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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / May 2005Speeding bus driver loses control and kills two innocent people
Now watch criminal-coddler america let the driver off with a fine. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/11602302.htm By ELAINE ADAMS The Kansas City Star Two persons died this morning in a wreck with a school bus at Missouri 291 and Missouri 152 in Liberty. The crash left two children in critical condition and a third headed to intensive care. The wreck occurred around 8:30 a.m. when the bus, traveling south on Missouri 291, collided with two vehicles on eastbound Missouri 152, said Lt. Mark Misenhelter, spokesman for Liberty Police Department. The two persons who were killed were not in the bus. Their names and ages were not immediately released. (snip) Woolery said the bus was traveling at a high speed when it uprooted a pole, jumped a median and slammed into two vehicles that were side by side at the stop light. The bus then plunged into a grassy ditch and landed on an embankment above. > Now watch criminal-coddler america let the driver off with a fine. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > side at the stop light. The bus then plunged into a grassy ditch and > landed on an embankment above. OK, couldn't read the referenced article, as it is subscription required. But could you please quote the part of the article which states that the bus driver was speeding? "High speed" isn't necessarily unlawful, nor even over the speed limit. This was reported elsewhere as being at the intersection of two highways. Therefore, the bus could have been going 55 or 65MPH lawfully (depending on the speed limit). Some reporters might call 55 or 65MPH "high speed". In any case, even if the bus driver was speeding, what needs to be answered is . . . what was the primary cause of this traffic collision? To me, it sounds like the driver lost control (heart attack?, stroke?). The bus could have been going twice the legal posted limit. But if so, that still doesn't explain what caused the bus to veer off the highway and hit two vehicles on a different highway. If we assume for a minute that the bus was indeed speeding, then the most likely result would be that the bus crossed the intersection faster than the bus was legally allowed to. THAT didn't happen, so why didn't it happen? -Dave >>Now watch criminal-coddler america let the driver off with a fine. >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > intersection faster than the bus was legally allowed to. THAT didn't > happen, so why didn't it happen? -Dave Preliminary thoughts are that the bus was attempting to make a right turn at the intersection and blew the turn, striking the two vehicles which were waiting at the light. This link should give you up-to-date iinformation without a subscription. It's the local ABC affiliate. http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4465581/detail.html A lot of information is still forthcoming. The school district just held a press conference and didn't have a lot of new stuff to tell. Feds are on their way and due int his afternoon to investigate, conditions of the injured will be released by the treating hospitals (three hospitals received patients from the wreck: North Kansas City, Liberty, and Children's Mercy) Karen E. > Preliminary thoughts are that the bus was attempting to make a right turn > at the intersection and blew the turn, striking the two vehicles which > were waiting at the light. This link should give you up-to-date > iinformation without a subscription. It's the local ABC affiliate. > http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/4465581/detail.html That article is conflicting. It says the driver of the bus might have been trying to make a right turn. But then it also says that the route the bus normally followed would have had the bus continuing STRAIGHT through the intersection instead of turning right. So we're back where we started. I don't think the bus driver was trying to turn right. Regardless of whether the bus driver was speeding or not, it is clear that the bus was going too fast to make the corner, if that had been the driver's intention. Therefore, I think the driver was probably not intending to turn right. My money is still on something happening to the driver shortly before the incident. (heart attack?, stroke?, diabetic incident?) I think the fact that this happened at an intersection was coincidence only. A few seconds earlier or later and the bus might have just rolled over in a ditch. My theory anyway. -Dave >>Preliminary thoughts are that the bus was attempting to make a right turn >>at the intersection and blew the turn, striking the two vehicles which [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > normally followed would have had the bus continuing STRAIGHT through the > intersection instead of turning right. That's being discussed as well. They're trying to determine whether there was some reason for the driver to have attempted the turn (such as a mechanical problem resulting in the high speed followed by an attempt to get out of traffic). NTSB is here now so we may hear something fairly soon. The driver has been with the district for seven years and has what is termed an "impeccable record". > My money is still on something happening to the driver shortly before the > incident. (heart attack?, stroke?, diabetic incident?) I think the fact > that this happened at an intersection was coincidence only. A few seconds > earlier or later and the bus might have just rolled over in a ditch. My > theory anyway. My guess would be the same. We have no idea about the driver's condition. The hospital spokesman wouldn't provide any information about the driver since the media can find out her name on their own (the bus number is known) and that would be a HIPAA violation. The kids on the bus don't seem to be able to provide much information. Karen E. >> Now watch criminal-coddler america let the driver off with a fine. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >OK, couldn't read the referenced article, as it is subscription required. Nah, it only requires a password: bugmenot.com is your friend: luser_id: bobross@pbs.org password: happy3 >But could you please quote the part of the article which states that the bus >driver was speeding? It says no such thing. >"High speed" isn't necessarily unlawful, nor even over >the speed limit. This was reported elsewhere as being at the intersection >of two highways. Therefore, the bus could have been going 55 or 65MPH >lawfully (depending on the speed limit). Some reporters might call 55 or >65MPH "high speed". Only other relevant detail of the actual accident not already quoted (unless I missed something): |The bus came to rest on the southwest corner of the intersection of |the two highways, directly in front of the Platte Valley Bank. The |intersection, which has a four-way traffic light, is one of the |busiest in Liberty. >In any case, even if the bus driver was speeding, what needs to be answered >is . . . what was the primary cause of this traffic collision? To me, it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >intersection faster than the bus was legally allowed to. THAT didn't >happen, so why didn't it happen? I can't tell from that article. Damn, was this a bad day for school buses or what? I put "school bus" into Google News and here's a sample: School Bus Crash In Mo. Leaves Two Dead (that's this one). Two Die In Miami School Bus Crash Three injured in car-school bus crash in Brockton (Massachusetts) Infant killed, five on school bus treated after crash (Lexington, KY) Maybe that's just a normal day though - I don't usually search the news for references of school busses. > -Dave >>In any case, even if the bus driver was speeding, what needs to be answered >>is . . . what was the primary cause of this traffic collision? To me, it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I can't tell from that article. The current guess is that the driver was trying to make a turn at the intersection. The standard route for that bus does not turn at that location, but there's a curving turning lane there and it appears that that's where the driver was heading but was unable to negotiate it. The driver is still in the hospital but it sounds as though she's probably able to talk to investigators. Karen E> > In any case, even if the bus driver was speeding, what needs to be answered > is . . . what was the primary cause of this traffic collision? To me, it [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > speeding, then the most likely result would be that the bus crossed the > intersection faster than the bus was legally allowed to. THAT didn't > happen, so why didn't it happen? -Dave You're a classic criminal coddler. Maybe this driver fell asleep or maybe he was drunk. Who knows and who cares? This guy lost control of his vehicle and that makes the deaths his fault, period. If you can't control your vehicle, don't drive. >> a different highway. If we assume for a minute that the bus was > indeed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > his vehicle and that makes the deaths his fault, period. If you can't > control your vehicle, don't drive. Other than the "criminal coddler" comment, all else you wrote is a possibility, given the very little that we know about this incident at the moment. But then again, we don't know that the bus itself was in perfect operating condition all the way up to the point where it slammed into two cars waiting at the intersection. Other possibilities are mechanical failure of some kind. This incident could have many causes. Speeding could be one of them, but we can't make any logical conclusions at the oment. -Dave > > You're a classic criminal coddler. Maybe this driver fell asleep or > > maybe he was drunk. Who knows and who cares? This guy lost control of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > operating condition all the way up to the point where it slammed into two > cars waiting at the intersection. Other possibilities are mechanical > failure of some kind. This incident could have many causes. Speeding could > be one of them, but we can't make any logical conclusions at the > oment. -Dave Oh jeezuz krist. You keep making excuses for this monster. Now it's the bus's fault!!! URACRIMINALCODDLER Around 5/10/2005 8:05 AM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >>But then again, we don't know that the bus itself was in perfect >>operating condition all the way up to the point where it slammed into two [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Now it's the bus's fault!!! It could be. That's certainly how the article makes it sound: "when the bus (...) collided with two vehicles" "The bus was traveling at a high speed when it uprooted a pole, jumped a median and slammed into two vehicles" All by itself, huh? The article gives the driver one very short sentence in passing, and other than that, it makes it sound as if he were just along for the ride and the bus was doing all the crashing on it's own. It certainly doesn't provide enough information for us to determine a cause, let alone lay the entirety of the burden of guilt at the driver's feet.  Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Mail pgp@v6stang.com for secure contact information) You are a gily man. Tale a slow drive with Senator ted near the water. >> > You're a classic criminal coddler. Maybe this driver fell asleep >or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Oh jeezuz krist. You keep making excuses for this monster. Now it's the >bus's fault!!! URACRIMINALCODDLER Hey, LBMHB - The bus driver was Otto Kennedy, a nephew of Ted Kennedy. Does that change your opinion of him being at fault? > Hey, LBMHB - The bus driver was Otto Kennedy, a nephew of Ted Kennedy. > > Does that change your opinion of him being at fault? Actually, it was 46 year old Irma Thomas. (really) But there's still no conclusion on what caused the collision, AFAIK. -Dave http://www.wdaftv4.com/ > > > You're a classic criminal coddler. Maybe this driver fell asleep > or [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Oh jeezuz krist. You keep making excuses for this monster. Now it's the > bus's fault!!! URACRIMINALCODDLER Some time back you made excuses for Teddy Kennedy, stating the "guard rail on the bridge was only a couple of inches high." When are you going to stop being a criminal coddler, retard? Maybe he's Ted's rent boy when he visits Hyenasport. > If you can't > control your vehicle, don't drive. Like when you were caught doing 41 in a 25, f.cking hypocrite? > Now watch criminal-coddler america let the driver off with a fine. Hell, Ted Kennedy got away with even less. By the way.... http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/0d432631aa98494e?hl=en |
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