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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / October 2003

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Need help changing speakers on a Golf VR6

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GR - 11 Oct 2003 19:18 GMT
After 7 years, I've finally got around to buying new speakers to
replace the crappy factory-fit ones in my 1993 Golf VR6... and I've
got a problem.

I've taken out one of the dash speakers, and discovered that it has
two 2-pin ISO connectors going into it (i.e. there are *four* wires
going into one speaker). The replacement speaker just has one positive
and one negative terminal, both on spade connectors.

Any idea on how I should wire up the new speaker? Should I just find
the two positive wires, twist them together and connect them to the
single positive terminal on the new speaker, and the same for the
negatives?

Just to clarify, I don't have any fancy amps or anything - it's just
head unit straight to speakers.

Cheers!
Paul Vina - 11 Oct 2003 20:09 GMT
The tweeters in your dash only have one positive and one negative. The extra
set of wires is the signal for the midbass in the door.  If I was you I
wouldn't worry about the dash speakers (cuz they'll sound like a.s no matter
what you do to them) and put a good set of 6.5" speakers in the doors and
call it a day.  I did that in my wife's 95 Jetta and it's all good. BTW,
It's time consuming, but I would run new wires into the doors.  It will make
life a LOT easier if you want to put the stock speakers back. Plus, the
factory wires a REALLY short so installing the new ones will be harder than
it needs to be.

Paul Vina

> After 7 years, I've finally got around to buying new speakers to
> replace the crappy factory-fit ones in my 1993 Golf VR6... and I've
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> Cheers!
Steve Grauman - 12 Oct 2003 00:23 GMT
My only problem here is that VW wasn't selling the Golf with a VR6 in 1993. At
least not in North America. The MKII GTi left the U.S. market standard with an
8 valve 2.0 litre or with an optional 16 valve mill. MKIII cars debuted with
the 115Hp 8 valve 2.0, and didn't recieve the VR6 till' at least late 94' or
early 95' when VW started selling it in the Corrado SLC. VR6 MKIIIs weren't
sold for more than 2.5 years at the *most*, as the MKIV debuted in 1997. Not
that this is particularly relevant to the post, but it strikes me as odd
nonetheless.
Paul Vina - 12 Oct 2003 00:31 GMT
VR6 MKIIIs weren't
> sold for more than 2.5 years at the *most*, as the MKIV debuted in 1997.

Wrong.  The MkIV's debuted in late 99 as a 99.5 model.  I had an installer
with a 99.5 GTI VR6.

Paul Vina
Steve Grauman - 12 Oct 2003 00:37 GMT
<< Wrong.  The MkIV's debuted in late 99 as a 99.5 model.  I had an installer
with a 99.5 GTI VR6. >>

Actually, we were both wrong. The MKIV debuted at the end of 1998 with the MKIV
Jetta. The 1.8T was introduced to Audi in 1997, and found it's way down to VW
for 2000 model year cars. BTW, I own a 2002 GTi myself. This still does not
change the fact that 93' GTis were not sold with a VR6. And VWoA has never
badged a VR6 2-door as anything but a GTi. In Europe, it's sold as a Golf VR6,
but in North America, they always get rebadged as GTis.
Paul Vina - 12 Oct 2003 06:45 GMT
> Actually, we were both wrong. The MKIV debuted at the end of 1998 with the MKIV
> Jetta.

But some of the MkIII's were sold as 99's.  I've tons of systems in 99 Jetta
and Golf/GTIIII's.

>The 1.8T was introduced to Audi in 1997, and found it's way down to VW
> for 2000 model year cars. BTW, I own a 2002 GTi myself. This still does not
> change the fact that 93' GTis were not sold with a VR6. And VWoA has never
> badged a VR6 2-door as anything but a GTi. In Europe, it's sold as a Golf VR6,
> but in North America, they always get rebadged as GTis.

I never argued otherwise, only the years of manufacture.

Paul Vina
Steve Grauman - 14 Oct 2003 03:33 GMT
<< But some of the MkIII's were sold as 99's.  I've tons of systems in 99 Jetta
and Golf/GTIIII's. >>

According to my dealer, the MKIII stopped being produced by the factory
sometime in early to mid 1998. The MKIV took over from there, some got badged
as 98s, most got badged 99s. There was some kind of delay in late-MKIII
shipment, and I guess some of the cars ended up getting called 99' models. Oh
well. He also says that VW introduced the VR6 in the Corrado in *very* late 93'
or early 94' for the Corrado SLC, but that it didn't find it's way into a GTi
untill 95 or 96.
Paul Vina - 14 Oct 2003 03:46 GMT
Yeah, I could never understand why VW took so damned long to put the VR6 in
the Golf platform.

Paul Vina

> << But some of the MkIII's were sold as 99's.  I've tons of systems in 99 Jetta
> and Golf/GTIIII's. >>
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> or early 94' for the Corrado SLC, but that it didn't find it's way into a GTi
> untill 95 or 96.
Steve Grauman - 14 Oct 2003 20:14 GMT
<< Yeah, I could never understand why VW took so damned long to put the VR6 in
the Golf platform. >>

Mostly for economy reasons I'd guess. The Golf, even in GTi trim was geared for
a lower price bracket. The Corrado was designed to be the more expensive car
from day 1, so it made sense to equip it with the more expensive VR6 engine.
But VW was phasing out the supercharged G60 motor, and they needed something to
fill in the gap between the far underpowered Golf III 2.0 and the Corrado VR6.
The Golf VR6 fit the bill perfectly. It had all of the power of the Corrado,
but lacked the more advanced suspension and luxury items that made the Corrado
a more expensive vehicle.
 
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