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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / November 2005

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I want some advise  ( Im new to this)

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cryoman101@yahoo.com - 09 Nov 2005 19:41 GMT
Hello.  I Have a 89 fire bird  that now has  a fitted premade box
holding 2  12in  JL audio W1 speakers in it . It is powered by a JL
250/1 channel amp bridged . My deck is a  new panasonic 5.5 volts
coming out the RCA cables .  I was just in a SPL competition this past
weekend  and i lost to an  old  old  crossfire 32/2 pushing a MTX 15 in
dual voice coil at 2 oams at each coil  (I think that brought him down
to 1/2 oam ).  Ok what i want to do is fiberglass the back of my car in
so i can rum bigger and better speakers and posably go to a phinox golg
amp ....  but i dont know  .. I cant seam to find any amps that can
match that crossfire in the 1/2 oam load  and what would be the best
speaker i can get????
 any sujestions??????   please Email me your thoughts   Thanks
cryoman101@yahoo.com
Chris Mullins - 09 Nov 2005 20:29 GMT
if you want to win the comp, i'd suggest put more money into your system.
2ohm coils could be wired to 4 or 1 ohm, i'm guessing he was running at 1

All i can say is more speaker and more power.  I've heard great things about
digital designs subs, and get a few thousand watts to them, i'm sure you'll
kill the MTX.  Of course i thinik they're about $1000/sub.  RE XXX seems to
be a fan favorite witht he MT being more comp oriented.  I know a guy that
runs 10" orions and i think he's above 145s IIRC,

the prefab box is definately holding you back, but i don't know if i'd do
fibergalss for a comp install.  Until you become good with the glass i'd
just do bigger MDF ported boxes.  You should get a noticeable increase in
output.

also how are your subs wired? you said you have a 250/1 channel amp bridged?
if i understand you right you have a one channel amp but how are you
bridging it?

your subs should get no more than 250 each according to JL's site but i
don't see what the voic coil configs are?  Are yours dual voice coils or
single? i see that there are 4 or 8 ohm options,  so i'm guessing you have
single 4s wired parallel to 2ohms .  Which i just noticed doesn't matter
cause your amp does 250w from 1.5-4 ohm.  Your first upgrade could be simple
new boxes that are ported and another 250 amp to put on the other sub.  That
should give you a good gain in output.

> Hello.  I Have a 89 fire bird  that now has  a fitted premade box
> holding 2  12in  JL audio W1 speakers in it . It is powered by a JL
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>  any sujestions??????   please Email me your thoughts   Thanks
> cryoman101@yahoo.com
spr - 22 Nov 2005 15:13 GMT
> Hello.  I Have a 89 fire bird  that now has  a fitted premade box
> holding 2  12in  JL audio W1 speakers in it . It is powered by a JL
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>  any sujestions??????   please Email me your thoughts   Thanks
> cryoman101@yahoo.com

what spl are you and he getting?
Scott Gardner - 22 Nov 2005 20:13 GMT
>> Hello.  I Have a 89 fire bird  that now has  a fitted premade box
>> holding 2  12in  JL audio W1 speakers in it . It is powered by a JL
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>>
>what spl are you and he getting?

If his sub has two 2-ohm voice coils, and he's wired them in parallel,
then he has an overall load of 1-ohm, not 1/2-ohm.  

With two 12" subs, you likely have more cone surface area than his
single 15" sub, but there are other factors in play, like the maximum
cone excursion and the sensitivity of the subwoofer.  I lke the JL
12W1, and have used them quite a bit, but they're not exactly
"powerhouses" when it comes to raw SPL.

As for the amps, I don't know the specs of his Crossfire, but he's
probably getting a pretty good boost in power by running it at 1-ohm
mono.  Your JL 250/1, on the other hand,  is designed to produce the
same 250W into any load from 1.5 - 4.0 Ohms, so you're not picking up
any extra watts by bridging the subs.  Depending on which version of
the 12W1 you have, your overall impedence is either four ohms or two
ohms.  For either version, the continuous power handling is 125W, so a
pair of them is a good match for a single JL 250/1 amp.  Regardless,
250W into a pair of 12W1's isn't going to blow anyone away at an SPL
contest.

If you want more SPL, I'd start off with a bigger amp.  As for the
speakers, you don't necessarily have to go with more or larger
speakers - you probably just need to find *different* speakers.  To
use an example, the JL 13W7 has more than triple the linear excursion
of  the 12W1 (29mm versus 8mm), and the power handling is 750W instead
of 125W.  Just one 12W7,  combined with a bigger amp, would put your
current setup to shame, and you wouldn't have to worry about making
room for bigger speakers.

Lastly, if your current setup uses a sealed box, you could look into a
ported box for more SPL.  For any particular sub. the recommended
ported box tends to be larger than the recommended sealed box, but if
you move to a single-sub setup, you may not need any additional space
to fit a ported box.

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