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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / May 2004

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Sony CDX-F57500

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Jacek Jurkowski - 27 May 2004 07:59 GMT
What do You think about this?
Geoff Ball - 27 May 2004 08:24 GMT
"Jacek Jurkowski" <jjurkowski@datacomp.szczecin.pl> wrote in news:c943lf
$loe$1@news.onet.pl:

> What do You think about this?

Do you mean the CDX-F5700?

If so, what are you planning on doing with it? 3 Pre-amp outputs is nice,
but they're only 2V. Good RMS and Peak Power, for the average user. Again,
depends on what you're using it for.

Did you bother searching Google for reviews?

Regards,
Geoff
Matt Fletcher - 27 May 2004 22:22 GMT
Geoff whats the benefit of higher voltage output on the pre amps?
thanks

> "Jacek Jurkowski" <jjurkowski@datacomp.szczecin.pl> wrote in news:c943lf
> $loe$1@news.onet.pl:
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> Regards,
> Geoff
Scott Gardner - 27 May 2004 23:13 GMT
It's a benefit for the signal-to-noise ratio, at least in theory.
Assuming that the amount of electrical noise in the head unit is
constant, the higher the preout voltage is, the smaller percentage of
the output signal will be noise.  If you double the output voltage
while keeping the noise level the same, you'll gain about 3 dB on the
signal-to-noise ratio.  Even with a S/N of only 70, which is terribly
low by modern standards, the signal is still ten million times
stronger than the noise.

With just about any modern head unit, the signal-to-noise ratio is
already so high that the benefit of high-voltage preouts is minimal at
best.  It's become more of a marketing term than anything else.
That's why home audio is still using the old standard of about 0.7
volts for preout signals.

Scott Gardner

>Geoff whats the benefit of higher voltage output on the pre amps?
>thanks
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>> Regards,
>> Geoff
Matt Fletcher - 28 May 2004 00:44 GMT
Thanks Scott.
I asked because ive seen two sony head units i like the 7500 and 7700 and
the specs show one has 2v output the other has 4v.
Cheers

> It's a benefit for the signal-to-noise ratio, at least in theory.
> Assuming that the amount of electrical noise in the head unit is
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> >> Regards,
> >> Geoff
Scott Gardner - 28 May 2004 01:25 GMT
Like I said, if all else is equal, the only difference between 2V
preouts and 4V preouts will be an unnoticeable 3 dB difference in the
signal-to-noise ratio.

That's not to say that "all else" is always equal, though.  When
Alpine came out with the 7909 years back, it was a phenomenal-sounding
unit.  It also had preout voltages that were quite high for the time.
I'm just saying that it didn't sound as good as it did solely because
of the high pre-out voltage.  The rest of the circuity and design had
more to do with it.

Scott Gardner

>Thanks Scott.
>I asked because ive seen two sony head units i like the 7500 and 7700 and
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>> >> Regards,
>> >> Geoff
Matt Fletcher - 28 May 2004 01:47 GMT
Yeah they are both very similar so its a case of which one i like the look
of and the one with the features for me .
thanks
> Like I said, if all else is equal, the only difference between 2V
> preouts and 4V preouts will be an unnoticeable 3 dB difference in the
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> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Geoff
 
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