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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / May 2005Should drunk drivers and speeders be micro-chipped??
If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a criminal coddler. "Microchip" speeders - FOR WHAT? As long as they legally can still drive, what difference does it make whether they drive in Toledo instead of Pittsburgh? And - if this is your "brilliant" idea of cheap traffic enforcement, there will be so many violators you won't have jail space for all of them! See the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW > "Microchip" speeders - FOR WHAT? As long as they legally can still > drive, what difference does it make whether they drive in Toledo > instead of Pittsburgh? And - if this is your "brilliant" idea of cheap > traffic enforcement, there will be so many violators you won't have > jail space for all of them! That's where you're wrong. If there were serious penalties for speeders, there would be no violators. Stop the criminal coddling. > > "Microchip" speeders - FOR WHAT? As long as they legally can still > > drive, what difference does it make whether they drive in Toledo [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > That's where you're wrong. If there were serious penalties for > speeders, there would be no violators. Stop the criminal coddling. Serious penalties for murder, rape, and robbery have eliminated those crimes, huh idiot? >> "Microchip" speeders - FOR WHAT? As long as they legally can still >> drive, what difference does it make whether they drive in Toledo [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >That's where you're wrong. If there were serious penalties for >speeders, there would be no violators. Stop the criminal coddling. The speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders either. Not only that, but the jails would not be full of productive individuals. -------------- Alex > If the speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders either. >Not > only that, but the jails would not be full of productive individuals. > -------------- > Alex HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you are gonna exceed them - unless you know it means prison time. > > If the speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders > either. >Not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you > are gonna exceed them - unless you know it means prison time. You're right; the fact that murder, robbery, and rape means prison time has eliminated those crimes. On 18 May 2005 12:18:12 -0700, , said the following in rec.autos.driving... > > > If the speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders > > either. >Not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You're right; the fact that murder, robbery, and rape means prison time > has eliminated those crimes. Yep, just like DUI and murder laws stopped 'ol Ted on that fateful evening... > On 18 May 2005 12:18:12 -0700, , said the following in > rec.autos.driving... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Yep, just like DUI and murder laws stopped 'ol Ted on that > fateful evening... Thank you for pointing out my oversight. :-D > > > If the speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders > > either. >Not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You're right; the fact that murder, robbery, and rape means prison time > has eliminated those crimes. No one said it did eliminate them. But it did reduce them. If rape was "punished" by a $200 fine, you think rape rates would go up?? > > > > If the speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders > > > either. >Not [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > No one said it did eliminate them. But it did reduce them. If rape was > "punished" by a $200 fine, you think rape rates would go up?? You've said it would eliminate them, moron. Or did you forget this, posted by you earlier in this thread: "HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you are gonna exceed them - unless you know it means prison time." Figure out which side of the fence you're going to sit on, loser. Of course, with Kerry as one of your heroes, it's no wonder you flip-flop so much. >> > HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like >you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >No one said it did eliminate them. But it did reduce them. If rape was >"punished" by a $200 fine, you think rape rates would go up?? There is no evidence that laws OR jail time have any effect on those who would break the law. People make a decision on whether to break a law based on whether they feel the law is just, and without any regard to what the penalty is. The only time the penalty has an effect is when it is overly extreme AND the person is LIKELY to be caught. So, we already have overly extreme punishments for speeding, and they have no effect. What follows is that the only way to reduce it (not eliminate it as that is impossible given the ludicrous limits imposed on competent drivers) is to increase enforcement to a level that ensures a likelihood of getting caught. On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:31:25 -0500, DTJ , said the following in rec.autos.driving... <judy's crap sent to a hazardous waste facility> <snip> > So, we already have overly extreme punishments for speeding, and they > have no effect. What follows is that the only way to reduce it (not > eliminate it as that is impossible given the ludicrous limits imposed > on competent drivers) is to increase enforcement to a level that > ensures a likelihood of getting caught. In other words, the fascist police state that judy so dreams of. > On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:31:25 -0500, DTJ , said the following in > rec.autos.driving... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > In other words, the fascist police state that judy so dreams of. Ah, so that's the reason Judy wishes we would stay out of Iraq; as soon as Judy saves up enough welfare checks, he's moving to Iraq. Explains why he's saving by scrimping on cars, emergency brakes, and tars. Around 5/18/2005 10:36 AM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >>If the speed limits were properly set, there would be no speeders either. Not >>only that, but the jails would not be full of productive individuals. > > HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you > are gonna exceed them Completely false, as usual. See http://www.ibiblio.org/rdu/sl-irrel.html  Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Mail pgp@v6stang.com for secure contact information) >HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you >are gonna exceed them - unless you know it means prison time. Too bad all the data that is available does not support your theory. ------------- Alex > >HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you > >are gonna exceed them - unless you know it means prison time. > > Too bad all the data that is available does not support your theory. Data? I can hear Judy now: "What's data?" >> >HAHAHAHA. No matter where we set speed limits, psychopaths like you >> >are gonna exceed them - unless you know it means prison time. >> >> Too bad all the data that is available does not support your theory. > >Data? I can hear Judy now: "What's data?" A character on Star Trek - pure fiction in Judy's eyes. On 13 May 2005 21:40:50 -0700, editor@netpath.net , said the following in rec.autos.driving... > "Microchip" speeders - FOR WHAT? As long as they legally can still > drive, what difference does it make whether they drive in Toledo [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > See the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW The OP of this thread is a fascist/nazi/communist (take your pick) who has no regard for human life or civil rights and whose real aim is for total and complete subjugation of the populace to the whims of big daddy government. It believes that going after speeders is a cheap and quick way to get around that pesky Constitution that prevents its precious government from wiping its a.s with our rights. BTW, it is also a hypocrite seeing as it is a speeder itself (see .sig below) and drives a vehicle with defective safety equpiment (most notably tires and emergency brake). Of course, I don't see that a.shole volunteering to be first in line to be microchiped or jailed. -- "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." --Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE among others), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg > On 13 May 2005 21:40:50 -0700, editor@netpath.net , said the following in > rec.autos.driving... > > The OP of this thread is a fascist/nazi/communist (take your pick) who You forgot 'idiot' in your list. > has no regard for human life or civil rights and whose real aim is for > total and complete subjugation of the populace to the whims of big daddy > government. It believes that going after speeders is a cheap and quick > way to get around that pesky Constitution that prevents its precious > government from wiping its a.s with our rights. Our rights be damned, as long as it can keep it's rights. > BTW, it is also a hypocrite seeing as it is a speeder itself (see .sig > below) and drives a vehicle with defective safety equpiment (most notably Due to stupidity, laziness, and incompetence, I'm sure. > tires and emergency brake). Of course, I don't see that a.shole > volunteering to be first in line to be microchiped or jailed. Since Xeton is a felon, I'm sure Xeton would be one of the first to be microchipped. >If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where >they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll >know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a >criminal coddler. I AGREE! All those filthy LIBERALS out there should be fixed so they don't breed, and micro-chipped so we can track their where abouts as they go about doing all their criminal acts. This way we could know which liberal was doing what crime, and be able to track that liberal down so that we could put a bullet in its head to keep society safe. First drunk drivers, 'sex offenders' and such - to make it all seem 'normal' and 'reasonable' - then YOU and ME. > First drunk drivers, 'sex offenders' and such - to make it > all seem 'normal' and 'reasonable' - then YOU and ME. Yeah - right now we're only jailing people who committed crimes - to make it seem normal - next thing you know, it'll be YOU and ME. "Conservative Ideals" <conservativeideals@conservativeideals.com> wrote: >> First drunk drivers, 'sex offenders' and such - to make it >> all seem 'normal' and 'reasonable' - then YOU and ME. > >Yeah - right now we're only jailing people who committed crimes - to make it >seem normal - next thing you know, it'll be YOU and ME. Wake up and smell the coffee bud. ANYTHING can be a 'crime'. The legislature simply has to decree it ..... > "Conservative Ideals" <conservativeideals@conservativeideals.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Wake up and smell the coffee bud. ANYTHING can be a 'crime'. > The legislature simply has to decree it ..... Or the voters . . . > "Conservative Ideals" <conservativeideals@conservativeideals.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Wake up and smell the coffee bud. ANYTHING can be a 'crime'. > The legislature simply has to decree it ..... But that doesn't mean that some things aren't fundamentally wrong. Pedophiles and Drunk drivers should suffer heavy penalties for their actions, and part of that is giving up a significant portion of their "privacy." On the other hand, if we were talking about parking tickets, I'd agree with you about that being overboard. You are a girly man...Do you work as a rent boy? > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll > know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a > criminal coddler. No. >If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where >they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll >know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a >criminal coddler. NO >>If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where >>they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll >>know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a >>criminal coddler. > > NO HELL no. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where >>>they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >HELL no. I stand corrected >nate People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, which is a mental illness. The solution is to keep them out of vehicles and in mandatory treatment and counseling. If you're willing to pay the taxes to keep them in prison you may as well spend the money instead on the treatment and counseling. You can't keep them in prison forever and when they get out they'll have the same issues. e...@elcmedia.com wrote: > People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, > which is a mental illness. The solution is to keep them out of > vehicles and in mandatory treatment and counseling. If you're willing > to pay the taxes to keep them in prison you may as well spend the money > instead on the treatment and counseling. You can't keep them in prison > forever and when they get out they'll have the same issues. You're a criminal coddler. Screw your "couseling" bullshit. I want these highway killers punished. > e...@elcmedia.com wrote: > > People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You're a criminal coddler. Screw your "couseling" bullshit. I want > these highway killers punished. Hey moron, you'd be proud of me. I hit 127mph this weekend, and didn't kill anyone! >People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, >which is a mental illness. The solution is to keep them out of >vehicles and in mandatory treatment and counseling. If you're willing >to pay the taxes to keep them in prison you may as well spend the money >instead on the treatment and counseling. You can't keep them in prison >forever and when they get out they'll have the same issues. Spoken like a lobbyist for the substance abuse "treatment" industrial complex. Courts cannot make medical diagnoses. Drunks are drunks and if they repeatedly drive while drunk, then screw 'em. > >People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, > >which is a mental illness. The solution is to keep them out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Courts cannot make medical diagnoses. Drunks are drunks and if they > repeatedly drive while drunk, then screw 'em. Thanks for sharing your ignorance. >> >People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from >alcoholism, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Thanks for sharing your ignorance. Thanks for sharing your brainwashed view of the world. > > >People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from > alcoholism, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Thanks for sharing your ignorance. Once an alcoholic turns the ignition key he becomes a common drunk. We don't "treat" him, we get him the hell out of his car and off the road as quickly as possible. At least that's what SHOULD happen. SignatureCheers, Bev ========================================================== "The last thing you want is for somebody to commit suicide before executing them." -Gary Deland, former Utah director for corrections > People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, > which is a mental illness. The solution is to keep them out of > vehicles and in mandatory treatment and counseling. If you're willing > to pay the taxes to keep them in prison you may as well spend the money > instead on the treatment and counseling. You can't keep them in prison > forever and when they get out they'll have the same issues. First offense, rehabilitation at the perpetrator's expense. Second offense, incarceration and forfeiture of assets. Sounds good to me. If the genetic component of alcoholism is so powerful that the person may be held responsible for his or her actions, that person should never be outside of an institution as they cannot be trusted to act responsibly. If the person expects to be treated as a responsible adult, they must act like a responsible adult - which includes taking responsibility for their actions. On Sun, 15 May 2005 21:27:00 -0600, Conservative Ideals , said the following in rec.autos.driving... > If the genetic component of alcoholism is so powerful that the person may be > held responsible for his or her actions, that person should never be outside > of an institution as they cannot be trusted to act responsibly. I wouldn't go that far, but they definitely should not be allowed to drive or operate any piece of equipment or make decisions or any other activity where someone else'e health/life would be endangered. > On Sun, 15 May 2005 21:27:00 -0600, Conservative Ideals , said the > following in rec.autos.driving... > > > If the genetic component of alcoholism is so powerful that the person may be > > held responsible for his or her actions, that person should never be outside > > of an institution as they cannot be trusted to act responsibly. I think the writer meant "that the person may NOT be held responsible..." > I wouldn't go that far, but they definitely should not be allowed to > drive or operate any piece of equipment or make decisions or any > other activity where someone else'e health/life would be endangered. So how would you accomplish this without incarceration? Every once in a while we read about a person who's lost his license 6 times, done jail time, killed at least one person, and wrecked a lot of stuff. What would YOU do? SignatureCheers, Bev ========================================================== "The last thing you want is for somebody to commit suicide before executing them." -Gary Deland, former Utah director for corrections > People with several DWIs are mostly likely suffering from alcoholism, > which is a mental illness. The solution is to keep them out of > vehicles and in mandatory treatment and counseling. If you're willing > to pay the taxes to keep them in prison you may as well spend the money > instead on the treatment and counseling. You can't keep them in prison > forever and when they get out they'll have the same issues. I guess we just have to kill them, then. I'm amazed that people have so much faith in treatment and counseling -- for other people. Did you see the program about prisons as lunatic asylums the other night? They looked at a system which offered treatment, pretty much all of which was absolutely useless after the 'patient' was pronounced cured. SignatureCheers, Bev ========================================================== "The last thing you want is for somebody to commit suicide before executing them." -Gary Deland, former Utah director for corrections > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll > know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a > criminal coddler. Let's start with you. There's no need for a microchip since there's plenty of room in your head. > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll > know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a > criminal coddler. You should be micro-chipped, on the basis that you are emotionally ill and should be hospitalized and watched at all times. > > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You should be micro-chipped, on the basis that you are emotionally ill > and should be hospitalized and watched at all times. As usual with you. Nothing but namecalling. Around 5/14/2005 9:48 AM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >>You should be micro-chipped, on the basis that you are emotionally ill >>and should be hospitalized and watched at all times. Not to mention on the basis that he is an admitted speeder himself... Judy, as soon as you're willing to submit to microchip implantation and tracking, feel free to volunteer. The cops will just look at you like you're nuts because, well, you *are*. > As usual with you. Nothing but namecalling. It's not like you have earned anything better. Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Mail pgp@v6stang.com for secure contact information) > > > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > > > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll > > > know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a > > > criminal coddler. > > > > You should be micro-chipped, on the basis that you are emotionally ill > > and should be hospitalized and watched at all times. > > As usual with you. Nothing but namecalling. As usual with you. Fascistic proposals, stupidity and dishonesty. It has been explained to you many times that Laura Bush DID NOT "murder her boy friend", and yet you repeat the same lie over and over again. > > > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > > > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > As usual with you. Nothing but namecalling. Don't you hate it when someone adopts your tactics? Son, you frighten me. > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll > know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a > criminal coddler. To be perfectly honest, I think that implanting a chip would be a cheaper alternative than life imprisonment for third strike felons. Then ship them out to someplace like Iowa where they can grow food for people. And save the taxpayers trillions. >If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where >they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll >know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a >criminal coddler. I would have to be dead to be chipped. ---------------- Alex > I would have to be dead to be chipped. I would hope so... Ever seen "Fargo"? I can't even imagine trying to stuff someone into a chipper alive. ;) Signature~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) Not speeders (except chronic significantly speeding drivers), but drunk drivers and aggressive drivers who hog the passing lane should have a microchip that prevents them from starting any car. Eric > If we're not gonna throw these killers and maimers in prison where > they belong, shouldn't we at least put chips in their arms so we'll > know at all times where these criminals are? If you say no, you're a > criminal coddler. |
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