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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / December 2007Need good subwoofer requiring around .65 cubic feet
I have a Dodge Ram 1500. I have a box that fits in the Dodge Ram and has room for two 12" subs, each with .65 cubic feet. I've had JBL's in there in the past, but the sound wasn't good, plus they required a lot more airspace. Does anyone have a recommendation for a speaker requiring very little airspace? Preferably 12" so I can use the box I already have. Thanks in advance! what is your max mounting depth for that box? and do you already have an amp -- takemetoyurled ----------------------------------------------------------------------- takemetoyurledr's Profile: 5581 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/showthread.php?t=28799 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over TWO million posts online  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com also what is your price range -- takemetoyurled ----------------------------------------------------------------------- takemetoyurledr's Profile: 5581 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/showthread.php?t=28799 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over TWO million posts online SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >I have a Dodge Ram 1500. I have a box that fits in the Dodge Ram and > has room for two 12" subs, each with .65 cubic feet. I've had JBL's in > there in the past, but the sound wasn't good, plus they required a lot > more airspace. Does anyone have a recommendation for a speaker > requiring very little airspace? Preferably 12" so I can use the box I > already have. Thanks in advance! Parts Express shows some options in 12" subwoofers. The Dayton RSS315HO-4 only needs 0.7 cu.ft in a sealed box. There are a couple of MA Audio subwoofers which only need 0.8 cu.ft as well. The tradeoff of a small sealed box it that it will tend to need more power. Chris >> I have a Dodge Ram 1500. I have a box that fits in the Dodge Ram and >> has room for two 12" subs, each with .65 cubic feet. I've had JBL's in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Chris Boy are you ever telling the truth. I remember back in the day when 425 watts was NOT enough for a single Kicker Solobaric 12" (back when they were round). Sure, it sounded good, but many times I felt like I needed to get a bigger amp to make that sub sound better. On the flip side, I hope 500 watts is enough for the 2005+ Mustang JL Audio Stealthbox because that is all I was planning on feeding it. I may end up going with a little more power now that I started thinking about it again.... On Dec 24, 1:21 pm, DJ NoMore <djnom...@somewhere.someplace.com> wrote: > >> I have a Dodge Ram 1500. I have a box that fits in the Dodge Ram and > >> has room for two 12" subs, each with .65 cubic feet. I've had JBL's in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > may end up going with a little more power now that I started thinking > about it again.... Thanks for the info guys. I need to see how many watts my amps have. I just noticed that Rockford has a PS3D412 which requires .6 to 1.2 cubic feet. It's a 400-watt speaker. That was recommended by Crutchfield, but what do you guys think? It retails for around $200 though could probably get it for $120 to $130 each. Thanks! > On Dec 24, 1:21 pm, DJ NoMore <djnom...@somewhere.someplace.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Crutchfield, but what do you guys think? It retails for around $200 > though could probably get it for $120 to $130 each. Thanks! I think it is worth a shot, as long as you wire it up right and have the power to drive them. Since they are DVC, you need to find a way to run your setup.... You know, the parallel versus series wiring then stereo versus bridged mono. I really don't envy you with trying to find the best sound setup because I used to stress about that kind of stuff when I had more than one sub in my vehicle, especially if they were DVC. On Dec 25, 10:22 am, DJ NoMore <djnom...@somewhere.someplace.com> wrote: > > On Dec 24, 1:21 pm, DJ NoMore <djnom...@somewhere.someplace.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > best sound setup because I used to stress about that kind of stuff when > I had more than one sub in my vehicle, especially if they were DVC. I have heard the slim fit kickers and pioneer and they dont sound to bad..they both put out about 300 watts i think > On Dec 24, 1:21 pm, DJ NoMore <djnom...@somewhere.someplace.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Crutchfield, but what do you guys think? It retails for around $200 > though could probably get it for $120 to $130 each. Thanks! The ones I mentioned from Parts Express all have superior x-max, lower F(s), better sensitivity and higher power coils which is important with your small enclosures. That's not to say you can't get the same performance with a different RF driver, but the P3SD412 you're looking at is probably not going to be be very satisfying in that small box without hitting the upper end of it's power curve. Chris On Dec 25, 9:36 pm, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at ottelectronics dot com> wrote: > > On Dec 24, 1:21 pm, DJ NoMore <djnom...@somewhere.someplace.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Chris Man, you guys totally rock! I've never posted here until now, but boy am I glad I did. A little more info to share here. If you guys have any specific recommendations on configuration I'd appreciate it. I have a 700-watt Alpine MRP-M350 mono amp http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dChfqPVwMm6/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?I=500MRPM350 &search=MRPM350 A Sony Xplod 4/3 channel XM-SD46X amp http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dChfqPVwMm6/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?g=120&I=158X MSD46X and a Pioneer head unit (DEN-P590001B) with MOSFET amplifier (22 watts RMS/50 peak x 4 channels) http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dChfqPVwMm6/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?I=130dehp590 &search=DEHP5900IB For speakers, I have two Pioneer 2-way speakers in the front doors and 2 Polk 2-way speakers in the rear doors. Sorry, I don't know the models here. Do you think I'd be better off just running one 12" sub? I could certainly do that and would meet my budget even more ;) Or, do you think I have enough power here to run all speakers adequately (including 2 Dayton RSS315HO-4 12" subs)? Also, any suggestions if I go with two subs, should I run them parallel or in series? Thanks again! you could always go with 2 DIYMA 12"s, they only need about .5 cu f -- kahool ----------------------------------------------------------------------- kahooli's Profile: 3430 View this thread: http://www.caraudioforum.com/vbb3/showthread.php?t=28799 CarAudioForum.com - Usenet Gateway w/over TWO million posts online SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > On Dec 25, 9:36 pm, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at > ottelectronics dot com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Thanks again! Assuming you are using the Sony amp to power the (4) 2-way speakers? Which leaves the Alpine for the subwoofer(s) correct? I think you're going to find the Alpine amp a little underpowered for the Dayton speaker in that enclosure. The Dayton has a single 4 ohm coil providing ~200W/sub max. Adding a second 4 ohm sub will get the amp up to 350W output, but that's really ~175W/sub max. With that amp, you're probably best off running a single subwoofer with dual voice coils in parallel, ie: a 2 ohm load. A couple of the MA Audio subs could also handle small boxes and were DVC as well. They required quite a bit of mounting depth though. Do you have a link to the enclosure you're using? If you can cap off one of the subwoofer holes, and cut out the divider, you'll double the airspace and open up the possible subwoofer choices. Chris On Dec 26, 11:22 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at ottelectronics dot com> wrote: > > On Dec 25, 9:36 pm, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at > > ottelectronics dot com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 103 lines] > > Chris Thanks a lot Chris. The box I have is very similar to this one. It's pretty thin in the middle, so I don't know if I could effectively cut a hole in the divider, but maybe so. http://cgi.ebay.com/2002-2007-DODGE-RAM-QUAD-CAB-DUAL-10-12-TRUCK-SUB-BOX_W0QQit emZ300184220948QQihZ020QQcategoryZ50565QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem And yes, I'm using the Sony amp currently for 4 door speakers. I have a JBL GT1200 (about 6" deep and fit fine in the current box) which have specs at: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kenwooditalia.it %2Frisorse%2Fassistenza_upl%2Fprogetto_subwoofer_GT-1200.pdf&ei=qbFyR9bGIIuQgwOI lOiCBw&usg=AFQjCNEcq3gaQ5zu2K-SjlEBDe01VK89bw&sig2=FUfYSCiUXZBFbbA4zsEkAw I just noticed too that there was no polyfill in the box, though I suppose that's a small part of the problem. > On Dec 26, 11:22 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at > [quoted text clipped - 124 lines] > I just noticed too that there was no polyfill in the box, though I > suppose that's a small part of the problem. Also I just noticed ebay has a custom box with 2 10" Kicker competition subs: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE-RAM-SUB-SPEAKER-BOX-KICKER-COMP-C10-inch-SU BS_W0QQitemZ300184452939QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38647QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem Think this is a better option? >> On Dec 26, 11:22 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at >> [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE-RAM-SUB-SPEAKER-BOX-KICKER-COMP-C10-inch-SU BS_W0QQitemZ300184452939QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38647QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem > Think this is a better option? I think you would be better off going with the dual 10" competitions. Assuming they are the same as the old kicker competitions, the 10" seem to do well in small boxes, while producing good bass! In 1991 I made a friend of mine two truck boxes for his regular cab Mitsubishi truck and they sounded awesome for just .75 cubic feet of airspace for each 10 with a RF Punch 150 driving them. I found it easier to make 2 boxes rather than make one box taking into consideration that the transmission/drive shaft hump that ran through the cab behind the seats. I was blasted by my installer friends for going that route, but sound quality is all I cared about! But getting back to the OP... I think you would be better suited for 2 10" woofers rather than 2 12" woofers in that small of an airspace. As for polyfil, you can start an argument that will last a long time on whether it really helps or not. >> On Dec 26, 11:22 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at >> [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DODGE-RAM-SUB-SPEAKER-BOX-KICKER-COMP-C10-inch-SU BS_W0QQitemZ300184452939QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38647QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem > Think this is a better option? Definitely not. Those subwoofers are 8 ohm. Even in parallel your amp will only be able to put 100W into each of them. I think the best match for your amp will be a single sub with 4 ohm DVC's wired in parallel. Chris On Dec 27, 9:45 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at ottelectronics dot com> wrote: > >> On Dec 26, 11:22 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at > [quoted text clipped - 165 lines] > > Chris Chris, how do you feel about two 10" Fosgate P3D210? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OGCM3S/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fenc oding=UTF8&m=ARKIXFDF7XJLA&v=glance Otherwise, I will have to get a new 12" box custom-made with enough airspace. Though I suppose one 12" and a box will be about the same as two 10". Which 12" 4 ohm DVC do you recommend? Think I should just get one Dayton RSS315HO-4 12" ? If so, I could custom-build a box that fits in the Dodge Ram for about 1.5 cubic feet or so. Sound like the best solution? Thanks again for all your help. > On Dec 27, 9:45 am, "Christopher \"Torroid\" Ott" <spamtrap at > ottelectronics dot com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 191 lines] > Chris, how do you feel about two 10" Fosgate P3D210? > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000OGCM3S/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fenc oding=UTF8&m=ARKIXFDF7XJLA&v=glance Again, you're running into trouble with matching impedance to your amplifier. This RF sub is DVC, but they are 2 ohm each, it is optimized for a 2 channel amp, running each channel with a 2 ohm load. Your mono amp will handle a single 2 ohm load. Yes, you could put the two coils in series, but then you're back to a 4 ohm load which does not use the full capacity of your amp. Your amp could run two of these subs, (each subs VC's in series, and the two in parallel) which would be a 2 ohm load, but I think you'll be unhappy with the results, as I'd expect the subs to sound weak as that's still only 175W/sub max. > Otherwise, I will have to get a new 12" box custom-made with enough > airspace. Though I suppose one 12" and a box will be about the same as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the Dodge Ram for about 1.5 cubic feet or so. Sound like the best > solution? Thanks again for all your help. Personally, I think a single 12" would sound good. Something which presents a 2 ohm load to the amp would be ideal, as you'll get the max power it can put out. That limits you to a 2 ohm sub, or a DVC 4 ohm sub in parallel if you want max power from your amp. I would suggest finding a DVC sub you like, which matches your amp, then having a new box made which compliments the sub. Chris >> Also I just noticed ebay has a custom box with 2 10" Kicker >> competition subs: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Chris Doh, good call on the 8 ohm.... I totally missed that one and assumed they were 4 ohm automatically. OTOH, I still think the OP may have better luck finding 10" subs that find better in the .65 cubic foot range versus a 12", but I could be wrong... |
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