highway
from the time that it was first planned, and the reason why is because
it parallels the corridor of the old National Road built back in the
1800s.  The US-40 National Pike replaced the National Road.  So the
freeway bypass of US-40 was named the National Freeway.  US-40 actually
leaves Maryland near the northwest corner of the state and heads
northwest into Pennsylvania.  I-68 continues west to Morgantown, West
Virginia.  West Virginia did not and does not have a name for their
section of the highway.

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lyon_wonder - 23 Nov 2006 06:28 GMT
>I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
>Road" .

And I-80 can be considered the Lincoln Freeway or Lincoln Interstate.
Larry Harvilla - 23 Nov 2006 16:19 GMT
>>I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
>>Road" .
>
> And I-80 can be considered the Lincoln Freeway or Lincoln Interstate.

... or at least the parts of it that parallel the Lincoln Highway, much
of which is US 30, at least east of Wyoming.

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Random832 - 23 Nov 2006 22:00 GMT
2006-11-23 <Fn89h.25$Rx7.23@newsfe23.lga>,

>> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
>> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> I heard that on NPR this afternoon. They also called I-40 "The National
> Road" .

That would have been more appropriate for I-70.

Though segments of I-40 are old Route 66.
Steven J. Sobol - 23 Nov 2006 05:22 GMT
> I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
> is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
> Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents.

At about 8:45pm when I came home up Mariposa Road, which parallels the 15
through southern Victorville, I saw that the backup started at Palmdale.
Pretty shocking - I thought it would have been a lot more backed up.

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Jack Hamilton - 23 Nov 2006 05:33 GMT
>I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
>is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
>Vegas is reported to be the #1 travel destination for SoCal residents.
>The cops don't expect traffic to peak until around 7PM. Sucks to be
>you if you're out driving right now. :)

It took my vanpool about 2-1/2 hours to go from Oakland to Davis this
afternoon, about an hour longer than usual.

I was expecting worse.  Perhaps everyone left earlier, or will leave
tomorrow.  Is there an online archive of traffic jam information for
northern California?
Bill - 24 Nov 2006 04:41 GMT
> I'm watching the evening news here in the LA basin, and EVERY freeway
> is completely bogged down with traffic. I-15 is especially busy as
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Oklahoma, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina - is aimed at
> reducing accidents and fatalities Wednesday and Thursday.

Well, *I'm* glad I was driving this weekend. Go to take my 911 Turbo out on
the open road for the first time!

- B
Scott en Aztlán - 24 Nov 2006 05:31 GMT
"Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving:

>Well, *I'm* glad I was driving this weekend. Go to take my 911 Turbo out on
>the open road for the first time!

Where did you manage to find one?
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Bill - 25 Nov 2006 18:51 GMT
> "Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
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>
> Where did you manage to find one?

Maryland.

- B
Scott en Aztlán - 26 Nov 2006 06:13 GMT
"Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving:

>>>Well, *I'm* glad I was driving this weekend. Go to take my 911 Turbo out
>>>on the open road for the first time!
>>
>> Where did you manage to find one?
>
>Maryland.

Hmm... No grandmothers' houses in MD? Or does it suck so bad there
that the grandmothers go to visit their kids in other states for
Thanksgiving? :)
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necromancer - 26 Nov 2006 11:20 GMT
Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use those words loosely), Scott en Aztlán
said in rec.autos.driving:
> "Bill" <you.gotta@be.kidding> said in rec.autos.driving:
>
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> that the grandmothers go to visit their kids in other states for
> Thanksgiving? :)

Nah. Most of the grandmothers in the east live in Florida. The kids go
down there for the holiday.

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Ad absurdum per aspera - 24 Nov 2006 16:27 GMT
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> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
> route: State troopers will be posted every 10 miles.

Largely propaganda, IMHO.  I am not at all sure that some of the
Western states, in particular, could muster that many troopers
outright, never mind the wisdom of leaving their other highways
unpatrolled to concentrate on just one.

Haven't seen any evidence of the "DWI Superblitz" that was widely
advertised in my area, either,  although I did encounter a couple of
drivers who might've blown  interesting numbers.

They could have started with the guy who was tailgating me at
intermittent-headlight-disappearance raneg for ten miles of 45 mph, one
lane each way separated by a palisade of reflector sticks, no-passing
and hardly-any-shoulder construction zone (wherein I was going the same
speed as the long stick of  people in front of me and had the temerity
to follow at a prudent distance).  When the detour retoured into
regular Interstate, my antagonist turned out to be a Chevy pickup
stacked high with hay bales.  Well, why didn't he just flip the CB
radio to PA mode and say something?  "Outta my way, city boy -- this
here's a hay EMERGENCY!"

I am not sure how Thanksgiving rates among your drinking holidays
anyway.  There sure seemed to be a lot of people heading for Grandma's
at high speed  with one eye on the cell phone and the other on their
watch, though, maybe in a car with a lot more load in and on it than
they're used to, which can all be an interesting combination.

Anyway, here I am back home, and as a bus driver I know likes to put
it, if you're looking down at the grass, things could be worse...

--Joe
Scott en Aztlán - 24 Nov 2006 16:40 GMT
"Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving:

>I am not sure how Thanksgiving rates among your drinking holidays
>anyway.  There sure seemed to be a lot of people heading for Grandma's
>at high speed  with one eye on the cell phone and the other on their
>watch, though, maybe in a car with a lot more load in and on it than
>they're used to

...and a bunch of screaming brats in the back seat. Mommy drives them
around all the time and may have built up a bit of tolerance, but
Daddy is driving today and it's VERY distracting to him.

I wonder who is less impaired: this guy, or the guy who just drank a
6-pack of 40-ouncers?
US 71 - 24 Nov 2006 17:59 GMT
> "Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving:
>
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> around all the time and may have built up a bit of tolerance, but
> Daddy is driving today and it's VERY distracting to him.

My dad would just crank up the car stereo and drown them out ;)
Nate Nagel - 24 Nov 2006 18:23 GMT
> "Ad absurdum per aspera" <jtchew@california.com> said in ca.driving:
>
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> I wonder who is less impaired: this guy, or the guy who just drank a
> 6-pack of 40-ouncers?

Hmmm... I could see physically being able to get behind the wheel after
a six pack of 16-ouncers, but if you can even focus after six 40's
you're a better man than I.

nate

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Geoff Miller - 29 Nov 2006 16:49 GMT
[holiday traffic]

> And as if the traffic weren't bad enough, there's this:

> http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/H/HOLIDAY_TRAVEL?SITE=AZTUS&SECTION=HOME&TE
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> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
> route: State troopers will be posted every 10 miles.

Well hey, I'd have thought you'd have been all for it.  After all, they
were just enforcing those laws you claim to be so reverent about, right?

(There had to have been a few registration scofflaws in the mix...)

Geoff

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Scott en Aztlán - 30 Nov 2006 03:32 GMT
geoffm@u1.netgate.net (Geoff Miller) said in ca.driving:

>> Motorists along Interstate 40, an east-west highway that spans more
>> than 2,500 miles, were seeing more than just fall colors along the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>(There had to have been a few registration scofflaws in the mix...)

I'm sure there were many. Of course, cops never pull those people over
for that purpose. That's why I perform my civic duty and report any
such offenders that I see to the CHP Cheaters web site.
 
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