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LeMod Pol - 04 May 2005 23:16 GMT
Street racers could lose their wheels
By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
Posted May 4, 2005

TALLAHASSEE -- Alarmed by four deaths in Central
Florida last year, the Legislature on Tuesday approved
tougher penalties for motorists who race their
souped-up cars on public streets.

Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
up to five years in prison and lose their cars -- often
the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences
by teenage boys.

Rep. John Quiñones, R-Kissimmee, said the new penalties
will help stop street racing, which contributed to at
least four traffic deaths in Central Florida last year.

"Word gets out that somebody lost their vehicle, and
it'll go through the right circles real fast," said
Quiñones, who sponsored the bill (HB 71).

The proposal calls for first-time offenders to be
charged with a first-degree misdemeanor punishable by
up to a year in jail. For a second offense in a
five-year period, drag racers can be charged with a
third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Under current law, first-time offenders can serve only
a maximum of 60 days in jail and second-time offenders
just a year in jail.

Street racing has emerged as a major issue for local
law-enforcement officers in recent years, said Orange
County sheriff's spokesman Jim Solomons, prompting
special details by deputies targeting racers.

"Anything that can be done to discourage these kids
from street racing is a good thing," Solomons said. "I
would think that the prospect of losing their vehicle
is a big gun in the hands of law-enforcement agencies."

The aggressive driving and speed that come with street
racing are not only dangerous to participants but to
other drivers on the road who are just trying to get
from one place to another, he said.

In one 2002 Lake County case, a race between two men in
their 20s resulted in the accidental death of two
people, including his own mother.

The racer, Dwight Samples, was going nearly 120 mph
when he inadvertently hit his mom's car. He was
convicted of vehicular homicide and sentenced to four
years in prison in 2003.

"There seems to be a new mind-set of these kids where
it's any place, any time with total disregard to their
surroundings," he said.

Beth Kassab can be reached at:
bkassab@orlandosentinel.com or 850-222-5564.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/orl-locdrag04050405may04,0,48980
68.story

Copyright © 2005, Orlando Sentinel

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Cary Kittrell - 04 May 2005 23:19 GMT
> Street racers could lose their wheels
>  By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences
> by teenage boys.

WWJDD?

-- cary
John F. Carr - 05 May 2005 00:42 GMT
>Street racers could lose their wheels
> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>the objects of expensive upgrades and fancy indulgences
>by teenage boys.

Massachusetts passed a law a year or two ago increasing
penalties for street racing in Springfield and allowing
the city to seize race vehicles.  I have not heard about
how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference.

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   John Carr (jfc@mit.edu)

jaybird - 05 May 2005 02:33 GMT
>>Street racers could lose their wheels
>> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the city to seize race vehicles.  I have not heard about
> how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference.

In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B.  There
are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail.

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L Sternn - 05 May 2005 02:59 GMT
>>>Street racers could lose their wheels
>>> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B.  There
>are no longer tickets issued, the driver(s) just go straight to jail.

And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight
to jail too
jaybird - 05 May 2005 07:06 GMT
>>>>Street racers could lose their wheels
>>>> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight
> to jail too

Well, that's what they said they were doing.

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Garth Almgren - 05 May 2005 07:41 GMT
>>>In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B.
>>>There
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Well, that's what they said they were doing.

Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing...

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Scott en Aztlán - 05 May 2005 12:05 GMT
>>>>In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B.
>>>>There
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing...

The cops say differently. And the word of a cop carries more weight
than the word of a civillian.
Ted B. - 05 May 2005 13:51 GMT
>>> Well, that's what they said they were doing.
>>
>>Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing...
>
> The cops say differently. And the word of a cop carries more weight
> than the word of a civillian.

Even if the civilian has written proof that the civilian is correct,
apparently.  -Dave
Garth Almgren - 05 May 2005 16:55 GMT
>>>>And the people shopping at Kmart or eating at Sonic get to go straight
>>>>to jail too
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> The cops say differently.

And IIRC, some cops eventually lost their jobs over that particular goof.

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Alex Rodriguez - 05 May 2005 19:05 GMT
>And IIRC, some cops eventually lost their jobs over that particular goof.

For this one major screw up.  Unfortunately more often than not, the accused
have to waste a lot of time and money and the cop gets to keep his job and
collect overtime going to court.
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Alex Rodriguez - 05 May 2005 19:04 GMT
>>>>In Texas they raised racing from a Class C Misdemeanor to a Class B.
>>>>There
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Coincidentally, it's also what they were actually doing...

Since there are no repercussions the cop has to worry about, they really
don't care.  It would take too much effort on their part to actually do
some investigation.  Asking a cop to actually do police work can you get
in trouble.  
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Alex
Alex Rodriguez - 05 May 2005 19:02 GMT
>Well, that's what they said they were doing.

That's exactly the problem.  You can't always believe what a cop will say.
They screw up and then put the burden of cleaning up the mess on the
accused.  
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Alex
jaybird - 05 May 2005 22:58 GMT
>>Well, that's what they said they were doing.
>
> That's exactly the problem.  You can't always believe what a cop will say.
> They screw up and then put the burden of cleaning up the mess on the
> accused.

You misunderstood.  I was talking about the accused.  I know that I'd have
enough sense to leave a large gathering of racers especially before the cops
start showing up.  It didn't just happen, it had to take quite a bit of time
to round everyone up.

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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 05 May 2005 23:25 GMT
I'd just get my gun out and start shooting pigs as they showed up.
the only good traffic cop is a DEAD traffic cop.
KILL PIGS !!!

>>>Well, that's what they said they were doing.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> cops start showing up.  It didn't just happen, it had to take quite a bit
> of time to round everyone up.
K Smythe - 06 May 2005 18:39 GMT
>>>Well, that's what they said they were doing.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>enough sense to leave a large gathering of racers especially before the cops
>start showing up.

Are you familiar with the location where this happened?

It's a BIG parking lot and I doubt that the racers were parked close
to the store's entrance where most of the customers would be.

Sometimes street racers are difficult if not impossible to avoid.

I once found myself in line with a bunch of those a.sholes simply
because I happened to turn down a road that they had taken over.

There was nowhere for me to go - there were no side-streets for me to
turn off of and a u-turn would have been illegal, not to mention
impossible for my car.

I finally reached my destination - a store whose entrance was blocked
by the racers and whose parking lot (much smaller than Kmart's) had a
number of racers parked there too.

The manager of the store said she calls the cops whenever they do that
and that the cops generally wait a couple of hours until the racers
dissipate on their own before showing up.

I then had to fight my way out of the parking lot and across the 2
stalled lanes of cars waiting to race to turn left and be on my way.

>  It didn't just happen, it had to take quite a bit of time
>to round everyone up.

I'm sure it did - why should it come as a surprise that the wheels of
injustice sometimes turn slowly as do the wheels of justice.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 05 May 2005 03:31 GMT
the only good pig is a DEAD pig.
KILL PIGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>Street racers could lose their wheels
>> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> the city to seize race vehicles.  I have not heard about
> how it is enforced or whether it makes a difference.
Daniel J. Stern - 05 May 2005 00:53 GMT
> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
> up to five years in prison and lose their cars

Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car
crusher-shredder units now available, too.

DS
LeMod Pol - 05 May 2005 01:41 GMT
> > Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
> > up to five years in prison and lose their cars
>
> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car
> crusher-shredder units now available, too.

<VBG>

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"We are fighting today for security, for progress,
and for peace, not only for ourselves but for all
men, not only for one generation but for all
generations. We are fighting to cleanse the world
of ancient evils, ancient ills."

Franklin Delano Roosevelt
State of the Union Address - 1942
Jim Yanik - 05 May 2005 02:10 GMT
>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> DS

Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding
drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things.

That's misuse of government resources.

As bad as government destroying good firearms that were confiscated from
criminals,rather then auction them to dealers who can sell them legally to
lawful people,and both gov't and dealer benefit from the money.
(if a car in decent condition is confiscated from criminals after being
used in a crime,they get sold at auction,not destroyed.Or they get used by
gov't officials!)

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Daniel J. Stern - 05 May 2005 03:13 GMT
> >> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face up to five
> >> years in prison and lose their cars
> >
> > Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car
> > crusher-shredder units now available, too.

> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle?

Perfectly saleable? My a.s. Most of them don't even come close to street
legality. Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as their
cars are shredded without compensation.
Jim Yanik - 05 May 2005 16:34 GMT
>> >> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face up to five
>> >> years in prison and lose their cars
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Perfectly saleable? My a.s. Most of them don't even come close to street
> legality.

And thus could be sold for TRACK(off-road) use.
Or one could restore them to legality before returning them to public
roads.

> Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
> arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as their
> cars are shredded without compensation.

At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.
Just as autos confiscated for drug trafficing get sold at auction.

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Daniel J. Stern - 05 May 2005 23:00 GMT
> > Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as
> > their cars are shredded without compensation.

> At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.

I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine
large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.
Brent P - 06 May 2005 02:30 GMT
>> > Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine
> large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.

I simply don't think that property siezure immediately for violations based
solely on a single police officer's word are something that is good for
liberty.

I dislike riceboy racers as much as anyone, but I see considerable
victims of this laws like this by mistake, misidentification, general
round ups, and out right harrassment. Or just because the cop wanted to
make the car his.
Matthew Russotto - 06 May 2005 16:10 GMT
>>> > Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
>>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>solely on a single police officer's word are something that is good for
>liberty.

Liberty?  Who cares about liberty?  We're talking about punishing
those damned kids.
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K Smythe - 06 May 2005 18:46 GMT
>>> > Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
>>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>solely on a single police officer's word are something that is good for
>liberty.

I agree - IMO, this is clearly a violation of the 4th amendment.
There is no "due process" that is followed in civil forfeiture.

Things are seized and if the victim can afford it, then he has to
PROVE that his car (or whatever) is "innocent".

>I dislike riceboy racers as much as anyone, but I see considerable
>victims of this laws like this by mistake, misidentification, general
>round ups, and out right harrassment. Or just because the cop wanted to
>make the car his.
Scott en Aztlán - 05 May 2005 12:09 GMT
>>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
>>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding
>drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things.

I'm sure they do sell the valuable ones (or at least parts of them
like the bling-bling wheels and the picnic table rear wing). I'm sure
they only crush the worthless Civic husk that remains after all the
valuable parts have been stripped off.
Jim Yanik - 05 May 2005 16:36 GMT
>>>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
>>>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> they only crush the worthless Civic husk that remains after all the
> valuable parts have been stripped off.

Many of those cars (street racers)are in far better condition than many
cars on the roads today. Of course,true junkers would get dismantled and
crushed;their parts may be greater than the whole's worth.

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Ted B. - 05 May 2005 13:54 GMT
> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding
> drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things.

The problem with that theory is, no law-abiding driver would want to get
caught dead in one of those super-modified street racing machines.  Are you
going to buy it and then spend tens of thousands of dollars converting it to
useful transportation?  Not bloody likely, unless you are another street
racer who likes it JUST THE WAY IT IS.  I say crush'em.  -Dave
Jim Yanik - 05 May 2005 16:40 GMT
>> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to
>> law-abiding drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> are another street racer who likes it JUST THE WAY IT IS.  I say
> crush'em.  -Dave

There are a lot of people who own such modified autos -without- ever
illegally racing them on the streets.(not to say they are not ever driven
fast,just not street-raced.)

Some choose to go to the tracks to compete legally.

Of course,you folks could buy them at auction and have them crushed
yourself to satisfy your thirsts.Send the former owner an invitation to
watch.

But you folks would rather waste the public's money,not your own.

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Daniel J. Stern - 05 May 2005 23:03 GMT
> > Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as
> > their cars are shredded without compensation.

> At a loss of revenue that could be put to beneficial public use.

I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine
large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.
Jim Yanik - 06 May 2005 17:39 GMT
>> > Besides, I really, really dig the idea of forcing the
>> > arrested-development, yo-yo-blizzing-yo-beeyotch squirrels watch as
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I was just taking as given the part about the citation including a fine
> large enough to cover all crush/shred costs.

That still puts you at a LOSS;the loss of public money,that could be put to
beneficial public use.

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Scott en Aztlán - 06 May 2005 02:32 GMT
>> Why waste a perfectly saleable vehicle? They can be sold to law-abiding
>> drivers.The money generated could go to lots of worthy things.
>
>The problem with that theory is, no law-abiding driver would want to get
>caught dead in one of those super-modified street racing machines.  

The cops don't care if they sell the confiscated vehicles to other
street racers - riceboys' money is just as green as anyone else's. In
fact, I'm sure they wouldn't mind selling the same cars time and time
and time again, as each successive owner gets caught street racing.
Brent P - 05 May 2005 05:59 GMT
>> Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
>> up to five years in prison and lose their cars
>
> Groovy. There are some excellent and economical portable car
> crusher-shredder units now available, too.

Don't be so happy daniel. After all, cops aren't exactly the brightest
bulbs in the bunch. They tend to do round ups. I fear just being out and
about minding my own business and then facing a court battle just because
I was driving a mustang within a few blocks of where some teenagers were
racing their fart can equiped civics.
Scott en Aztlán - 05 May 2005 03:07 GMT
>Street racers could lose their wheels
> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Under the bill sent to Gov. Jeb Bush, racers could face
>up to five years in prison and lose their cars

In LA they crush street racers' cars - sometimes on TV so it's a
better deterrent.
BlackWater - 09 May 2005 13:23 GMT
>Street racers could lose their wheels
> By Beth Kassab | Tallahassee Bureau
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>tougher penalties for motorists who race their
>souped-up cars on public streets.

  Those who cannot control themselves will BE controlled.
 
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