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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / September 2004

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newbe - how do I best power new speakers?

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alex - 31 Aug 2004 03:14 GMT
I bought some pioneer 3-way speakers to replace the old stock units in
my van. The van has 6.5" speakers in front and back. I bought two pair
of the new pioneers to replace the old ones. I didn't really check out
the new speakers (Oops) before I bought them, or I would have noticed
that the nominal wattage required is 55watts (max 200)per speaker.
Does this mean I need at least 110 watts for the front and 110 watts
for the rears? My old head unit doesn't put out enough power to drive
the new pioneers. I have disconnected the speakers, as I've heard you
can damage speakers by under powering them. I'm planning on buying a
new head unit. most likely one with 200 max watts. is this enough to
drive the speakers? do I need to get an amp to drive them? if I do get
an amp how many channels and watts would be best to buy?

I don't really want to spend a ton of money, since my van isn't worth
a lot.

thank you for any advice or tips.
Michael A. Covington - 31 Aug 2004 05:57 GMT
That's maximum wattage, not minimum wattage.  They will sound fine with a
considerably lower-wattage amplifier.  Have you tried your existing
amplifier?  Does it sound OK?

At one time Radio City Music Hall was supplied with a single 100-watt
amplifier.

Most speakers are rated for more power than the amplifier can put out.

It is very easy to damage speakers by overpowering them.

You will not damage speakers by underpowering them unless you turn your
volume and bass way up in an attempt to get sounds that your stereo can't
produce.  As long as you have normal-sounding sound coming out of them,
they'll be fine.  Only one special situation -- extremely heavy bass,
severely clipped -- can damage speakers by "underpowering" (actually by
making DC flow through them).  That's a situation you can easily avoid
because it sounds dreadful.  Set your bass controls for good music -- not
maximum bass -- and you'll be fine.

>I bought some pioneer 3-way speakers to replace the old stock units in
> my van. The van has 6.5" speakers in front and back. I bought two pair
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>
> thank you for any advice or tips.
Mark Zarella - 01 Sep 2004 00:26 GMT
> Only one special situation -- extremely heavy bass,
> severely clipped -- can damage speakers by "underpowering" (actually by
> making DC flow through them).  That's a situation you can easily avoid

Clipping, even when severe, will never cause DC to flow.
Michael A. Covington - 01 Sep 2004 04:19 GMT
>> Only one special situation -- extremely heavy bass,
>> severely clipped -- can damage speakers by "underpowering" (actually by
>> making DC flow through them).  That's a situation you can easily avoid
>
> Clipping, even when severe, will never cause DC to flow.

Only momentarily.  The top of a clipped wave is (temporary) DC.
Les - 01 Sep 2004 04:49 GMT
> >> Only one special situation -- extremely heavy bass,
> >> severely clipped -- can damage speakers by "underpowering" (actually by
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>
> Only momentarily.  The top of a clipped wave is (temporary) DC.

Nope. It may resemble a square wave to an extent, but alternating DC just
does not make sense.

Les
Mark Zarella - 01 Sep 2004 05:10 GMT
> > Clipping, even when severe, will never cause DC to flow.
>
> Only momentarily.  The top of a clipped wave is (temporary) DC.

There's no such thing.  You can't have a direct current that's
alternating.  That, by definition, is an alternating current.

What you're describing is essentially a square wave.  A square wave,
when described by simple Fourier analysis, does not contain a DC
component.

I understand that the point you're trying to make is that the flatness of
the peaks acts in a similar manner to that of DC applied to the speaker.
But this isn't true either...
Les - 01 Sep 2004 06:27 GMT
> > > Clipping, even when severe, will never cause DC to flow.
> >
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> the peaks acts in a similar manner to that of DC applied to the speaker.
> But this isn't true either...

Awww Mark, you're no fun.

Can't we just defy science just this one time? I mean, it won't hurt
anything and most people won't even know that were doing it!

Les
alex - 01 Sep 2004 17:32 GMT
thanks for all the great feedback.

> That's maximum wattage, not minimum wattage.  They will sound fine with a
> considerably lower-wattage amplifier.  Have you tried your existing
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> >
> > thank you for any advice or tips.
KaeZoo - 31 Aug 2004 14:36 GMT
Go ahead and hook up the new speakers again.  The nominal power rating is a
maximum, not a minimum.  They might sound better with an amp, but you're not
likely to damage them with your old head unit.

> I bought some pioneer 3-way speakers to replace the old stock units in
> my van. The van has 6.5" speakers in front and back. I bought two pair
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> thank you for any advice or tips.
 
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