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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / September 2007recommend some very good 6x9s for full range work
I have a late model toyota Camry and a toyota tacoma and they take 6x9s in the front doors. I'd like the replace them with some good 6x9 speakers. What would be the cream of the crop for 6x9s. Not just the ones with the biggest price tag but the ones that actually perform well. I'm looking for: Solid low end bass (not subwoofer levels but not enimic either) Smooth midrange, and sharp but not harsh hissy tweeters. I know this will be hard to find in a 6x9 since they are usually targeted for the mid-fi bunch. I'm looking for the exceptions to the rule. Any suggestions? are you kidding me???? polk db690. you can lower the bass if you want on them. i'm waiting now for mine. i like to think polks arent made but created.lol polks not only reproduce the music but enhance it. Still smoking crack bob? >are you kidding me???? polk db690. >you can lower the bass if you want on them. >i'm waiting now for mine. >i like to think polks arent made but created.lol >polks not only reproduce the music but enhance it. howdy dont understand your post. you dont know you can oner feed your speakers for short times if you have a better amp.than the average amp. n you lessen the bass. maybe stay away from songs with heavy bass notes. You have got to be out of your mind bobby. >howdy dont understand your post. you dont know you can oner feed your >speakers for short times if you have a better amp.than the average amp. >n you lessen the bass. >maybe stay away from songs with heavy bass notes. Have you thought about Morel I have a set of components in my SQ car, theyre amazing Theres a lot of fan fair about them on another board i frequent www.canadiancaraudio.co Anyhow, check em out, otherwise Infinity, BAs or Polk will also wor great www.zerohurtz.co -- digital-design I second all of Digital Designs' choices. Morel makes EXCELLENT speakers as does Dynaudio. For lesser priced brands, let me recommend JL, Polk, and Infinity. I have used Jl and Infinity and have heard many cars with Polk speakers and they all perform well. Of course, if you keep up on this site, you know some of us have concerns with the 6x9 design in general regardless of manufacturer. After all, the 6x9 design was created by car makers to better utilize rear-shelf space, NOT by audio engineers focussed on what will produce the best sound which is why you don't see 6x9's in home speakers. But that's a whole different debate..... That being said, DECENT sound and good bass response can be had from 6x9's. Also, one more thing, LISTEN to as many speakers as possible. Speakers are the most subjective part of any system. Some speakers that sound good with Classical (for instance) may sound TERRIBLE with rap. My standard advice is to take an arm load of YOUR CD's amd listen to as many speakers as possible. ONLY YOU know what sounds best to YOU. MOSFET > Have you thought about Morel ? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > www.zerohurtz.com >I second all of Digital Designs' choices. Morel makes EXCELLENT speakers >as [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > used Jl and Infinity and have heard many cars with Polk speakers and they > all perform well. > <snip> > That being said, DECENT sound and good bass response can be had from > 6x9's. > <snip> > MOSFET Yes I'm well aware of Morel and all of the home audio drivers. I use them in my home speaker designs. Ideally I'd design some components around some good drivers (Seas, Peerless, MB, Morel, etc) but I don't have to time. It takes me days of listening and measuring to properly tweek a crossover for home speakers. In this case I'm looking for something simple that will drop in and give maximum cone area without too much fuss. On 6.5" vs 6 x 9 do you know of anyone has actually measured the distortion of a high end 6x9 from Infininty, JL, Polk, etc at different sound levels to see if the theory actually holds true within the linear range for 6x9s (probably +/- 4mm Xmax) In my experience, Playing a 6.5" coax and a 6x9 coax of the same quality, the 6.5 doesn't stand a change. In fact I haven't heard any 6.5" coax/triax drivers played full range that can cleanly out volume a solid 6x9 from a reputable name brand. If so they are the exception and not the rule. You are proably right, in a car environment where you compete with engine noise, wind noise, road noise AND all the inherrent problems associated with a small cab with lots of things like seats and so on that create all sorts of problems on their own (standing waves, cancellation effects, ect.), it is probably a foolish debate about whether distortion issues inherrent in the 6X9 design CAN ACTUALLY REALLY BE HEARD. My guess is that they probably can not be heard nor can you hear the diference between a 6.5 and a 6x9. But, that being said, I DO know that most good quality 6X9's DO produce much more bass than your standard 6.5". One of the principle reasons for this is because a 6X9 can produce significant output in that "golden range" (50Hz-80Hz) where the transfer function kicks in and all of sudden you have A LOT more bass (often a boost of 6-10dB). So people often have the mistaken belief that 6x9's create MUCH more bass than a 6.5". And because of the transfer function, in a a car they do, period. No argument there from me. BUT, I will say that you never see 6x9 seperates. Why is that? I'm not sure I have an answer to that, except as I've stated before, audio engineers KNOW the best sound can be achieved by round speakers where you have perfect lineierity between cone and voice coil (whether these differences are noticable is, again, certainly debateable). AND, I have no problem in asserting that seperates ARE better than coaxials if for no other reason you can bi-amp seperates (as I do mine) which provide all sorts of benefits (more placement options, you need not use passive X-overs in a bi-amping set-up, if your midbass begins to distort, your tweeters will not, and I could go on). So although you are correct in that the sound quality differences between a 6x9 coaxial and a 6.5" coaxial is more likely mute, THERE ARE ADVATAGES NOT to go with 6x9's, unless they are for simply rear-fill. Whew, long answer to simple question. MOSFET > >I second all of Digital Designs' choices. Morel makes EXCELLENT speakers > >as [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > drivers played full range that can cleanly out volume a solid 6x9 from a > reputable name brand. If so they are the exception and not the rule. > You are proably right, in a car environment where you compete with engine > noise, wind noise, road noise AND all the inherrent problems associated [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > MOSFET Believe me I'm far from starting an argument about 6.5" and 6x9" What would be some 6.5" that would compete with or out perform a 6x9. "Outperform" a 6.5? Well that depends on what you mean by outperform. If you are talking bass, as I already posted any good quality 6x9 will outperform any good quality 6.5 when it comes to bass. As I already mentioned, the key reason for this is due to the transfer function that occurs in any small enclosed space that amplifies bass in the 40Hz-80Hz range. A 6X9 can produce significant output in this range, a 6.5" cannot, even a real good one. I use JL 6.5" for my front mids and rear-fill. Now these 6.5" speakers produce more bass than any other 6.5" I have EVER used and I have used MB Quart Prestige series, Boston Accoustics Pro series, and Alpine 6.5". So JL would be my recommendation if you are looking for a 6.5" that can produce significant bass. The bass is not only loud, it is very tight as well. BUT, as I said before, as good as the JL's are, most good quality 6x9's will produce more bass due to the tranfer function. Now when it comes to SQ, that is VERY subjective. There is no BEST SOUNDING speakers because people like different kinds of music (some speakers do better with different types of music) AND people like their music to sound differently. Speakers are the most subjective part of any system. Go to any car audio showroom and you will find that every HU will sound basically the same, but each set of speakers will have it's own unique sound. So my stock recommendation is to LISTEN to as many speakers as you can, and then find the ones that suit you and your music best. MOSFET > > You are proably right, in a car environment where you compete with engine > > noise, wind noise, road noise AND all the inherrent problems associated [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > > What would be some 6.5" that would compete with or out perform a 6x9. sound. > So my stock recommendation is to LISTEN to as many speakers as you can, > and > then find the ones that suit you and your music best. > > MOSFET Agreed, thaks for the input. > "Outperform" a 6.5? Well that depends on what you mean by outperform. If > you are talking bass, as I already posted any good quality 6x9 will > outperform any good quality 6.5 when it comes to bass. ... > BUT, as I said before, as good as the JL's are, most good quality 6x9's will > produce more bass due to the tranfer function. Transfer function itself will depend somewhat on the environment the driver is in and ITS resonant frequencies. 6x9s will *generally* produce more bass than a 6.5 because their cones *generally* have more surface area - approx. 42.5 sq. in. (by calculation) for a 6x9 vs. about 33 sq. in. for a 6.5" round. The actual surface area will vary depending on the "depth" of the cone, and actual bass output will vary to some degree with the excursion as well, but overall, a 6x9 has anywhere up to 1/3 more cone surface than a 6.5 round, and that translates into more bass. This MIGHT be enhanced by transfer function, again depending on the specifics of the environment. meant use not usa.lol >I have a late model toyota Camry and a toyota tacoma and they take 6x9s in >the front doors. I'd like the replace them with some good 6x9 speakers. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Any suggestions? I've had Eclipse speakers for years and I'm still very pleased with them. Depends what type of sound you like. I prefer smoother, less bass-heavy sound, but they can punch it out too, if you like that. I had the original Polk MM1s (years ago) and the Eclipses are similar. Haven't listened to Polks lately but Bob sure seems fond of them. mg > >I have a late model toyota Camry and a toyota tacoma and they take 6x9s in > >the front doors. I'd like the replace them with some good 6x9 speakers. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > mg You might want to look up Soundstream Tarantula 2-way 6x9's. I bought a pair of those and so far they are the most solid best sounding 6x9 I've ever seen or heard. The midrange on those are incredible. Bass is powerful too. But you will need an amplifier, since they are rated for 150 W RMS for each speaker. I'm running a set of Digital Designs 6x9 Components, and they are by far the best sounding speakers I've owned yet. I have a second set I'd be willing to sell. I believe they are rated at 160 Watts RMS each polk db690 rated 100rms peak 300watts. bet those polks will take 133rms if careful. not 134? Must be garbage. > polk db690 rated 100rms peak 300watts. > bet those polks will take 133rms if careful. 133rms are 33% above the listed rms. thats all i'd try to over feed a speaker. n the speaker would haveta be a good 1 too. lol..... I would listen to some good 6 inch round as an alternative. arthur >I have a late model toyota Camry and a toyota tacoma and they take 6x9s in >the front doors. I'd like the replace them with some good 6x9 speakers. > I would listen to some good 6 inch round as an alternative. > > arthur Again, I tend to agree but as I stated before, it not as simple as just a linieity issue. See my other post for some of the reasons. MOSFET |
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