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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / October 2003Need help selecting rear stage spkrs to go with DynAudo 360 Front Stage
I've put a DynAudio 360 system in the front of my car powered by a pair of Helix HXA-400 amplifiers (I'm very happy with this part of the system) and now need to something about the rear; the current cutouts will accomodate a 6x9 or similar sized speaker (I'd like to stay close to that so I don't have to replace the leather or do a lot of cutting on the rear deck). I will most likely use one of the channels from the second Helix (+/- 90 watts) to power the rear. Suggestions? Anything with pretty smooth midrange and subdued tweeters will work fine without drawing too much attention to itself. The brand is unimportant. Paul Vina > I've put a DynAudio 360 system in the front of my car powered by a pair of > Helix HXA-400 amplifiers (I'm very happy with this part of the system) and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Suggestions? Look at the quart 6x9' very cheap for what you get on ebay -- Gmac In my last setup i had a set of mB quart RSC 213 in the doors with 75 w RMS on them and I made a cutome inclusre that sat ontop of my hatch and aimed the 6x9's forward the best thing I ever did for that system was turn that encludre around so it was aiming back. Realy I would recomend buying a desecent pair of 6x9's $150 tops you have to remeber if positioned properly they added minimaly to the drivers perception, they are mostly for the passengers. I am not saying I would go without 6x9's when I took them out the car did sound empty, I would just make sure the speaker is not aimed forward either straight up or back and the gain is low -- Gmac I have a 360 set myself. I'm surprised that you are even considering a rear soundstage. I had mine set up with the mids and tweets in kick panels and the 8s in the doors (tons of damping material in the doors). I never thought I needed rear fill. Well, I'll be the minority here and suggest you keep all your speakers the same brand. If it were me I would custom make an MDF baffle under the stock 6x9 grills and put a Dyn 220MKII set under there (5.75 mid & 1" tweeter). Or maybe a another 360 set, minus the 8s...just the mids and tweets. I totally understand the whole rear-fill purpose. But if you're running Dynaudio and Helix, I don't see how you'd be happy in the long run with lesser-quality rear speakers. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact Because , generally speaking, with rear speakers you are listening to a *reflection* and the actual tonality of the speaker doesn't come into play. Plus, done properly they'd be so quiet you won't be able to hear them over the front anyway. IMO spending the kind of money a DYN or Helix set costs just for rear fill is silly. Paul Vina > I have a 360 set myself. I'm surprised that you are even considering a rear > soundstage. I had mine set up with the mids and tweets in kick panels and [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't > have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact Paul, I see your point. When I've had rear fill, I like to set the fader so that you'd never know you even HAD rear speakers. The only time you'd even know it is if you were to suddenly shut them off...then you would notice they're NOT there. Paul's probably right, that much money on rear speakers is silly. But then again, so is $1,100 for a set of Dyn 360s!!! Me personally, I would spend the extra money to timbre match the rear speakers, regardless of how little they are actually used. Money is no object for my car stereo obsession. Tony -- What's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact $1,100 is not too much for front speakers. Hell, if I could afford them I'd get those $100,000 Martin Logans (I forget the model) that out home theater store sold. Verah Nahse! For car audio I just can't justify spending a lot of money on speakers you never hear. Hell, I couldn't really justify it in a home either. A center channel, yes, but not the surrounds. Paul Vina > Paul, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't > have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact > $1,100 is not too much for front speakers. Hell, if I could afford them I'd > get those $100,000 Martin Logans (I forget the model) that out home theater > store sold. Verah Nahse! For car audio I just can't justify spending a lot > of money on speakers you never hear. Hell, I couldn't really justify it in > a home either. A center channel, yes, but not the surrounds. Center channel? What the hell do you need one of those for? Unless your monitor is set up in a corner, your much better off just running the front end in stereo. Of course the entire world of audio (mobile or stationary) is subject to personal preference ...  SignatureRegards, Dan Snooks I meant a center channel for a home since they do the majority of the work. I would never use a center channel in a car. I've never heard one done that didn't sound like a.s in a car. Paul Vina > > $1,100 is not too much for front speakers. Hell, if I could afford them > I'd [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Regards, > Dan Snooks > I meant a center channel for a home since they do the majority of the work. > I would never use a center channel in a car. I've never heard one done that > didn't sound like a.s in a car. I was referring to a home setup ... I have AB'd systems with the center turned on and off, much prefer not having a center speaker, I feel it is a crutch or bandaid of sorts. Proper location of main speakers negates the need of a center. SignatureRegards, Dan Snooks True, but when you're watching a movie it's pretty much a necessity. I've heard down mixed systems and I didn't care for them at all. For music there is no way in hell I'd use one in a home or car. Paul Vina > > I meant a center channel for a home since they do the majority of the > work. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards, > Dan Snooks Hmm... Eddie Izzard fan? Brandonb > Verah Nahse! Nah, just something I heard in a movie or on TV and I thought was funny. Paul Vina > Hmm... Eddie Izzard fan? > > Brandonb > > > Verah Nahse! >I've put a DynAudio 360 system in the front of my car powered by a pair of >Helix HXA-400 amplifiers (I'm very happy with this part of the system) and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Suggestions? I used a pair of Dyn MW160's in the rear once and they did a great job. You could easily fit a template with the cutout for the 6x9 hole and use any decent driver for rear fill. I wouldn't put any tweeters there though. Maybe something like a Morel mid from Madisound would work perfect if you don't want to pony up for a pair of Dyn raw MW drivers. Stephen Narayan | IASCA Pro Street 1-600 | IASCA Certified Judge 2003 Audio Perfection | audioperfection@sympatico.ca No System.....yup that's right. Why not check out my car audio museum :) http://canuck.audioguy.net/gear.html |
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