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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Car Audio / October 2006

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Help With Amp and speaker setup and subs

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rbflurry@gmail.com - 26 Oct 2006 04:25 GMT
I have my jbl speakers all on a 4way amp. comming off a sony head unit
in 4 different channels. How could i add a sub to the system. would i
need a new amp also. if so where would i hook that to?or could i put
all the jbl speakers on 2 channels from my amp now and then use the
other 2 for the sub? what do you suggest?
Thanxs
Ryan
KU40 - 26 Oct 2006 05:01 GMT
you can do it either way.  I'd suggest getting a separate amp for th
sub, though, if you have the means

you hook the second amp up the same way as the first amp.  if the powe
wire is large enough to support both amps, you can just get
distribution block and split it towards both amps.  If it's not o
adequate size, you can either run another power wire for the new amp
or replace the existing wire with one capable of handling both amps
and doing the distro. block.  If it were me, I'd choose the latter, bu
either way is fine

You'll want to ground to the same spot as the other amp

If your head unit only has two RCA outputs, you'll have to us
splitters on one set to get the signal to the other amp.  Otherwis
just run them as normal

remote wire you can just daisy chain from the other amp's remot
terminal

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KU40
MOSFET - 26 Oct 2006 07:21 GMT
Everything KU40 said was right on track.

I wanted to add that YOU CAN use your existing four channel amp to drive
everything as you had suggested (two channels drive the 4 JBL's and the
other two drive the sub).  The disadvantage of this is that you lose fader
control, obviously (as all four speakers will now be driven by just two
channels of amplification).  This loss of fader control can sometimes be an
issue.  However, there are passive circuits (called L-pads) that can be
inserted in your speaker line to lower the volume of a particular speaker.
For instance, let's say you set this thing up using the one amp approach but
you realize your rear-speakers sound WAY too loud.  Well, you can't use your
fader anymore to turn them down.  But you can buy these low cost L-pads and
insert them in the speaker path for both of the rear speakers to lower the
volume a few dB.  BTW, I used this approach on my VERY first system (nearly
20 years ago...geez!), and it worked fine.

But, as KU40 said, it would probably be best to get the subwoofer it's own
dedicated amplifier.  If possible, look for Class D amps as they are more
efficient (they take less power than other amps to make the same volume
level).  Unless you have a beefed up electrical system, a powerful Class AB
(the most typical kind of amp) amp (let's say 500 watts) driving a powerful
subwoofer/s will SEVERELY sap your car's electrical system.  So efficiency
is very important.

Good luck!!

MOSFET

> you can do it either way.  I'd suggest getting a separate amp for the
> sub, though, if you have the means.
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> remote wire you can just daisy chain from the other amp's remote
> terminal.
mfreak - 26 Oct 2006 14:06 GMT
> If your head unit only has two RCA outputs, you'll have to use
> splitters on one set to get the signal to the other amp.  Otherwise
> just run them as normal.

Y-cables for RCA work fine too, but I think you'll have to crank up the
gain on the amps a little.  Don't y-cables result in a lower voltage
signal going to each amp?  I thought I noticed that some time in the
distant past, but I can't remember for certain.  If that's the case,
it's something to think about if your current amp's gains are already
set very high...

A lot of amps have RCA line ins AND a set of RCA line outs, so you can
daisy chain as many amps together as you want with only one set of RCA
cables coming from the HU.  My Kickers have this, although I'm not
using them.  It's basically a splitter built into the amp.

Whatever you do, make sure you're splitting PRE-crossover.
GregS - 26 Oct 2006 14:33 GMT
>> If your head unit only has two RCA outputs, you'll have to use
>> splitters on one set to get the signal to the other amp.  Otherwise
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>it's something to think about if your current amp's gains are already
>set very high...

The outputs of units most always include series resistors. Any load at
all will begin dropping the signal.

greg
mfreak - 26 Oct 2006 15:43 GMT
> The outputs of units most always include series resistors. Any load at
> all will begin dropping the signal.

Do amps that have parallel line out's ever boost the output signal to
make up for db loss, or is it really just another set of RCA jacks
literally wired to the input, ie a y-cable?
GregS - 26 Oct 2006 16:04 GMT
>> The outputs of units most always include series resistors. Any load at
>> all will begin dropping the signal.
>
>Do amps that have parallel line out's ever boost the output signal to
>make up for db loss, or is it really just another set of RCA jacks
>literally wired to the input, ie a y-cable?

Hardly ever done. Might be some that do.

greg
 
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