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Illegal immigrants got licenses to transport hazardous materials

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Moderate Mammal - 24 Jun 2005 00:29 GMT
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/11969212.htm

Thu, Jun. 23, 2005

Illegal immigrants got licenses to transport hazardous materials

By Shannon McCaffrey

Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - A federal crackdown on fraud at state motor vehicle
departments across the country has nabbed dozens of illegal immigrants
licensed to transport hazardous materials.

While none of those apprehended has any known links to terrorism,
federal agents said Thursday that the recent busts have revealed a
significant threat to homeland security. In one case, a Pakistani man
ordered to leave the United States nine years ago was instead driving
a tanker truck filled with gasoline for Exxon.

"This is a national security issue," said Elissa Brown, the special
agent in charge of the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement's
office in Chicago, where six men were taken into custody.

"Illegal aliens should not have the freedom to transport hazardous
materials throughout the United States."

The Justice Department has begun deportation proceedings against the
six illegal immigrants in Chicago, who'd obtained commercial drivers'
licenses that allowed them to carry hazardous materials. The men are
from Belize, Jordan, Mexico, Mongolia and the Philippines.

In Baltimore, a federal grand jury this week indicted Mansoor Hassan
on six counts of making false statements about his citizenship,
according to court documents. In 1996, a U.S. immigration judge
ordered Hassan to leave the country. He didn't and later got a
Maryland commercial driver's license. Hassan drove tanker trucks for
three different oil companies before federal authorities caught up
with him, they said.

In Florida, 52 people were arrested in late April - including three
Florida motor vehicle department employees - for distributing some
2,000 drivers' licenses to illegal immigrants as part of massive fraud
ring. Thirty-six of them were hazardous material commercial drivers'
licenses, officials said. Some of those arrested had been convicted on
weapons or drug charges or for reckless driving.

Many states have strengthened their hazardous materials license
screening since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. However, state
laws remain inconsistent, and Customs says it remains relatively easy
to obtain fraudulent documents that can be used to get a driver's
license. It's unknown how many illegal immigrants obtained such
licenses prior to Sept. 11.

The bipartisan commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks
criticized sometimes lax state standards for obtaining drivers'
licenses. Eighteen of the 19 hijackers in those attacks had valid
drivers' licenses or state-issued identification cards.

Earlier this year, President Bush signed a law that requires all
driver's license applicants to provide proof of citizenship or legal
residency. States have three years to comply.

Dean Boyd, a spokesman for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement
bureau, said other driver's license fraud investigations are ongoing.


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DTJ - 25 Jun 2005 00:01 GMT
>Many states have strengthened their hazardous materials license
>screening since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. However, state
>laws remain inconsistent, and Customs says it remains relatively easy
>to obtain fraudulent documents that can be used to get a driver's
>license. It's unknown how many illegal immigrants obtained such
>licenses prior to Sept. 11.

I can't wait for the liberals to bitch about how Bush won't fund this.
States aren't doing their jobs, and are encouraging illegal
immigration, and want to push the blame on the feds.
nospam4me@mytrashmail.com - 25 Jun 2005 01:14 GMT
In alt.politics.immigration DTJ <none@nowhere.com> wrote:

> I can't wait for the liberals to bitch about how Bush won't fund this.
> States aren't doing their jobs, and are encouraging illegal
> immigration, and want to push the blame on the feds.

You're more likely to see states complaining and trying to get injunctive
relief because they don't have the money to totally replace their current
computer systems and software in favor of those which support REAL ID not
to mention the extra staff they will need both at the RMV/DMV end and at
the Vital Statistics/City Clerk end to verify birth certificates in a
timely manner.

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SloRide - 25 Jun 2005 01:49 GMT
>>Many states have strengthened their hazardous materials license
>>screening since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. However, state
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> States aren't doing their jobs, and are encouraging illegal
> immigration, and want to push the blame on the feds.

*STATES* are encouraging illegal immigration????

In my opinion the whole issue of "Homeland Security" is a scam. An entire
cabinet level bureaucracy created for what? Common sense tells you that if
you REALLY want to secure the homeland then the first thing you do is secure
the nation's borders. This administration has done nothing to secure either
our land borders or our ports of entry.

As for driver licenses with hazardous material endorsements: the background
checks are a complete waste of time. According to a recent quote in the
local paper the Sheriff in my county stated that a fingerprint check from a
crime scene takes 6 to 10 weeks to get a response from the FBI fingerprint
lab. So now we add a bunch of senseless checks on truck drivers to the lab's
burden. If terrorists want a load of hazmat, they will TAKE IT! None of the
9/11 hijackers obtained a pilot's license or applied for a commercial
airline pilot's job.

Meanwhile the Cheney administration has murdered over 1700 good American
soldiers for fun and profit in Iraq, while the Al-Quida terrorist training
camps in Sudan and Somalia go on unmolested.
DTJ - 26 Jun 2005 05:30 GMT
>In my opinion the whole issue of "Homeland Security" is a scam. An entire
>cabinet level bureaucracy created for what? Common sense tells you that if
>you REALLY want to secure the homeland then the first thing you do is secure
>the nation's borders. This administration has done nothing to secure either
>our land borders or our ports of entry.

Illegal immigration is down significantly from clinton.  Remember that
clinton allowed the population to increase from 3 to 13 million in his
terms.

Should whoever is in control close the borders?  Yes.  But please
don't whine about Bush when clinton was such a f.ck up.

>As for driver licenses with hazardous material endorsements: the background
>checks are a complete waste of time. According to a recent quote in the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>9/11 hijackers obtained a pilot's license or applied for a commercial
>airline pilot's job.

There's a good answer, typical from a liberal.  Ignore it because it
is too hard to fix.

>Meanwhile the Cheney administration has murdered over 1700 good American
>soldiers for fun and profit in Iraq, while the Al-Quida terrorist training
>camps in Sudan and Somalia go on unmolested.

You might recall that the training camps you speak of were actually
reputable businesses.  You know, when your guy murdered a few families
by sending cruise missiles at an aspirin plant.  

Of course you ignore the fact that those soldiers were killed by
terrorists.  The ones coming in from Iran and Syria.  Iraqis are for
the most part glad to see us.  The only ones that aren't are from the
Bathist party, and those are by definition terrorists because of how
they are choosing to kill innocents.

The sad thing is how much a waste of time this is, because you are not
one of the few intelligent liberals.
Tiny Human Ferret - 26 Jun 2005 17:11 GMT
>>>Many states have strengthened their hazardous materials license
>>>screening since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. However, state
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> *STATES* are encouraging illegal immigration????

Yes, and counties and local-level governments as well.

Montgomery County Maryland is particularly notorious.

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Paul. - 26 Jun 2005 21:57 GMT
On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 20:49:11 -0400, SloRide , said the following in
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> > I can't wait for the liberals to bitch about how Bush won't fund this.
> > States aren't doing their jobs, and are encouraging illegal
> > immigration, and want to push the blame on the feds.
>
> *STATES* are encouraging illegal immigration????

But of course. Illegal imigrants = cheap labor w/ no taxes required. It
doesn't matter if its a republican's factory worker/migrant tomato picker
or the democrat's maid/nanny/gardener.

> In my opinion the whole issue of "Homeland Security" is a scam. An entire
> cabinet level bureaucracy created for what? Common sense tells you that if
> you REALLY want to secure the homeland then the first thing you do is secure
> the nation's borders. This administration has done nothing to secure either
> our land borders or our ports of entry.

I'd settle for some standards for just who we let into this country.

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Lets Roll - 26 Jun 2005 23:36 GMT
>>>Many states have strengthened their hazardous materials license
>>>screening since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. However, state
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> *STATES* are encouraging illegal immigration????

Yes.  Illegal aliens count towards how many representatives each state will
be able to send to DC to represent them.  The census counts for 2000
produced changes in the size of congressional delegations in 18 states.
Gaining two seats each were Arizona, Florida, Georgia, and Texas. The states
of California, Colorado, Nevada, and North Carolina each gained one seat.
All the "gainers" have suffered a dramatic influx of illegal aliens over the
past 10 years. New York and Pennsylvania lost two seats each, while
Connecticut, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Ohio, Oklahoma, and
Wisconsin each lost one seat.  Americans in states without huge illegal
alien populations are losing their representation.  Sounds like taxation
without representation to me.

> In my opinion the whole issue of "Homeland Security" is a scam. An entire
> cabinet level bureaucracy created for what? Common sense tells you that if
> you REALLY want to secure the homeland then the first thing you do is
> secure the nation's borders. This administration has done nothing to
> secure either our land borders or our ports of entry.

It is a scam.  I believe it is what is called pork barrel politics, not
meant to do a whole lot of anything, other than increase taxes and provide a
huge profit for a select few.

> As for driver licenses with hazardous material endorsements: the
> background checks are a complete waste of time. According to a recent
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> they will TAKE IT! None of the 9/11 hijackers obtained a pilot's license
> or applied for a commercial airline pilot's job.

It also serves to increase state revenues.  My CDL license with a haz-mat
endorsement went from $60 to over $160 to cover the background check this
past May.  States are constantly looking for ways to support the 20 million
illegal alien residents over running our schools, bringing increased crime,
and placing stress on infrastructures.

> Meanwhile the Cheney administration has murdered over 1700 good American
> soldiers for fun and profit in Iraq, while the Al-Quida terrorist training
> camps in Sudan and Somalia go on unmolested.

Hell, terrorist training camps in America go unmolested.  Just take a look
around any college campus with a MeCHA chapter.
Strabo - 27 Jun 2005 06:43 GMT
In Re: Illegal immigrants got licenses to transport hazardous
materials on Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:36:57 GMT, by Lets Roll, we
read:

>>>>Many states have strengthened their hazardous materials license
>>>>screening since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. However, state
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>alien populations are losing their representation.  Sounds like taxation
>without representation to me.

Due to vote count corruption, rigged computers and illegal aliens
voting, we must assume all elections are invalid. The solutions
are obvious but will not come until the Congress is viewed as
invalid and complicit.

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Strabo - 29 Jun 2005 01:49 GMT
In Re: Illegal immigrants got licenses to transport hazardous
materials on Mon, 27 Jun 2005 05:43:23 GMT, by Strabo, we read:

>In Re: Illegal immigrants got licenses to transport hazardous
>materials on Sun, 26 Jun 2005 22:36:57 GMT, by Lets Roll, we
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>are obvious but will not come until the Congress is viewed as
>invalid and complicit.

That sounds awfully dogmatic. Let me soften it a bit.

Due to vote count corruption, rigged computers and illegal alien
voters, we must now view all elections with suspicion. The
solutions to these problems may be obvious but will not come
about until the Congress itself is scrutinized for it's
complicity.

That's much better.

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Juan - 27 Jun 2005 14:29 GMT
<< Hell, terrorist training camps in America go unmolested.  Just take
a look
around any college campus with a MeCHA chapter. >>

What's your problem Rolls of Fat?  Couldn't get your local Klan chapter
or your Hitler Youth chapter recognized at the local community college?

Bahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha!
.223 - 28 Jun 2005 17:19 GMT
> << Hell, terrorist training camps in America go unmolested.  Just take
> a look
> around any college campus with a MeCHA chapter. >>
>
> What?

 Get back to your game of fitting the square peg in the round hole, you
fucktard.

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