Apparently, the POTUS is reconsidering the HSD position on border crossings.
HSD wants only passports to be accepted by Americans returning from other
countries. Dubya is saying that may be too much hassle for visiting Canada
and Mexico. He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
Here's the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Bush-Passports.html?
You have to be registered to read it; here's an excerpt:
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"In December, Bush signed into law an intelligence overhaul that requires
tighter border security against terrorists and was the basis for the
passport proposal. The White House did not say why the president was unaware
of the plans his administration announced just a week earlier.
The proposed guidelines would require passports or a select number of other
secure documents from anyone -- including Americans -- entering the United
States from Canada, Mexico, Bermuda, the Caribbean and Panama. The rules
were scheduled to become final this fall after a public comment period and
to be phased in by 2008.
Currently, Americans generally need to show a driver's license or other
government-issued photo identification to cross the border from Canada.
Customs officials usually require more proof from Americans returning from
the other countries -- a driver's license plus a birth certificate to prove
citizenship, for example."
Bill 2 - 15 Apr 2005 16:38 GMT
> Apparently, the POTUS is reconsidering the HSD position on border
> crossings. HSD wants only passports to be accepted by Americans returning
> from other countries. Dubya is saying that may be too much hassle for
> visiting Canada and Mexico. He's suggesting electronic fingering as an
> alternative.
Great excuse for getting everyone's fingerprint on file... Maybe they can
take DNA samples too?
A couple years ago after evildoer's day (9/11) I got a passport to make my
trips across the boarder easier (I'm Canadian, sometimes drive to US). It
really isn't that hard. I just hand it to the customs agent, they ask a
couple stupid questions, hand the passport back, and away I go. Of course it
helps I'm not Arabic. But they've wanted ID for a while, and a passport is
much less hassle than DL + proof of citizenship. Especially if the border
crossing isn't at your native state / province.
Brent P - 15 Apr 2005 16:54 GMT
> and Mexico. He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
Ever notice how the solution for everything these days is some sort of
tracking or logging?
Skip Elliott Bowman - 15 Apr 2005 18:14 GMT
>> and Mexico. He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
>
> Ever notice how the solution for everything these days is some sort of
> tracking or logging?
Yes, I noticed that too. You know about the Nexus lanes at the Canadian
border, right? How do you think those people get those passes? TSA is
considering something like that for frequent travelers.
Brent P - 15 Apr 2005 22:40 GMT
> Yes, I noticed that too. You know about the Nexus lanes at the Canadian
> border, right? How do you think those people get those passes? TSA is
> considering something like that for frequent travelers.
No, never been there. But I've heard of all sorts of 'privledged class'
arragements for special people to get by security checks.
Larry Bud - 18 Apr 2005 12:56 GMT
> > and Mexico. He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
>
> Ever notice how the solution for everything these days is some sort of
> tracking or logging?
If anyone has a better idea to identify potential threats, I'm all
ears.
The era of free border crossings is long overdue. But I guess it will
take one more serious terrorist attack by someone who freely crossed to
MAYBE get that message through.
John S. - 18 Apr 2005 13:33 GMT
"The era of free border crossings is long overdue."
Don't understand what you are saying. Border crossings with Canada and
Mexico are relatively free now and the proposal will tighten them.
Brent P - 18 Apr 2005 15:38 GMT
> If anyone has a better idea to identify potential threats, I'm all
> ears.
Everyone but US citizens can cross unfettered.... yeah it's about
threats. BAH!
John David Galt - 29 Apr 2005 08:18 GMT
>> Ever notice how the solution for everything these days is some sort
>> of tracking or logging?
Indeed. You'd think the police would figure out by now that people
who intend to commit crimes and know that an ID would reveal the fact
don't obtain that ID, or don't cross the border in places where they
will have to stand in line to show it. Or they use fake IDs or lie
on the application for one.
> If anyone has a better idea to identify potential threats, I'm all
> ears.
There isn't any until somebody invents a mind-reading device. The
cops will just have to go back to waiting for probable cause before
stopping anybody, and if the paranoids can't stand it they can go
live in China, where they'll be nice and safe ... from everyone but
the government.
Matthew Russotto - 15 Apr 2005 18:37 GMT
>Apparently, the POTUS is reconsidering the HSD position on border crossings.
>HSD wants only passports to be accepted by Americans returning from other
>countries. Dubya is saying that may be too much hassle for visiting Canada
>and Mexico. He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
I'd like to give him a finger...

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Bernard farquart - 16 Apr 2005 03:51 GMT
> He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
I don't feel that way about Dubya, though...
Skip Elliott Bowman - 16 Apr 2005 09:37 GMT
>> He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
>
> I don't feel that way about Dubya, though...
I mistyped that--"electronic fingerprinting".
Bernard farquart - 19 Apr 2005 06:42 GMT
>>> He's suggesting electronic fingering as an alternative.
>>
>> I don't feel that way about Dubya, though...
>>
> I mistyped that--"electronic fingerprinting".
It was more entertaining the other way...