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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / July 2004Is it OK to bang on houses with rubber mallets?
I'd like to know the difference between running up to someone's home and pounding on it with a big rubber mallet (muted, heavy vibrations) vs. driving down a street sending out bass shock-waves that affect many homes at once. If you can see that it's obnoxious to walk up to someone's house and shake the hell out of it with direct impacts, why is it any less obnoxious to do it from a distance with subwoofers? Step back from your noisy self-absorption for a just a moment and really think about that concept. If someone came to _your_ house when you were trying to relax or sleep and started slamming it with a mallet, you know you'd be angry to the point of violence. So, with that in mind, think about _others_ the next time you spam high pressure lows all over a neighborhood. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. P.S. Don't waste time saying things like "I play MY music responsibly, so don't lump ME into a group." Of course I'm not talking about YOU if that's really the case. If you truly share a concern for the abuse of car stereos, focus your energy on the thousands of callous boomers, not the residents who complain about them. It's a funny human trait that members of a larger group are so unwilling to criticize the worst of their lot. Give it a rest, SPAMMER! i'm making sure i bring my suburban with the 4 meyer sound 18"s by your house tonight just for being an idiot! DJ TecThreat The Real Thret Bangs heavey bass in the vehicle AND in the venues. > I'd like to know the difference between running up to someone's home > and pounding on it with a big rubber mallet (muted, heavy vibrations) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that members of a larger group are so unwilling to criticize the worst > of their lot. > Give it a rest, SPAMMER! i'm making sure i bring my suburban with the 4 > meyer sound 18"s by your house tonight just for being an idiot! I'll assume this particular reply is a joke since you sound reasonable further down in the thread. But the typical boom-monkey has zero conscience about their actions. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague Aww, come here, it'll be okay *hugs* > I'd like to know the difference between running up to someone's home > and pounding on it with a big rubber mallet (muted, heavy vibrations) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that members of a larger group are so unwilling to criticize the worst > of their lot. Everything you said is absolutely correct. The "mallet" analogy you used is perfectly fitting and emphasizes the point well. However, while I'm in agreement with what you said, I think it's worth noting that the efforts to try to solve these issues with legislation are deplorable, stereotypical, and downright unfair. Bass music coming from cars is just one road noise of many. To outlaw one would require outlawing all of them, if lawmakers wanted to be consistent (which I guess would be a first, huh?). This wouldn't go over well with the thousands of Harley enthusiasts, people who park their semis at their residences, etc. I think folks like you and I that aren't interested in hearing people's music blaring at us or aren't impressed that their equipment can rattle our walls just need to take the "tolerance" approach. I tolerate these numbskulls' practices for the same reason I tolerate my neighbors having a loud graduation party for their kids, or my neighbors driving their semi to their house at 3 AM which shakes MY entire house, or some guy taking off on his Harley making me nearly jump out of my skin when I'm not expecting it. Unfortunately for the bassheads, they tend to be made up of a bunch of simpletons who don't know how to compromise. I anticipate it being illegal and enforced in most states within 5 years. It's already illegal in some places. > I'd like to know the difference between running up to someone's home > and pounding on it with a big rubber mallet (muted, heavy vibrations) [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > that members of a larger group are so unwilling to criticize the worst > of their lot. all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? oh wait- were EVERYWHERE!!! so maybe you should consider looking for a pair of EAR PLUGS! > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? > oh wait- were EVERYWHERE!!! > so maybe you should consider looking for a pair of EAR PLUGS! Or a pair of Adire Brahma's...... I was kidding about the whole blasting the subs thing, i dont purposly go around annoying people and trying to wake them up in the middle of the night, infact if its past like 5:00pm then i only turn it up when i'm on the highway (which is already loud from traffic). You do have a point, but come on here, spamming it around is not going to get you anywhere becuase now you're annoying the people that annoy you and 2 wrongs dont make a right. DJ TecThreat The Real Threat > > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > DJ TecThreat > The Real Threat winkenstein says; I agree with this, and I do not purposely go out of my way either to annoy others, and if it does sincerely bother others that much, than i truely am sorry for that - BUT AS MY PARENTS AND NEIGHBORS HAVE BOTH FREQUENTLY SAID, "I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE YOU SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON YOUR HOBBIES, THAN SEE YOU SPEND A NICKLE ON DRUGS AND/OR ALCOHAL > winkenstein says; I agree with this, and I do not purposely go out of > my way either to annoy others, and if it does sincerely bother others > that much, than i truely am sorry for that - BUT AS MY PARENTS AND > NEIGHBORS HAVE BOTH FREQUENTLY SAID, "I WOULD MUCH RATHER SEE YOU > SPENDING YOUR MONEY ON YOUR HOBBIES, THAN SEE YOU SPEND A NICKLE ON > DRUGS AND/OR ALCOHAL How about spending it on a spell checker? > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? > oh wait- were EVERYWHERE!!! > so maybe you should consider looking for a pair of EAR PLUGS! Do some people really think like this? Are you honestly that dumb? MZ wrote: "Do some people really think like this? Are you honestly that dumb?" Yes, Mark...some people really think like this. And yes, he is that dumb. It always amazes me at the sheer number of heated replies these sorts of posts attract. I find myself turning my stereo down when I'm stopped at a red light just out of consideration of everyone around me. Number 1, my stereo gets really freaking loud and number 2, I'm assuming not everyone shares my taste for good music. I dunno...I guess I'm more considerate than most people. Tony  SignatureWhat's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact > > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? > > oh wait- were EVERYWHERE!!! > > so maybe you should consider looking for a pair of EAR PLUGS! > > Do some people really think like this? Are you honestly that dumb? > MZ wrote: "Do some people really think like this? Are you honestly that > dumb?" > > Yes, Mark...some people really think like this. And yes, he is that dumb. NO; I am not really that dumb, I AM Just annoyed by all controversy that is caused by this Hobby, I Do Not Go Out Of My Way To Annoy People - My Parents and Neighbors both have repeatedly said, "I Would Much Rather See You Enjoying Yourself and Your Hobbies and Spend Yourself Broke on Your Car and it's Stereo, Than Buy an Once of Alchohol or Drugs!!!" > NO; I am not really that dumb, I AM Just annoyed by all controversy > that is caused by this Hobby, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yourself and Your Hobbies and Spend Yourself Broke on Your Car and > it's Stereo, Than Buy an Once of Alchohol or Drugs!!!" But some people, myself included, couldn't care less what drugs you do or what hobbies you enjoy. These people don't want to listen to your stupid music. It's really that simple. but what if his hobby is "forcing others to listen to my crappy music"? FHLH....... it's kids that don't drink and do drugs that give this hobby a bad image.... > > NO; I am not really that dumb, I AM Just annoyed by all controversy > > that is caused by this Hobby, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > what hobbies you enjoy. These people don't want to listen to your stupid > music. It's really that simple. > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? > oh wait- were EVERYWHERE!!! > so maybe you should consider looking for a pair of EAR PLUGS! If you really think that way you're just no damned good. Ear plugs don't even block super-low bass because it's a felt phenomenon. But you are correct in saying that boom-rats have infested even the most rural areas, including some national parks. It's a contagious disease with no conscience. One idiot hears another and thinks "I gotta get me some o dat big boom! I gotta get even biggah boom dan dat guy so da sluts will love me!" And before you know it, every idiot within hearing distance is wasting money on overkill systems. It's never been about sound quality. Inside a car, boom bass is painful to listen to and drowns out the rest of the music, so it's mostly about showing off for other IQ-75 dummies. And all that eardrum-flapping will come back to haunt you with tinnitus and deafness as you age. I just wish the rest of us didn't have to deal with it in the meantime. E.A. http://enough_already.tripod.com/ If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. > > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you really think that way you're just no damned good. Ear plugs > don't even block super-low bass because it's a felt phenomenon. It's also non-directional, so how do you know its coming from us?? > But you are correct in saying that boom-rats have infested even the > most rural areas, including some national parks. It's a contagious [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > within hearing distance is wasting money on overkill systems. It's > never been about sound quality. See, how can you ask for justice and fairness from us when you say things like that? using cleche's and insults will once again get you nowhere when you are trying to make someone stop doing something. > Inside a car, boom bass is painful to listen to and drowns out the > rest of the music, so it's mostly about showing off for other IQ-75 > dummies. And all that eardrum-flapping will come back to haunt you > with tinnitus and deafness as you age. I just wish the rest of us > didn't have to deal with it in the meantime. How do you know its painful?? You can NOT say that for sure becuase that is opionionated. On another level, my full range speakers are heard and my subwoofers are not, they are tuned low, they are completley inaudible to the human ear and no one can actually "hear" my subs. Bottom line is- You're going about this all wrong, its people like you that make people that are loud and annoying ignore your request for us to turn it down. Instead off trying to gather up a bunch of people to point the finger, why not help relocate the noise? get involved in it and help propogate events where people can go compete and play their stereos as loud as they want without disturbing people in their homes. http://www.termpro.com I play my system responsibly, but i can certainly say that if i did not and you came to me with this attitude i wouldnt change my tune any sooner. (no pun intended). DJ TecThreat The Real Threat > Instead off trying to gather up a bunch of people to point the > finger, why not help relocate the noise? get involved in it and help > propogate events where people can go compete and play their stereos as loud > as they want without disturbing people in their homes. Why should he? It's not his responsibility. Don't feed the imbeciles that get off on "competing". I've never been able to figure out why people feel the need to "compete" anyway. If you're into competitions, play a sport. Don't buy other people's equipment and have other people install it and then claim to go out and "compete" with it. If you designed and built all the equipment, then maybe you wouldn't look so foolish flaunting it. (DJ, by "you" I don't mean you specifically. I mean "competitors". Then again, if the shoe fits...) > > Instead off trying to gather up a bunch of people to point the > > finger, why not help relocate the noise? get involved in it and help [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Why should he? It's not his responsibility. Don't feed the imbeciles that > get off on "competing". I'm not telling him he has to be, but being grumpy about it isnt getting him anywhere.. > I've never been able to figure out why people feel the need to "compete" > anyway. If you're into competitions, play a sport. Don't buy other > people's equipment and have other people install it and then claim to go out > and "compete" with it. If you designed and built all the equipment, then > maybe you wouldn't look so foolish flaunting it. Thats pretty much besides the point, i personally dont compete, i just build my systems for sheer joy of it, trying new configurations and install styles.. making things work that would ordinarily, using things that you would normally use (hence my meyer sound subs), etc... > (DJ, by "you" I don't mean you specifically. I mean "competitors". Then > again, if the shoe fits...) Hey, i understand, i dont compete and do build my own systems, never had anyone install it for me.... How would i look flaunting another's work? "Tony Fernandes" <tbone407*nospam*@charter.net> wrote in message news:10f37ht4m0sb13d@corp.supernews.com. >Is that a real question? You think we're all that stupid? Nope, that was a joke just to combat his bantering about how stupid he likes to think we are. > This whole thread is about opinions. However, you're right...he doesn't > know for sure what the volume level is inside YOUR car. But it's safe to > assume that bass notes inside the car are pretty damn loud if they're > rattling the dishes in my cupboards, for example Yes you are right, this whole thread IS about opinions but when you start calling people names and using stereotypical methods for cropping all car audio enthuisiests into a group of loud immature punks then you're stepping on my toes. He claims he is not doing this, but he very well is doing it. And foremore Bass doesnt hurt.. this kind of ludicracy is the type of thing activist thrive on. Without it they have no arguement so they simply go around picking out things that rarely occour and they generalize it to an entire group of people. IMO, i wont tolerate it or be treated like i dont deserve any respect becuase i have a loud stereo system. > Really? You evidently don't know very much about your hobby. You're going to honestly sit there and tell me that you CAN hear 20hz?? I find that hard to believe. If we're not factoring noises created by the bass (literally non in my case) then 20hz is NOT something you can just hear unless ofcourse you are a freak of nature. DJ TecThreat The Real Threat DJ TecThreat wrote: "You're going to honestly sit there and tell me that you CAN hear 20hz?? I find that hard to believe. If we're not factoring noises created by the bass (literally non in my case) then 20hz is NOT something you can just hear unless of course you are a freak of nature." Nope...no freak of nature here. But unless you have your subs low-passed at 20Hz with a very exceptionally steep crossover, I rest my case. Tony SignatureWhat's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact > Nope...no freak of nature here. But unless you have your subs low-passed at > 20Hz with a very exceptionally steep crossover, I rest my case. Who said i was using a crossover as a crossover? > What Meyer subs are you using? The lowest that the Meyers are designed to > play in their optimum enviroment (Half-space loading, as a pair, driven with > Meyer amps and processing) is 28Hz. Even then they are already at > -6dB. Sure the raw drivers could physically play that low, but not enough to > shake everything or be worthwhile. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So what's the point to have a system that can play that low when not much > even has the content? And is it worth giving up an entire octave to acheive > it? I wouldn't think so, just be responsible and you don't have to worry > about it. The subs were taken out of 2 700-HP's that had extensive box damage and i picked them up from a local sound company for around $400 (both) and while i didnt need them for SR or DJ work i was left with 4 18" perfectly fine subwoofers so i used them in my vehicle. The new boxes are tuned that low and the subs are crossed that low using a 31-band 1/3 octave eq. And despite that fact that their is no content, they recieve quite a bit and produce a very smooth low toned bass i've crossed them higher out of experiment and they produce "more" than when they had before but its not what i want. I'm not missing an octave from what i hear becuase also with the 3-way component system (A/D/S) mounted upfront there are a set of ID 8" subs mounted in the floor with a fiberglass enclosure that recieve the frequencies that are missed by my subs and components. The systems has a very dynamic response. DJ TecThreat The Real Threat > > Nope...no freak of nature here. But unless you have your subs low-passed > at > > 20Hz with a very exceptionally steep crossover, I rest my case. > > Who said i was using a crossover as a crossover? So you're claiming you're playing just 20 Hz through your subs and nothing higher? Right... > The new boxes are tuned that low and the subs are crossed that low using a > 31-band 1/3 octave eq. And despite that fact that their is no content, they > recieve quite a bit and produce a very smooth low toned bass i've crossed > them higher out of experiment and they produce "more" than when they had > before but its not what i want. So how do you know they're only producing 20Hz? How did you make the measurement? > I'm not missing an octave from what i hear becuase also with the 3-way > component system (A/D/S) mounted upfront there are a set of ID 8" subs > mounted in the floor with a fiberglass enclosure that recieve the > frequencies that are missed by my subs and components. The systems has a > very dynamic response. A very dynamic response? What does that mean? > > > Nope...no freak of nature here. But unless you have your subs > low-passed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So you're claiming you're playing just 20 Hz through your subs and nothing > higher? Right... I'm only sending them 20hz...... > > The new boxes are tuned that low and the subs are crossed that low using a > > 31-band 1/3 octave eq. And despite that fact that their is no content, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > So how do you know they're only producing 20Hz? How did you make the > measurement? I dont know for absolute sure, i've never attempted to measure the system in tems of frequency response, but naturally if i have almost every other frequency cut, 20hz is pretty much all they see. > > I'm not missing an octave from what i hear becuase also with the 3-way > > component system (A/D/S) mounted upfront there are a set of ID 8" subs [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > A very dynamic response? What does that mean? I'm just saying that i'm not missing a significat amount from the actual recording. My system produces all the intended frequencies at my desired volume. When i play CD's in my truck i hear all the things i hear when i play them in my Yorkville system in my house. DJ TecThreat The Real Threat > > So you're claiming you're playing just 20 Hz through your subs and nothing > > higher? Right... > > I'm only sending them 20hz...... You play 20 Hz tones all day? How boring... > > > The new boxes are tuned that low and the subs are crossed that low using > a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > tems of frequency response, but naturally if i have almost every other > frequency cut, 20hz is pretty much all they see. How are you cutting the frequencies? Are you using a 50th order digital filter? > > > I'm not missing an octave from what i hear becuase also with the 3-way > > > component system (A/D/S) mounted upfront there are a set of ID 8" subs [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > volume. When i play CD's in my truck i hear all the things i hear when i > play them in my Yorkville system in my house. Just how much 20Hz content is "intended"? > > > So you're claiming you're playing just 20 Hz through your subs and > nothing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You play 20 Hz tones all day? How boring... No, actually the subs only see 20hz > > > > The new boxes are tuned that low and the subs are crossed that low > using [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > How are you cutting the frequencies? Are you using a 50th order digital > filter? Crossover and 1/3 octave EQ > > > > I'm not missing an octave from what i hear becuase also with the 3-way > > > > component system (A/D/S) mounted upfront there are a set of ID 8" subs [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just how much 20Hz content is "intended"? The other speakers in the system produce the frequencies above 20 hz... DJ TecThreat The Real Threat > > You play 20 Hz tones all day? How boring... > > No, actually the subs only see 20hz No, they're not. You should learn how filters work. > > How are you cutting the frequencies? Are you using a 50th order digital > > filter? > > Crossover and 1/3 octave EQ Unless you custom designed this filter to have an incredible rolloff, then this isn't cutting everything above 20 Hz. You can do this maybe with a 50th order filter. Most likely, your filter is 2nd order, or at best 4th order. And you also don't know for sure where your crossover point is. > > Just how much 20Hz content is "intended"? > > The other speakers in the system produce the frequencies above 20 hz... For most types of music, the 20Hz and below band usually contains a tiny amount of the total signal. You need maybe a watt to reproduce it. Want me to prove it? Send me a song and I'll tell you how much <20Hz content it contains. My bullshit meter is going off big time... > The subs were taken out of 2 700-HP's that had extensive box damage and i > picked them up from a local sound company for around $400 (both) and while i [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > them higher out of experiment and they produce "more" than when they had > before but its not what i want. That box is probably an alignment nightmare. Those drivers have an FS that is way higher than your assumed tuning freq, with a low crossover and low tuning you are probably only damaging an otherwise excellent driver that would sound great for it's intended purpose. Meyer never intended these drivers to go this low and they get them down to 30Hz with EXTENSIVE processing and driver control. They claim a usable freq response down to 28 and I imagine that at -10dB. An EQ is not a crossover. Even with all the faders dumped it only cuts it's intended amount not X dB per octave unless you are using a LPF function. With all faders dumped it also will cause an artoutoius phase response problem. That said a properly designed enclosure using "low efficiency" long throw drivers will be more efficient than the Meyer loaded enclosure. I admire your diligence for using pro audio drivers, I have many times in the past. Hint, Try them free air. Your power handling MAY decrease a TAD (poorly aligned box VS free air) but you will find they will play lower and smoother. Also note (I know you are a pro guy from AAPLS) Alto is now making a DSP for cars much like the ones we are used to, Peep it: http://www.altomobile.com/html/processors.html Got your brain turning now eh? You could drop down to 1 (X) 18", cut Meyer's box design in half, and process the hell out of it like they do. I'll bet it will smoke your 4 (X) 18" config you have now. And gain you some cargo space :) Chad > > The subs were taken out of 2 700-HP's that had extensive box damage and i > > picked them up from a local sound company for around $400 (both) and while [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Chad Will have to keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up... When i built this system i was seriously considering using Pro sound processing in it (Behringer Ultracurve or DBX Driverack 260) but i didnt, i ended up using standard car audio crossovers and a couple pro sound EQ's. (DBX 31-Band 1/3 octave stereo and Ashly 31-Band 1/3 Octave stereo) Powered from a high quality inverter. DJ TecThreat The Real Threat > Will have to keep that in mind, thanks for the heads up... When i built > this system i was seriously considering using Pro sound processing in it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > DJ TecThreat > The Real Threat One can loose the inverter with a cheap (free) small blown amp. Cut the rails loose regulate them down to 15V and use them for the EQ's / crossover. If you go in at the input of the rectifier you don't have to worry about polarity, With the proper find (real cheapo) the rails are low enough you don't have to drop them down. If you regulate to 15V then go in after the rectifier to avoid the .7V loss for each diode (2 not 4, 2 ain't workin) For crossovers you can pick up a pair of Rane AC23's for cheap and power them in the same manner, they want 17V, no biggie as you will never hit +22dB. Rane's website gives instructions as to how to alter the filters to change their sweep, (you don't have to settle for 70Hz for the lowest sub XO) Use High quality 1% tolerance components or it will oscillate like a big dog. Wola, cheap power supply, (no 120V in car). And crossovers off Ebay. Going digital this way would be more difficult as you would have to derive 3.3V, 5V, audio rails, and sometimes isolated 12V. It can be done using the HV and LV rails of a cheapo smoker but regulate them very well on the digital side, mistakes become expensive! Chad "DJ TecThreat" <beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM> > The subs were taken out of 2 700-HP's that had extensive box damage and i > picked them up from a local sound company for around $400 (both) and while i [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The new boxes are tuned that low and the subs are crossed that low using a > 31-band 1/3 octave eq. An EQ is NOT a crossover, nor does it function as such. You can cut every fader above 20Hz and you still are only cutting 12dB max on the units you have, So they will still allow those frequencies to pass just 12dB lower. So by the time you got the subs loud enough to amplify any 20Hz material you would be playing the other freqs as well. And then the phase response issues... jeez those poor subs. Put the output on an o-scope and play some noise through it you would be surprised at what you see. And despite that fact that their is no content, they > recieve quite a bit and produce a very smooth low toned bass i've crossed > them higher out of experiment and they produce "more" than when they had [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > frequencies that are missed by my subs and components. The systems has a > very dynamic response. Do you really think that the ID8s are going to handle content from 40hz to 80hz with reasonable output? I don't think so. I have some IDQ8s and they are great as middbass drivers (or smaller lower powered subs) But they are not going to cover what you are asking them to. DJ, you may have you system setup this way, I don't know. But I do know that it will not work the way you are saying it does based on the information provided. Also, just because it's not heard doesn't mean it is not annoying. Earthquakes are not heard (buildings and other things shifting make the noises) but they are damned annoying things, just ask anyone who's been in one. Les >Also, just because it's not heard doesn't mean it is not annoying. >Earthquakes are not heard (buildings and other things shifting make the >noises) but they are damned annoying things, just ask anyone who's been in >one. The Northridge Earthquake sucked.... > >Also, just because it's not heard doesn't mean it is not annoying. > >Earthquakes are not heard (buildings and other things shifting make the > >noises) but they are damned annoying things, just ask anyone who's been in > >one. > > The Northridge Earthquake sucked.... I was under the impression everyone loved it. >>>Also, just because it's not heard doesn't mean it is not annoying. >>>Earthquakes are not heard (buildings and other things shifting make the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I was under the impression everyone loved it. most people on the east coast did "DJ TecThreat" <beaniATcharterDOTnetNOSPAM> wrote in message > > Really? You evidently don't know very much about your hobby. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > DJ TecThreat > The Real Threat What Meyer subs are you using? The lowest that the Meyers are designed to play in their optimum enviroment (Half-space loading, as a pair, driven with Meyer amps and processing) is 28Hz. Even then they are already at -6dB. Sure the raw drivers could physically play that low, but not enough to shake everything or be worthwhile. On another note, if you only feel the bass and don't hear it then you are missing an entire octave! Where does it go? And how can you like it? And what music actually has content that low? I can think of a couple of things and they are not something you are just going to listen too day in and out. So what's the point to have a system that can play that low when not much even has the content? And is it worth giving up an entire octave to acheive it? I wouldn't think so, just be responsible and you don't have to worry about it. Les MZ Wrote: > > Instead off trying to gather up a bunch of people to point the > > finger, why not help relocate the noise? get involved in it an [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Then > again, if the shoe fits...) Do you make all of your own clothes? If not, quit flaunting them. G naked. I live on a golf course, golfers hit their balls into my hous non-stop. Do I cry about it...no. Quit mowing your grass then..to loud!! Chainsaws..too loud!!...Motorcycles..too loud!! Can't play an sports either..all types of equipment is made, to compete with! -- ALK > Do you make all of your own clothes? If not, quit flaunting them. I don't flaunt them. Let me guess...you're one of those dopes who pays $100 for sneakers, right? > Go > naked. I live on a golf course, golfers hit their balls into my house > non-stop. Do I cry about it...no. Quit mowing your grass then..too > loud!! Chainsaws..too loud!!...Motorcycles..too loud!! Can't play any > sports either..all types of equipment is made, to compete with!! Obviously, you missed my point completely. That's to be expected by a CAFer I suppose... "It's also non-directional, so how do you know its coming from us??" Is that a real question? You think we're all that stupid? "How do you know its painful?? You can NOT say that for sure becuase that is opionionated." This whole thread is about opinions. However, you're right...he doesn't know for sure what the volume level is inside YOUR car. But it's safe to assume that bass notes inside the car are pretty damn loud if they're rattling the dishes in my cupboards, for example. "On another level, my full range speakers are heard and my subwoofers are not, they are tuned low, they are completley inaudible to the human ear and no one can actually "hear" my subs." Really? You evidently don't know very much about your hobby. Tony SignatureWhat's more likely? That an all-powerful mysterious god created the universe and then decided not to give any proof of his existence? Or, that he simply doesn't exist at all? And that we created him so that we wouldn't have to feel so small and alone. -Eleanor Arroway, Contact You preach a pretty good line of self-righteous indignation, right up to the point where you resort to racist comments. Took you all of one response to one person you didn't agree with to drop that high tone. Don't worry though, we all know you're just really frustrated and don't really hate minorities. And, your choice to post this type of material into a newsgroup that is largely oriented towards a hobby that while populated by many different kinds of peoples with different tastes, backgrounds, and other characteristics also includes a typical percentage of fanatics that populate it is really just an effort to educate those people, right? No reason why you'd stop by here otherwise, surely... As to your signature, that misogyny keep you up much nights? JD > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >If any other species behaved like Man we'd call it a plague. > O.K., O.K., let's drop this subject, and yes you are right - i appologize for my lack of concern for the people who do not like or want to hear my preferences' in music (boy - this sure is a touchy subject). and i appologize for my improper spelling - that is an area i have never been blessed in. the subject of loud boomy systems bothers some individuals, and to those that it does bother I apologize (for myself and everyone else). so... all of us out there (NOT JUST ME) Need to learn to be more considerate of the others surrounding us, all of us need to get along, or this world will cease to exsist. I appologize to anyone i've upset (and i'm sure the rest of us out there do so also). now- let's move on to another subject - and try to put this all behind us. K? thank you. it's we're. and it's a.sholes like you that give this hobby a bad name. FHLH.... f.cking asshats. > all I got to say is - if it bothers you that much, Why don't you move > away to some place where that problem doesn't exist? > oh wait- were EVERYWHERE!!! > so maybe you should consider looking for a pair of EAR PLUGS! STFU already. This forum wasn't set up to have aggrivated spams flame hobby they don't understand. Take it somewhere else -- Barbell Fien > STFU already. This forum wasn't set up to have aggrivated spams flame a > hobby they don't understand. Take it somewhere else. He didn't post it to your forum, genius. He posted it to rec.audio.car, an unmoderated usenet group. If you have a problem with the content, tell the maintainer of your stupid a.s forum not to grab posts from rec.audio.car anymore. As far as its appropriateness on r.a.c., it's entirely on-topic. "a hobby they don't understand"???? I don't understand that statement! Do you mean, you feel it's perfectly acceptable to wake me at night, or rattle my mirrors at a stoplight with your THUMP??? I don't give a rats a.s what ANYONE'S "hobby" is, but if it infringes on the rights or privacy of others, it's not a hobby, it's a NUISANCE! --Mike > STFU already. This forum wasn't set up to have aggrivated spams flame a > hobby they don't understand. Take it somewhere else. > "a hobby they don't understand"???? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > infringes on the rights or privacy of others, it's not a hobby, it's a > NUISANCE! I completely agree with what you said, except that this really isn't a privacy issue. do I really have to reply to such an asshat? FHLH.... it's not a webforum , fuckstick. > STFU already. This forum wasn't set up to have aggrivated spams flame a > hobby they don't understand. Take it somewhere else. > > do I really have to reply to such an asshat? > > FHLH.... it's not a webforum , fuckstick. > > STFU already. This forum wasn't set up to have aggrivated spams flame a > > hobby they don't understand. Take it somewhere else. THANK YOU, I AGREE!!! GET THE f.ck OFF OF THIS SUBJECT, WE'RE ALL GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF IT. move on to something new already, don't bug us about it anymore. oh, and by the way..... FHLH, the word "asshat" that is such a funny and useful word "I Like It!" i'm gonna say it all day at work, asshat, asshat, asshat! > THANK YOU, I AGREE!!! > GET THE f.ck OFF OF THIS SUBJECT, WE'RE ALL GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF IT. > > move on to something new already, don't bug us about it anymore. Um...you do realize that you can simply choose not to read further replies in this thread, don't you? Or is CAF's "web forum" somehow unable to supply you with that feature? buncha maROONS... I say we keep the topic going... FHLH.......perhaps the owner of that pos forum will finally decide to stop stealing our material. > > THANK YOU, I AGREE!!! > > GET THE f.ck OFF OF THIS SUBJECT, WE'RE ALL GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF IT. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in this thread, don't you? Or is CAF's "web forum" somehow unable to supply > you with that feature? |
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