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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / September 2005Snitch Tickets - and turn it up!
Dear California Motorist (and anyone who lets a friend drive in CA): Don't fall for fake red light camera tickets, a.k.a "Snitch Tickets" or "Nominations." The Snitch Tickets come in the mail, from the POLICE! Some of the police departments doing it are Bakersfield, El Cajon, El Monte, Emeryville, Encinitas, Garden Grove, Gardena, Hawthorne, Inglewood, Maywood, Poway, San Jose, Santa Ana, South Gate, Stockton, Union City, Upland, and Vista. As far as I know, it is only happening in California. Your Snitch Ticket will look a lot like a real photo enforcement ticket. But they are not a real ticket. The police have not filed them with the court, so you won't find the Superior Court name and address on it. You won't find the usual order saying, "You must respond to the court on or before (date)," and in fact, the Snitch Ticket will even say (in small print, on the back), "Do not contact the court." It's a phishing expedition, to get you to snitch on the driver - which could even be yourself or your spouse! I recommend that you ignore such a notice - do not respond to it in any way. For more information, see the Your Ticket page on the free-of-any-charge website http://www.hwyrobbery.com. Don't be a snitch, unless the wife says "turn it down." Jim So what exactly are you alleging that the police are "phishing" for? Tony  Signature2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1 Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub 2001 Chevy S10 ZR2 Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub > So what exactly are you alleging that the police are "phishing" for? > > Tony $ money $ the almighty $, The Cities all around us are going broke, so an easy way for a municipality to raise more $ money $ is to have the police write more tickets. city goverment say's we're low on money - how do we get more money? simple, we have our cop write more tickets, which in turn the violater will have to pay a fine, that way we'll get $ money $ it's simple and obvious Bunch of dirty cops. >> So what exactly are you alleging that the police are "phishing" for? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >it's simple and obvious "$ money $ the almighty $, The Cities all around us are going broke, so an easy way for a municipality to raise more $ money $ is to have the police write more tickets." Well, it's not a ticket then, is it? The original poster wrote: "Your Snitch Ticket will look a lot like a real photo enforcement ticket. But they are not a real ticket." "it's simple and obvious" Well, it obviously wasn't simple and obvious or I wouldn't have asked about it, would I? Tony Signature2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1 Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub 2001 Chevy S10 ZR2 Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub For Tony: The snitch tickets don't ask you for money. They simply say that you must supply information. They are phishing for the name, address and license # of a driver to whom to send a real ticket. Jim Jim > Dear California Motorist (and anyone who lets a friend drive in CA): > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Jim "The snitch tickets don't ask you for money. They simply say that you must supply information. They are phishing for the name, address and license # of a driver to whom to send a real ticket." Thanks, Jim. So it doesn't sound like these are a "bunch of dirty cops" like no-one wrote. And it sounds like they are real tickets indeed, but the cops don't have enough evidence to prove WHO was driving and are are hoping people are either honest or foolish enough to identify the driver. Unfortunately if this doesn't work there will be legislation passed sooner or later that will hold the owner of the car ultimately responsible for whatever violation(s) occur with that car. Tony Signature2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1 Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub 2001 Chevy S10 ZR2 Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub > "The snitch tickets don't ask you for money. They simply say that you must > supply information. They are phishing for the name, address and license # [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > or later that will hold the owner of the car ultimately responsible for > whatever violation(s) occur with that car. That'll really shake things up though, don't you think? Currently there seems to be a pretty strict line between vehicle ownership and motor vehicle licensure, sometimes with auto insurance being the only thing that can bridge the gap. I wonder if such a measure is constitutional? Sure, there have been efforts in the past that have been at least partly successful in assigning a crime to the owner of, say, a weapon even if the owner wasn't the one who committed it. But there have always seemed to be two caveats to this: 1) the crime they're charged with is almost never of the same severity as that charged to the actual perpetrator; and 2) it always seemed to require negligence of some sort. Those don't exist for this "snitch ticket" situation, so that's where this sort of legislation would be problematic. "That'll really shake things up though, don't you think?" Yes, I definitely do. I never said I agreed with it, but it's something that wouldn't surprise me if it happens. Of course, we're talking about infractions of the law (speeding, running red lights, etc) and not the commisions of crimes. Already, when you rent a car you sign something that says you are responsible for any traffic violations committed during the time you possess it. I can see the parallels. Tony Signature2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1 Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub 2001 Chevy S10 ZR2 Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub > "That'll really shake things up though, don't you think?" > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > time you possess it. I can see the parallels. > Tony But that seems to be a counter-example to the notion of charging the owner of the car with the violation. The violation is being put on the driver rather than the owner... "But that seems to be a counter-example to the notion of charging the owner of the car with the violation." I was comparing my anticipation regarding legislation being enacted that would hold the owner of a car responsible for any infraction being committed and holding the renter of a rental car responsible for any infraction being committed. Did that clarify things? Tony Signature2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1 Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub 2001 Chevy S10 ZR2 Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub > "But that seems to be a counter-example to the notion of charging the owner > of the car with the violation." [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Tony Been there, done that... In the 2003 legislative session here in CA there was a bill, SB 780, which proposed to make the tickets "owner responsibility." It failed, died. The problem with "owner responsibility" is that unlike "driver responsibility (our present system) it doesn't allow a point to be put on the owners drivers license. Without those points piling up, insurance companies can't raise your rates. Guess who the opposition to SB 780 was? The auto clubs, who are primarily insurance companies (the auto club of so. cal. takes in 1.8 billion in premiums vs. 0.3 billion in membership dues). For details about SB 780, see http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/03-04/bill/sen/sb_0751-0800/sb_780_cfa_20030619_13391 3_sen_comm.html For details as to sponsorship/opposition, look at the end of the "analysis" at that URL. Jim o..if you ever get a photo ticket,,pay it a pic of the amount of the fine close up.LOL hahAHahAHahAHA > o..if you ever get a photo ticket,,pay it a pic of the amount of the > fine close up.LOL > hahAHahAHahAHA Old news already been done. The cops sent a picture back indicating an arrest. SignatureI. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} oh i mean a pic of your money in the amount of the fine.LOL The police sent back a picture of a set of handcuffs. Tony Signature2001 Nissan Maxima SE Anniversary Edition Clarion DRZ9255 Head Unit, Phoenix Gold ZX475ti, ZX450 and Xenon X1200.1 Amplifiers, Dynaudio System 360 Tri-Amped In Front and Focal 130HCs For Rear Fill, Image Dynamics IDMAX10 D4 v.3 Sub 2001 Chevy S10 ZR2 Pioneer DEH-P9600MP Head Unit, Phoenix Gold Ti500.4 Amp, Focal 165HC Speakers & Image Dynamics ID8 D4 v.3 Sub > The police sent back a picture of a set of handcuffs. > > Tony That's right, thanks :-). SignatureI. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} well after you get that pic you send 1 more pic. of you bent over and a sign that says kiss..lol > well after you get that pic you send 1 more pic. of you bent over and a > sign that says kiss..lol IDIOT SignatureI. Care Address fake until the SPAM goes away ;-} |
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