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Some guys in a white van tried to sell me speakers today.

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mail5232843@fishfuse.com - 24 Aug 2007 00:11 GMT
I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
Apparently they were loaded up with 4 sets of speakers instead of just
4 speakers. They said they wanted to get rid of the extras before they
went back to the shop. I was offered some Audiofile speakers for 600
dollars. He showed me an ad that stated they sold for $2,500 for each
speaker.

I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
for it.

-T

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www.flavor-flav.tk
www.tawny-kitaen.com
Richard Crowley - 24 Aug 2007 00:16 GMT
>I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

LOL! :-))
slamgauge@gmail.com - 24 Aug 2007 00:19 GMT
On Aug 23, 6:11 pm, mail5232...@fishfuse.com wrote:
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> ---------------------------------www.flavor-flav.tkwww.tawny-kitaen.com

Those guys always say the same thing.  It is a sales pitch.  It was
probably some no name speakers that were probably worth 500 bucks at
the most.  Don't feel bad, you were not missing out on a great deal.
You just
managed not to get suckered.
Batroc Z. Leaper - 24 Aug 2007 02:49 GMT
> Those guys always say the same thing.  It is a sales pitch.  It was
> probably some no name speakers that were probably worth 500 bucks at
> the most.  Don't feel bad, you were not missing out on a great deal.
> You just
> managed not to get suckered.

Cheap Chinese counterfeits that cost them $50.  

There's a sucker born every minute.
arthur - 24 Aug 2007 00:21 GMT
Sent to abuse @ oregonstate.edu

IP 128.193.169.91 is registered to the above if not spoofed.

arthur
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mail5232843@fishfuse.com - 24 Aug 2007 04:55 GMT
> Sent to abuse @ oregonstate.edu
>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> >-T
> >---------------------------------

Arthur,

What part of my post was abuse? I don't understand what you are trying
to report me for or why you would want to report me for it? Like I
said in the post, I did not actually buy the speakers, as I did not
have the money and something did not seem right. I almost got scammed
by someone, but in the end I did nothing wrong. I did not buy the
merchandise... and I did the right thing. Why would you want to report
that?

-T
arthur - 24 Aug 2007 08:11 GMT
Scared you huh?
C'est bien.

>Arthur,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>-T
arthur - 24 Aug 2007 00:27 GMT
Sent to:
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IP 128.193.169.91 is registered to the above ... if not spoofed.

arthur
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arthur - 24 Aug 2007 00:32 GMT
Sent to:
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arthur
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Aratzio - 24 Aug 2007 00:52 GMT
>Sent to:
>abuse@oregonstate.edu, myers@net.orst.edu , chris.giem@oregonstate.edu
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>arthur
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Go ahead, cupcake, explain what was the *abuse* you spotted.

Hrmm? Can you?

I'm betting you are just a whiney netKKKop that has not a clue as to
what is abuse.
William Sommerwerck - 24 Aug 2007 00:36 GMT
This e-mail is a fraud, a sham, a hoax, a scam, etc, etc, etc.

The guy writing this is trying to convince anyone who reads it that such
deals are legit. They aren't.
Aratzio - 24 Aug 2007 00:50 GMT
>This e-mail is a fraud, a sham, a hoax, a scam, etc, etc, etc.
>
>The guy writing this is trying to convince anyone who reads it that such
>deals are legit. They aren't.

ewe most bee won dem jeaneous.
Geoff - 24 Aug 2007 00:49 GMT
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

Those guys certainly get around in their famous white van !

geoff
Getting Older and Grumpier Gear Minion - 24 Aug 2007 01:41 GMT
> mail5232...@fishfuse.com wrote:
> > I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> geoff

The white van guys actually did approach me once in a parking
lot. Did the too many speakers for the job, and wanted to stick it
to their boss pitch. Unfortunately I'm a boss and declined the
unmarked boxes, gave the plate to the PSP and left it for
them to investgate. Never had a follow-up call from them,
guess the offer wasn't a crime, until I bought them :-)
William Sommerwerck - 24 Aug 2007 13:23 GMT
> The white van guys actually did approach me once in a parking
> lot. Did the too many speakers for the job, and wanted to stick it
> to their boss pitch. Unfortunately I'm a boss and declined the
> unmarked boxes, gave the plate to the PSP and left it for
> them to investgate. Never had a follow-up call from them,
> guess the offer wasn't a crime, until I bought them :-)

It happened to me once, about 10 years ago. When I told them how much my
Apogee speakers cost, they got very angry!
Cap'n Ron - 24 Aug 2007 16:18 GMT
Just happened to me a few minutes ago, but the van was grey.  Guy pulls up
to me in traffic and signals to roll down my window.  I thought maybe my
tire was going flat or something.  He says he got two free speakers in a
shipment, and he wants to know if I want them.

All while we're going 50 mph down the freeway!

Cap'n Ron

>> The white van guys actually did approach me once in a parking
>> lot. Did the too many speakers for the job, and wanted to stick it
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> It happened to me once, about 10 years ago. When I told them how much my
> Apogee speakers cost, they got very angry!
Scott Dorsey - 24 Aug 2007 02:45 GMT
>I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
>am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
>I just wish I had the money because I could have probably resold them
>and made a ton of cash... the opportunities for a guy like me aren't
>that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
>for it.

Do a google search on "White Van Speakers" and prepare to gasp in relief.
--scott

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"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

mail5232843@fishfuse.com - 24 Aug 2007 04:50 GMT
> >I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> >am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I read the Wikipedia article. wow. I am glad I didn't waste the money,
but I feel a bit strange knowing that I was almost scammed. The guys
didn't seem like they would try to rip me off. I don't think of myself
as the type of person who is easily fooled. From what the article I
found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
highly disturbing to say the least.

The article about this scam is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_van_speakers
if anyone wants to read it.
Laurence Payne - 24 Aug 2007 10:37 GMT
> From what the article I
>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
>doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
>highly disturbing to say the least.

What does "essentially" mean in the above statement?

So where's White Van Central?  Is it an international corporation or a
franchise?   Where do I apply to get trained?
Natalie Drest - 24 Aug 2007 12:47 GMT
>> From what the article I
>>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> So where's White Van Central?

Not sure, but they definitely have a branch here in Melbourne, Australia...
I was approached about 15 years ago. Exactly the same story as the OP.
Scott Dorsey - 27 Aug 2007 15:53 GMT
>> From what the article I
>>found on google said, this is essentially an organized ring of people
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>So where's White Van Central?  Is it an international corporation or a
>franchise?   Where do I apply to get trained?

In the US, it's basically one corporation running everything.  Talk to
Dick Pierce; I believe he served as an expert witness against them a
few years ago.  I don't know about the overseas operations, but they have
been spotted in quite a few other countries.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

William Sommerwerck - 24 Aug 2007 13:25 GMT
> I read the Wikipedia article. wow. I am glad I didn't waste the money,
> but I feel a bit strange knowing that I was almost scammed. The guys
> didn't seem like they would try to rip me off.

The ones I met were very nice, too. But...

When they tell you they were given "too many" and want to sell the extra to
you, you know you're taking part in an act of theft.
arthur - 24 Aug 2007 21:14 GMT
What puzzles me is how the hell you managed to get into OSU?
Are they getting desparate these days?
What a shame.
So sad.

Well that's what they get for admitting gypsies.

==

>I read the Wikipedia article. wow. I am glad I didn't waste the money,
>but I feel a bit strange knowing that I was almost scammed. The guys
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>doing this who are trained in this sort of deception. I find this
>highly disturbing to say the least.
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SRS - 24 Aug 2007 03:48 GMT
mail5232843@fishfuse.com wrote in news:1187910701.052321.317320
@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.M
<SNIP> I am kicking myself for it.

Tell you what, you send me $600, I'll send 10$ back to you (which is a
WAY better deal than you were offered) and you'll feel better, right?  
Anything to help.

Sheesh- this scam was going around during the Nixon administration...

Scott
(No the other, other Scott)
Peter Larsen - 24 Aug 2007 07:22 GMT

> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.

In which case their selling them is to sell something that belongs to
someone else and buying consequently would be to buy stolen goods.

> -T

  Kind regards

  Peter Larsen
Paul Stamler - 24 Aug 2007 07:39 GMT
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

It's against the law to sell those speakers unless you have a white van. Do
you have a white van?

Peace,
Paul
Gareth Magennis - 24 Aug 2007 10:14 GMT
>I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> -T

Troll. I guess you think you're really clever.  Hyuk hyuk.
Nono - 24 Aug 2007 14:10 GMT
On 24 aug, 01:11, mail5232...@fishfuse.com wrote:

> I didn't have any money on me, so he offered to drive me to an ATM. I
> am running low on cash right now and did not have enough to buy them.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> ---------------------------------www.flavor-flav.tkwww.tawny-kitaen.com

It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
Should you not have been low on cash at the time, you'd be low on cash
now, and humiliated on top of things.
But, it appears like you were willing though to participate it this
obscure deal to enrich yourself.
I hope that I don't offend you as I am happy for you that you escaped
getting scammed, but like they say;"it's the greedy that are more
likely to get scammed."
Let this be a good lesson.

Respect,
Norman.
William Sommerwerck - 24 Aug 2007 14:21 GMT
> It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.

The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to convince
its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.
Nono - 24 Aug 2007 14:32 GMT
On 24 aug, 15:21, "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgee...@comcast.net>
wrote:
> > It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
>
> The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to convince
> its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.

SHAME!!!
Gareth Magennis - 24 Aug 2007 14:34 GMT
>> It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
>
> The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to
> convince
> its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.

I thought it was more like some schoolboy prank, or a desparate attempt to
have a meaningful dialogue with the "Pro's" whilst having nothing meaningful
to talk about.

Gareth.
soundhaspriority - 25 Aug 2007 02:51 GMT
On 8/23/07 6:21 AM, in article rIadnXclpvfvRlPbnZ2dnUVZ_i2dnZ2d@comcast.com,

>> It seems that your lack of money saved you this time.
>
> The OP wasn't lacking money. This post is a fake. It's intended to convince
> its readers that "white-van" sellers are legitimate.

Sorry guys, forgery.

Bob Morein
Dresher, PA
(215) 646-4894
Paul Stamler - 24 Aug 2007 19:11 GMT
Back when I was service manager at the Speaker & Stereo Store, about once a
year people would come in with white-van speakers with the complaint that
something wasn't working right, usually a blown tweeter (a one-cap crossover
doesn't provide much protection, particularly not to a tweeter rated at
about 2W maximum -- and most of the guys who buy these things are in their
early 20s and like to play them LOUD). They sure looked sheepish when we
explained to them what they had. Occasionally one would ask what it would
take to put real drivers into the box with a real crossover and make them
into something decent. When they found out the price they always said,
"Never mind; throw them away." And we did.

Peace,
Paul
jakdedert - 24 Aug 2007 15:04 GMT
> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> that great. I let this opportunity get away and I am kicking myself
> for it.

Oh man...bummer!  I'll bet--when you get some cash--that you can find
them.  Just stop every white van you see and ask them if they've got any
speakers for sale.....

jak

> -T
>
> ---------------------------------
> www.flavor-flav.tk
> www.tawny-kitaen.com
Goldsmiths - 24 Aug 2007 23:01 GMT
>> I was walking home today and some guys in a van told me that they got
>> twice as many speakers in their delivery as they were supposed to get.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>> www.flavor-flav.tk
>> www.tawny-kitaen.com

I've also been approached at home on similar scams for meat and trees.  Not
on the same truck, of course.
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