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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / May 2005Drunk driver runs stop sign kills person - gets 15 years
He deserved more but at least this is no slap on the wrist. Of course, laura bush didn't even get that. http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGB9QFPXW8E.html Drunk Driving Defendant Sobs at Sentencing, Then Makes Nasty Comment to Victim's Daughter The Associated Press Published: May 19, 2005 PENSACOLA, Fla. (AP) - A drunk driver being sentenced for a fatal crash sobbed and expressed remorse on the witness stand - then made a nasty remark to the victim's daughter as he was leaving the courtroom. Donald Hawkins, 32, of Chunchula, Ala., received the maximum 15-year prison sentence Wednesday for drunken driving manslaughter. He had pleaded guilty in the crash that killed Mary Archer, 64, in December 2003 when he ran a stop sign while speeding in a 35 mph zone. Trembling on the stand, Hawkins talked about his "tragic mistake" and said he had stopped drinking. But as he was turning to leave the courtroom after learning his sentence, Hawkins told one of the victim's daughters, "I hope this happens to one of your children." Relatives were shocked by the comment from the handcuffed defendant. "I guess that shows how remorseful he really is," said prosecutor David Rimmer, who also heard the comment. "He changed his tune in a hurry. It was a difficult day for both families. It's what I've always said about alcohol: It bites like a serpent and stings like a scorpion." Defense attorney Barry Beroset had asked for something less than the maximum, citing Hawkins' importance to his family. But Circuit Judge Jan Shackelford turned him down. "When you get out of prison, you will return to your family. You will have a life," Shackelford said. "They will not," speaking of Archer's family. Hawkins was ejected from his SUV when it crashed, and initially asked troopers if they had caught the person driving it. Authorities were able to prove he was at the wheel by DNA evidence on the air bag. His blood-alcohol level of 0.18 was more than double the legal limit. > He deserved more but at least this is no slap on the wrist. Of > course, laura bush didn't even get that. And Teddy Kennedy got even less, even though he was drinking at the time. He had a "get out of jail free" card. >> He deserved more but at least this is no slap on the wrist. Of >> course, laura bush didn't even get that. > > And Teddy Kennedy got even less, even though he was drinking at the > time. He had a "get out of jail free" card. I truly wish you both would go play in the freeway. Piss off, eh?  SignatureComrade Mister Yamamoto http://mryamamoto.50megs.com ""Go now, you rich men, weep and howl for the miseries that shall come upon you. Your riches are corrupted...." > He deserved more but at least this is no slap on the wrist. Of > course, laura bush didn't even get that. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > able to prove he was at the wheel by DNA evidence on the air bag. His > blood-alcohol level of 0.18 was more than double the legal limit. If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. If you're driving, stop when required to do so by law. It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a stop light and cause an accident. > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > If you're driving, stop when required to do so by law. > > It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a stop > light and cause an accident. If anything being drunk makes running a stop sign a little more forgiveable since the driver may truly have not seen the sign while a sober person who runs a stop sign is usually doing it on purpose. > If anything being drunk makes running a stop sign a little more > forgiveable since the driver may truly have not seen the sign while a > sober person who runs a stop sign is usually doing it on purpose. You must be kidding. The moment somebody over the legal limit gets behind a wheel and turns on the ignition, he is commiting a violent crime. Everything he does after that is just icing on the cake. He might not be able to see or do alot of things, but that is all his own fault. >>>If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > forgiveable since the driver may truly have not seen the sign while a > sober person who runs a stop sign is usually doing it on purpose. Wow, yet more absolute garbage from the excretory orifice of Judy Diarrhea. If someone runs a stop sign the end result is exactly the same whether a person is drunk or not, and that's what matters. However, I'd suggest that the drunk person be dealt with more harshly because he should have known he was too drunk to drive when he got behind the wheel. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >> If anything being drunk makes running a stop sign a little more >> forgiveable since the driver may truly have not seen the sign while a >> sober person who runs a stop sign is usually doing it on purpose. > Wow, yet more absolute garbage from the excretory orifice of Judy > Diarrhea. If someone runs a stop sign the end result is exactly the > same whether a person is drunk or not, and that's what matters. However, > I'd suggest that the drunk person be dealt with more harshly because he > should have known he was too drunk to drive when he got behind the wheel. I mostly agree. I know people who've been dosed without their knowledge, because some idiot thought it would be amusing to spike the punch bowl with drugs. But if you knew what you were imbibing and chose to do it anyway, you're responsible for the result, just as if you'd planned it. >>>>If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > suggest that the drunk person be dealt with more harshly because he should > have known he was too drunk to drive when he got behind the wheel. Since drinking and driving is a real crime...Judy must be a criminal coddler..hey?! >If anything being drunk makes running a stop sign a little more >forgiveable since the driver may truly have not seen the sign while a >sober person who runs a stop sign is usually doing it on purpose. I think you are running 10 to 1. That is the ratio of things you say that make no sense to those that do. I'm being generous too. --------------- Alex > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > If you're driving, stop when required to do so by law. > > It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a stop > light and cause an accident. To the law it does. When driving drunk, there's willful disregard for the safety of others. >> >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >To the law it does. To the victims, it shouldnt. Dead is dead. > When driving drunk, there's willful disregard >for the safety of others. Running a stop sign sober doesn't show a willful disregard for the safety of others? > >> It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a stop > >> light and cause an accident. > > > >To the law it does. > > To the victims, it shouldnt. Dead is dead. So do you want to change the laws so that people are punished based on the status of the victim, regardless of the circumstances? So that the guy who murders his 8 year old daughter and her best friend gets the same sentence as the driver who didn't see the guy in his blind spot, runs into him, and causes a traffic death? Everything becomes Murder 1? > > When driving drunk, there's willful disregard > >for the safety of others. > > Running a stop sign sober doesn't show a willful disregard for the > safety of others? Not *necessarily*. If the driver doesn't see the stop sign, is that "willful"? Of course not. However, drinking alcohol is a willful act, and getting behind the wheel when drunk is willful too. There are such things as accidents. Most people who get into wrecks on the road would rather not have gotten into a wreck. Most would attempt to prevent a wreck if they could. But there are those who couldn't care less about the people around them, and what result their actions may cause. I don't know about you, but I want to treat them differently under the law. >> >> It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a >stop [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >So do you want to change the laws so that people are punished based on >the status of the victim, regardless of the circumstances? No, but dead is dead. > So that the >guy who murders his 8 year old daughter and her best friend gets the >same sentence as the driver who didn't see the guy in his blind spot, >runs into him, and causes a traffic death? No, but they're both just as dead. >Everything becomes Murder >1? No, but thanks for displaying your simple-minded view of the world. >> > When driving drunk, there's willful disregard >> >for the safety of others. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Not *necessarily*. If the driver doesn't see the stop sign, is that >"willful"? It depends - in most cases, I would say yes. Driving while blind is certainly a willful act. > Of course not. However, drinking alcohol is a willful act, >and getting behind the wheel when drunk is willful too. Yes, that is true. >There are such things as accidents. Most people who get into wrecks on >the road would rather not have gotten into a wreck. But most "accidents" are the result of negligence or worse. >Most would attempt >to prevent a wreck if they could. Yes, even drunks try to avoid wrecks, often with more success than many sober people. > But there are those who couldn't >care less about the people around them, and what result their actions >may cause. > >I don't know about you, but I want to treat them differently under the >law. > >> >> It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a > >stop [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No, but dead is dead. No? You just said YES! What exactly are you arguing? > > So that the > >guy who murders his 8 year old daughter and her best friend gets the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > No, but thanks for displaying your simple-minded view of the world. You're the one who's saying dead is dead. Let me know when you make up your mind on how to prosecute. >> >> >> It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a >> >stop [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >No? You just said YES! What exactly are you arguing? Dead is dead, but I'm not saying that all crimes which result in death should be punished the same. What is so hard to understand about that? >> > So that the >> >guy who murders his 8 year old daughter and her best friend gets the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >You're the one who's saying dead is dead. Let me know when you make up >your mind on how to prosecute. Make the punishment fit the crime. > Make the punishment fit the crime. Except if you're Alice Walton. On Wed, 25 May 2005 16:24:45 GMT, US 71 , said the following in rec.autos.driving... > > Make the punishment fit the crime. > > Except if you're Alice Walton. Money talks and wal-mart bullshit walks. Another reason not to shop in that abortion of a store. God help America. > >> >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Running a stop sign sober doesn't show a willful disregard for the > safety of others? The willful disregard happens when the person turns the key... SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> >> >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. >> >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >The willful disregard happens when the person turns the key... In the case of negligent drivers that is true, regardless of their BAC. > >> >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Running a stop sign sober doesn't show a willful disregard for the > safety of others? Hey Sternno, I guess logic and reasoning are not your strong points. No surprise. Thankfully, the majority disagree with your f.cked up view of the world. > > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > To the law it does. When driving drunk, there's willful disregard > for the safety of others. I don't mean to defend DUIs, but that's arguable. Lots of DUIs don't know they're drunk and many times they're so out of it they don't even see the stop sign. If you blow a stop sign and kill someone, that's manslaughter and drunk or sober shouldn't matter much. That's not how the law looks at it but that's my opinion. > > > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > manslaughter and drunk or sober shouldn't matter much. That's not how > the law looks at it but that's my opinion. If you're "so out of it you don't see the stop sign" you ought to know you're drunk. I can see being slightly over the legal BAC and not knowing it, but drunk enough to actually pose a hazard to other motorists, if you can't tell when you reach that point you shouldn't be drinking OR driving, either one. nate > > > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > know they're drunk and many times they're so out of it they don't even > see the stop sign. Doesn't matter. They willfully got drunk and drove. > If you blow a stop sign and kill someone, that's > manslaughter and drunk or sober shouldn't matter much. Of course it should, as intent is important in a fair judicial system. You leave your walkway ice covered because your on vacation for a week. Someone slips and falls, cracks their head open and dies. You want to be charged with manslaughter equivalent to a drunk driver who purposely got drunk, got behind the wheel, and wiped out a family of four? I mean, if dead is dead, to you that would make sense. To me, it's absolutely ridiculous. >You leave your walkway ice covered because your on vacation for a week. > Someone slips and falls, cracks their head open and dies. You want to Bad example, you could only be at fault if you had shoveled. Around 5/20/2005 9:20 AM, Aunt Judy (Pride of Diarrhea) <http://tinyurl.com/65nqz> wrote: >>>It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a stop >>>light and cause an accident. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I don't mean to defend DUIs, Yet you do just that. The irony is felicitous. > but that's arguable. Lots of DUIs don't > know they're drunk and many times they're so out of it they don't even > see the stop sign. Speaking of a criminal coddler: looks like you're one of the worst... Signature~/Garth "I am patient with stupidity but not with those who are proud of it." - Edith Sitwell (Mail pgp@v6stang.com for secure contact information) On Fri, 20 May 2005 11:40:03 -0700, Garth Almgren , said the following in rec.autos.driving... <judy's crap sent to a hazardous waste facility> > Yet you do just that. The irony is felicitous. Especially with regards to that politician from MA who sank his mistress into a river when she became a liability to him.... "Judy Pride Of Diarrhea murdered his turd tamper" wrote: > > > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > manslaughter and drunk or sober shouldn't matter much. That's not how > the law looks at it but that's my opinion. Yes, but considering your detachment from reality and your other delusions, your opinion is worth about as much as a pile of dog manure. -- Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend (Xeton2001@yahoo.com)'s words of wisdom, love, and respect (spelling and grammatical errors left intact) Put AEOS on the list too. It came out with great earnings and guidance today and yet went down 7% on very heavy volume. When a stock sells off on good news, it's going much lower. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/misc.invest.stocks/msg/1a9e462f5ff431de?hl=en You are an ignoramus. 9-11 was an inside job. That's for sure. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.democrats.d/msg/d4b6e83b246dae5 e?hl=en Fork the dictionary. You've got your definitions and we've got ours. You prolly also think that when laura bush blew a stop sign and crashed into and killed her former BF, that it was just an "accident". HAHA http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/a74373e47d63 8020?hl=en The issue is the psychopath doing 60 mph OVER THE LIMIT!!!!!!!!. This guy is a murderer and i want him locked up anyway they can do it. Three cheers for the cops. http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=780ea958.0411162236.1a4d23a5%40posting.goog le.com Market economy???? HAHAHAHA. Prices are whatever the monopolists want to charge. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.democrats.d/msg/23c9a9e267ecc08 f?hl=en If you speed loons would just slow down we wouldn't have a problem. drive them until the holes get too big for that tire-in-a-can stuff to work. Then do what I do and go to pep boys and get a set of used retreads for $50 and repeat. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/dbe7ec33863c0fc4?hl=en Fork you, beyatch. I'm the greatest troll that ever lived!!!! I'm the world's champ at infuriating all these pschopathic car loonies. HAHAHA http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.misc/msg/8316b755126bd447 Screw driver training and courtesy. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/d4aaae4439d8c383 The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the govt; it's a group of private banks and borrowing from them means the taxpayers have to pay the interest to the banks. This has been going on for nearly a hundred years and it's just stealing from the public and giving to the bankers. JUST PRINT THE DAMN MONEY. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/f15b1f7d7ea0dfe2 I'm not talking about increasing the money supply; just replacing borrowed money with printed money. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/760bbaea47e5f5f9 I know what you mean, dood. I did 5 years in the can myself for beating the crap out of a half-dozen faggot gun loonies i caught raping a collie and I couldn't handle the food either. Goddam beets with every meal. Ended up eating nothing but cans of tuna i bought at the commy. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&edition=us&selm=780e a958.0411242021.7b529c17%40posting.google.com I don't think knife bans will ever happen, since knives are so damn easy to make. I remember when i was in prison for beating up a dozen gun loonies and we used to melt down a thousand or so aspirin tablets into a thick goo and then let it harden into a knife shape which we sharpened against the concrete floor. Anybody can make a knife anywhere out of anything. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.rush-limbaugh/msg/018c5bbd64dd19ac Hey dood. I've been a US senator since 98! You mean you didn't know that??? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/2f1dd067aa0af690 I never voted in my life, you lying whore. All elections are rigged. The globalists rigged this one by paying kerry not to attack bush. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/87a31e73cec1db38 GODDAMMIT - STOP SENDING MESSAGES TO MORE THAN FIVE GROUPS Google won't allow more than five. It's not my job to delete excessive group listings but i seem to spend half my life doing that. OBEY THE RULES, YOU BUTTHOLES!!!! http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/c3d2661d3c6734ed I am not paid to delete the excessive newsgroups you clowns are posting to. Obey the rules or GTF out of here!!!! http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/f5c7a53c81f28cdf Tires don't blow out anymore. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/9a619fee7f463fc2 LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH LAURABUSH http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/b9727d351b4be64a There's not a shred of evidence that the jerries murdered anything close to 7 million jooz. Another monstrous lie just like the 9-11 official story. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/3650866dc7ecbadc Bush is dictator and that means he has to take the blame for everything. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.democrats.d/msg/a2d35f67fd7b6003 Has he killed as many people as Laura Bush? http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.flame.niggers/msg/c2ff1fca08982a38 You don't know what you're talking about, dood. AIDS is an american bioweapon developed by americans so that blacks would be esp susceptible to it. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/rec.sport.baseball/msg/cd9d112311697712 She knows it won't matter. Blake is white so the media will insist on a not guilty verdict. :http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/59c74805c56a5747 YOu stupid lying shithead. All bush has accomplished in AFG is to make it the world's leading heroin supplier. And BTW it wasn't a war. It was a massacre against a defenseless nation that never did anything to us. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/29a86842abe0d9d6 She's just damn lucky the press is owned by the GOP and doesn't crucify her for vehicular manslaughter like they've done to ted kennedy for 35 years. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/cac630fd8aec9a63 You're crazy. There will be a draft. Bush is gonna stage another 9-11 type event and then say we have no choice but to go to war against every muslim nation. And democrats will say nothing. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/b4a8ea8427fdf968 I'm saying that bush obviously doesn't want to catch OBL. Not now that the election is over, anyway. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/46a00a246987524f You're crazy, dood. Google is a super rw org and they censor liberals. RW posters here get away with everything while libs have to be choir boys. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.prophecies.nostradamus/msg/ca35950242741f13 That's why so many legal scholars think republicans should be banned from juries. Anyone who'd vote for a man who lied us into war is too dumb to sit on a jury. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.true-crime/msg/4dc8560247663014 Wouldn't have mattered if hitty had one. He took his orders from the same organization that roosevelt did and bush does today. http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/cd58ee450b438b19 You can't even lie any good. No where in the country are cops issued crown victorias. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&edition=us&selm=780e a958.0410112125.4b572994%40posting.google.com i'm sure jeffrey dahmer also objects to big daddy govt telling him he can't kill people anymore. http://groups.google.com/groups?q=g:thl1665104637d&dq=&hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=o ff&edition=us&selm=780ea958.0410311919.5f4893f4%40posting.google.com At first i thought the tars had been slashed but no, the tars were fine http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&edition=us&selm=780e a958.0410311926.d89b941%40posting.google.com I hate cell phone drivers but at least this gal had the sense to drive slowly while yakking. http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&c2coff=1&safe=off&edition=us&selm=780e a958.0411231910.47c6ceb7%40posting.google.com Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought. Turns out the cop was right. No complaints from me then. I should have known the law. : http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.autos/msg/b140009050c624a9 http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/hornsey/515/Xeton2001IsAMoron.html > >If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. > > If you're driving, stop when required to do so by law. > > It doesn't matter how sober you are if you run a stop sign or a stop > light and cause an accident. Hey Sternno, Wern't you giving EJ a hard time for responding. Talk about nerve. How can you be critical of EJ and the you do the same thing. Loser. I liked it better when you didn't respond. In the future butt out of my posts, hypocrite On 5/20/05 11:11 PM, in article 1116623501.808173.77880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, >>> If your getting loaded stay off of the highway. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > it better when you didn't respond. In the future butt out of my posts, > hypocrite Go f.ck yourself with a broomstick, Eddy, you sh.t stain. ej > On 5/20/05 11:11 PM, in article > 1116623501.808173.77880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ej At least I can hold a broomstick moron. |
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