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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / June 20046 Pin Mini-Din Balanced Connectors/Cables - All the same?
Are the pin-outs on the 6 pin, mini-din balanced connectors used by Fosgate, Zapco and ESX Q amps the same? If so, what about Zapco crossovers which say they get their power from the Symbilink cable? Do Zapco balanced mini-dins require external power to the cable itself, other than from the source unit? Thanks, merc > Are the pin-outs on the 6 pin, mini-din balanced connectors used by Fosgate, > Zapco and ESX Q amps the same? I'd like to know the answer to this as well. I have a Zapco DAC and an ESX amp... > If so, what about Zapco crossovers which say they get their power from the > Symbilink cable? Do Zapco balanced mini-dins require external power to the > cable itself, other than from the source unit? Not sure what you're asking here. The power cable and the signal cable are two different things on the pieces I've seen. Well, although I haven't heard back from Bob at Zapco(left him phonemail and email), I did contact my nearest dealer and he told me that he didn't "think" that the Zapco gear's balanced connections were compatable with any other gear...? Why can't sites have some tech stuff on their site if they can't provide good tech support directly??? Hopefully, Zapco Bob will get back to me with the ultimate correct answer to this question? > > Are the pin-outs on the 6 pin, mini-din balanced connectors used by > Fosgate, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Not sure what you're asking here. The power cable and the signal cable are > two different things on the pieces I've seen. > Well, although I haven't heard back from Bob at Zapco(left him phonemail and > email), I did contact my nearest dealer and he told me that he didn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Hopefully, Zapco Bob will get back to me with the ultimate correct answer to > this question? If Bob doesn't know, they can sometimes set you up to talk with someone who does some more hands on. That's what they did for me when I had a question regarding the anti-jitter circuit in my DAC. Anyway, I wouldn't get your hopes up about them knowing. ESX wasn't exactly a big company, and they're now defunct. At least the original Zed audio version is. thats one of the problems.. out of the MANY MANY types of connectors used since the first hi fi car audio, the only one everyone seems to agree on is the RCAs...... Balanced line could be better, but is pretty useless the way manufacturers have been making it over the last decades.... There are no standards, one manufacturer makes it one way, another manufacturer uses different connectors and there are virtually NO HEADUNITS that support it at all... It seems pretty simple to me, a balanced input should be able to hook up to ANY outputs, so they only need to standardize the connector and then supply a connector with a loose pigtail with each amp.. with the pigtail you could wire it to RCAs from a headunit or you could wire it to the speaker wires from a headunit, even a factory headunit... Once they do this headunit manufacturers would likely catch on and want to add the same type of connectors for outputs.... but, its car audio, standards have always been very illusive... In the old days ALL PIONEER and ALPINE and BLAUPUNKT had DIN connectors on em, they claimed much better N RCAs for car use... TRUE, but all the DINS were different and not compatable...RCAs were all the same so even though they were inferior, they became the standard.. good luck trying to change things... Eddie Runner > > Well, although I haven't heard back from Bob at Zapco(left him phonemail > and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > hopes up about them knowing. ESX wasn't exactly a big company, and they're > now defunct. At least the original Zed audio version is. Hi Dad :) Good to see you again. Sorry I've been gone for so long, but now I'm back... and maybe I need to bring my old-assed RX7 by for some new installs.... :D merc tROCS #116 > thats one of the problems.. out of the MANY MANY types of connectors > used since the first hi fi car audio, the only one everyone seems to agree [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > hopes up about them knowing. ESX wasn't exactly a big company, and they're > > now defunct. At least the original Zed audio version is. > It seems pretty simple to me, a balanced input should be able to hook > up to ANY outputs, so they only need to standardize the connector and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > do this headunit manufacturers would likely catch on and want to add the > same type of connectors for outputs.... Very good points. It seems to me that the most effective standard would be to go to the RCA balanced connector. No proprietary connectors or cables, and a lot of equipment is already using this. > In the old days ALL PIONEER and ALPINE and BLAUPUNKT had > DIN connectors on em, they claimed much better N RCAs for car use... > TRUE, but all the DINS were different and not compatable...RCAs were > all the same so even though they were inferior, they became the standard.. The Blau DINs were especially troublesome because the equipment (including the amps) never had RCA inputs in addition to the DIN, and if you weren't using all Blaupunkt and lost the adapter you were screwed because they charged out the a.s for them. > Very good points. It seems to me that the most effective standard would be > to go to the RCA balanced connector. No proprietary connectors or cables, > and a lot of equipment is already using this. But that might be too confusing.... RCAs are NOT balanced, the wires are not balanced since one is sheild and one is a smaller wire, AND the RCA connectors on ALL the headunits and AMPS we have now are of course NOT BALANCED, primary problem is all amps use a common signal ground for the RCA pairs... NOT BALANCED.... So by making RCSa that ARE balanced on the amp end, might really confuse folks... I used to install alot of police sirens, the radio input to the siren (like you would hear the radio talking coming out of a firetruck at a fire scene) is usually a balanced input, you can run virtually ANY audio source into it from a two way radio of course, to a car stereo or a TV or just about anything without ground loop problems or any other problems... > The Blau DINs were especially troublesome because the equipment (including > the amps) never had RCA inputs in addition to the DIN, and if you weren't > using all Blaupunkt and lost the adapter you were screwed because they > charged out the a.s for them. No different for ANY of the brands I mentioned, Alpine for a short time had both RCA and DIN, but for years we had to use the adapters... Not hard at all to make as the DIN connectors were aval at any radio shack, we just soldered RCAs on them and made our own connecotrs, the Pioneers had a bigger connector not avail at radioshack, we had to cut extension cables and solder RCAs on them to make adapters.... Eddie Runner Actually, I really like the home audio/pro audio type locking balanced connectors. Even if they are too big for car audio, why not have some sort of half sized balanced connectors which lock into place and require pushing the small release tab to get them back out again. Hell, in mobile audio those locking connectors would be worth almost as much as them being balanced... IMO. Take care, merc > > Very good points. It seems to me that the most effective standard would be > > to go to the RCA balanced connector. No proprietary connectors or cables, [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Eddie Runner > Actually, I really like the home audio/pro audio type locking balanced > connectors. Even if they are too big for car audio, why not have some sort [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Take care, > merc Go here : http://www.switchcraft.com/ Search for: TA3 Wola! There's your connector. They are very common for use on wireless beltpacks for pro audio use, They can take a beating, and sweat! Chad I like em too, but they are too big for car audio... wonder if they couldnt just make a mini version of them..?? > Actually, I really like the home audio/pro audio type locking balanced > connectors. Even if they are too big for car audio, why not have some sort [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > > Eddie Runner Hey MZ, Zapco Bob just got back to me and affirmed that the Rockford Fosgate mini-din balanced connectors are the same as the Zapco one.... He didn't mention anything about the ESX Q (Zed Audio) amps though....? Take Care, merc > > Well, although I haven't heard back from Bob at Zapco(left him phonemail > and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > hopes up about them knowing. ESX wasn't exactly a big company, and they're > now defunct. At least the original Zed audio version is. > Hey MZ, > > Zapco Bob just got back to me and affirmed that the Rockford Fosgate > mini-din balanced connectors are the same as the Zapco one.... > He didn't mention anything about the ESX Q (Zed Audio) amps though....? It's worth a try. If you don't want to blindly test it out on your ESX, sell me a cable and I'll let you know how it turns out. :) |
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