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Bushamerica - Govt forces service stations to RAISE  gas prices

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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 12 May 2005 03:40 GMT
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050502032.html

By Justin Blum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 6, 2005; Page A01

A gasoline price war erupted in St. Mary's County last week after one
station slashed its price for regular to $1.999 a gallon and spurred
three others to follow suit, giving drivers some hope of relief at the
pump.

But the price dip proved fleeting.

Maryland regulators quickly stepped in and told the stations that
their prices were too low. They needed to go up by 5 cents.

In as much time as it takes to fill the tank of an SUV, prices at BJ's
Wholesale Club, Sheetz and two Wawa outlets bounced to $2.049 a
gallon.

The sudden fluctuation in the Lexington Park area was the result of a
little-noticed Maryland law that took effect in 2001. The General
Assembly mandated that stations cannot charge less than what they pay
for gas -- unless they're lowering prices to compete with a nearby
station.

Independent service station owners pressed lawmakers for the measure
as a way to protect themselves from big retailers selling gas below
cost to drive them out of business and limit competition. Maryland is
one of at least 13 states to adopt similar laws, which are not in
effect in the District or Virginia.

(snip)

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Justin Priola - 12 May 2005 04:29 GMT
I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
decided to start enforcing the little-known laws that prohibit
underselling of gasoline and require a 6% markup (and the legislature
and the voters are up in arms over it).  Certainly this sounds similar.

BTW, Louisiana's 'unfair pricing' law dates to 1940.
John R Cambron - 12 May 2005 06:22 GMT
> I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
> situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> BTW, Louisiana's 'unfair pricing' law dates to 1940.

That is basically the same thing happening here in Maryland.

What I really find amusing is the originator of the post tries
to blame President Bush for the stopping of the price war. See
massage header. The Democrat controlled Maryland State
Legislature during the previous Democrat administration pass
the law making it unlawful to sell fuel below cost to protect
independent retailers.

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william lynch - 12 May 2005 07:10 GMT
>>I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
>>situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> the law making it unlawful to sell fuel below cost to protect
> independent retailers.

But the cost is dropping, so your culprit couldn't
be the legislature.
John R Cambron - 13 May 2005 16:01 GMT
> >>I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
> >>situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> But the cost is dropping, so your culprit couldn't
> be the legislature.

Did I miss something here or are you responding to a different
thread.

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william lynch - 13 May 2005 17:05 GMT
>>>>I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
>>>>situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Did I miss something here or are you responding to a different
> thread.

You missed something.  The cost of gas right now is going
*down*, so the state mandated price could not go *up*.
Therefore, your rant about the Democrats is invalid in this
case.
John R Cambron - 14 May 2005 05:55 GMT
> >>>>I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
> >>>>situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> Therefore, your rant about the Democrats is invalid in this
> case.

Sure it's going down. However the retailers in question in
the Washington Post article were lowering their prices faster
then the rest of the market in violation of selling of motor
fuel below cost law.

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william lynch - 14 May 2005 17:43 GMT
>>>>>>I thought for a moment there that this thread was referring to the
>>>>>>situation in Louisiana of late, where the agricultural secretary has
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> then the rest of the market in violation of selling of motor
> fuel below cost law.

I think that you and I are at cross purposes here.  I assumed
that the thread was about the prices going up.
Paul - 17 May 2005 03:13 GMT
On Sat, 14 May 2005 01:02:52 -0400, John R Cambron , said the following
in rec.autos.driving...

> > You missed something.  The cost of gas right now is going
> > *down*, so the state mandated price could not go *up*.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> then the rest of the market in violation of selling of motor
> fuel below cost law.

Dumb question, but exactly what to the retailers hope to accomplish with
their price undercutting on gasoline. Is the profit margin on a fountain
coke or a 6-pack of Bud that great?
US 71 - 17 May 2005 03:26 GMT
> Dumb question, but exactly what to the retailers hope to accomplish with
> their price undercutting on gasoline. Is the profit margin on a fountain
> coke or a 6-pack of Bud that great?

Better than on a gallon of gas. A 32 oz fountain drink retails for let's say
99c + tax.  The cup costs maybe 10c,  the fountain syrup, water and
carbonation maybe 15c .  So cost is 25c, retail is 99c yielding 74 percent
profit.

If the mark-up on a gallon of gas is 6c, the retailer only makes 2c after
paying credit card fees... that's maybe 1 percent profit.

If the retailer can get them to stop for the cheap fuel, they stand to make
it up on inside sales. It wouldn't surprise me greatly if gas prices WERE
set at a minimum, since states like Arkansas legislate the minimum markup on
a carton of cigarettes.
Scott en Aztlán - 17 May 2005 04:37 GMT
>Dumb question, but exactly what to the retailers hope to accomplish with
>their price undercutting on gasoline. Is the profit margin on a fountain
>coke or a 6-pack of Bud that great?

It's common knowledge that the most expensive component of a fountain
soda drink is the cup. Let's be generous and say that 44-ounce Super
Big Gulp cup costs $0.05. That's one hell of a profit margin.

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SP Cook - 12 May 2005 11:40 GMT
> A gasoline price war erupted in St. Mary's County last week after one
> station slashed its price for regular to $1.999 a gallon and spurred
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Maryland regulators quickly stepped in and told the stations that
> their prices were too low. They needed to go up by 5 cents.

I normally don't respond to your delusional conspiracy theories, but
you do realize that "Maryland regulators" means the STATE government,
not the FEDERAL government, right?

SP Cook
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 12 May 2005 18:02 GMT
> > A gasoline price war erupted in St. Mary's County last week after one
> > station slashed its price for regular to $1.999 a gallon and spurred
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> you do realize that "Maryland regulators" means the STATE government,
> not the FEDERAL government, right?

So what?
John R Cambron - 13 May 2005 15:55 GMT
> > > A gasoline price war erupted in St. Mary's County last week after
> one
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> So what?

Law and regulation passed by a democrat controlled state
legislature I would also point out.

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Xeton2001IsAFlamingIdiot.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 18 May 2005 01:16 GMT
> > > A gasoline price war erupted in St. Mary's County last week after
> one
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> So what?

Is that the best reply you can offer, or did you again get caught
looking the fool you are?
Paul - 13 May 2005 02:36 GMT
On 12 May 2005 03:40:32 -0700, SP Cook , said the following in
rec.autos.driving...

> I normally don't respond to your delusional conspiracy theories, but
> you do realize that "Maryland regulators" means the STATE government,
> not the FEDERAL government, right?

It is well established that judy SFB can't tell the difference between
"6," and "60," in r.a.d. I highly doubt it has the mental capacity to
determine the difference between state and federal governments.
James C. Reeves - 13 May 2005 03:23 GMT
> On 12 May 2005 03:40:32 -0700, SP Cook , said the following in
> rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "6," and "60," in r.a.d. I highly doubt it has the mental capacity to
> determine the difference between state and federal governments.

Or the fact that Maryland's state legislature is heavily weighted Democrat
and that the sponsor of the bill I believe was also a Democrat.  So Judy is
lambasting his favorite political party to boot with his post.  What could
be any funnier than that!?
RTC - 13 May 2005 08:25 GMT
Your Face ?

> > On 12 May 2005 03:40:32 -0700, SP Cook , said the following in
> > rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> lambasting his favorite political party to boot with his post.  What could
> be any funnier than that!?
James C. Reeves - 13 May 2005 22:28 GMT
To some I suppose.  ;-)

> Your Face ?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>> could
>> be any funnier than that!?
Xeton2001IsAMoron.20.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 13 May 2005 00:05 GMT
"Judy Diarrhea murdered her turd tamper" wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050502032.html

> The sudden fluctuation in the Lexington Park area was the result of a
> little-noticed Maryland law that took effect in 2001. The General
> Assembly mandated that stations cannot charge less than what they pay
> for gas -- unless they're lowering prices to compete with a nearby
> station.

Dumb-a.s; this was done to protect the little guy from the likes of
your hero
Sam Walton. First you piss and moan about corporate execs getting too
much, and when government regulation appears to try to limit that, you
piss and moan about that. No wonder you can't get laid, loser.
James  E. Morrow - 13 May 2005 16:56 GMT
> "Judy Diarrhea murdered her turd tamper" wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> much, and when government regulation appears to try to limit that, you
> piss and moan about that. No wonder you can't get laid, loser.

This was done by Demorats to screw the public. Socialists don't believe
in competition. And they call it "protecting the little guy." Markets
ration supply. Governments can only create inefficiency and scam the
public.

Government does nothing well.

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juridical safeguards of individual freedom as the striving after the
mirage of social justice." Dr. Fredrich August von Hayek

Xeton2001IsAFlamingIdiot.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 18 May 2005 01:14 GMT
James E. Morrow wrote:

> > "Judy Diarrhea murdered her turd tamper" wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/05/AR2005050502032.html

> > > The sudden fluctuation in the Lexington Park area was the result of a
> > > little-noticed Maryland law that took effect in 2001. The General
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> This was done by Demorats to screw the public. Socialists don't believe
> in competition. And they call it "protecting the little guy." Markets

> ration supply. Governments can only create inefficiency and scam the
> public.
>
> Government does nothing well.

It does one thing well: it raises dimorats.
 
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