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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / July 2005Sloth Coaster Gets His Come-Uppance
While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted speed limit was 55 MPH, but because there was a red light a half mile down the road, this SC was puttering along at about 35 MPH. After a couple cars in the next lane turned off I managed to break free. The ultimate irony ensued when I sailed through the now-green signal at full speed, while the Sloth Coaster got stuck behind some dreamer in a Durango who had been stopped at the red light and failed to begin moving immediately when the light turned green. I heard the Sloth Coaster honk his horn impatiently and slow to a near-complete stop before the Dreamer Durango started to move. Think of it as Road Karma in action. :) You are totally wacked out to let stuff like that bother you. Bet you're one of those psychos that beats his kid if the poor little guy strikes out in a litttle league game. >You are totally wacked out to let stuff like that bother you. Bet >you're one of those psychos that beats his kid if the poor little guy >strikes out in a litttle league game. Can you tell me more about this "Laura Bush" thingy? > You are totally wacked out to let stuff like that bother you. Bet > you're one of those psychos that beats his kid if the poor little guy > strikes out in a litttle league game. Aren't you one of those psychos who speeds through school zones, completely oblivious until you're pulled over and ticketed? Dave > > You are totally wacked out to let stuff like that bother you. Bet > > you're one of those psychos that beats his kid if the poor little guy [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Dave No i don't so stop saying things you can't prove. >No i don't so stop saying things you can't prove. You can't prove anything you post. >You are totally wacked out to let stuff like that bother you. Bet >you're one of those psychos that beats his kid if the poor little guy >strikes out in a litttle league game. Heh heh - you should have seen what I did to the little punk when he got caught speeding in a school zone... I almost kicked his teeth in! > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Think of it as Road Karma in action. :) I don't get it. It seems to me the guy in the SUV was doing nothing wrong. If he had driven 55 up to the intersection, he would have had to lock up his brakes to keep from hitting the Durango. If you hadn't decided to switch into LLB mode, the SUV drive could have switched into the left lane and sailed through the intersection at full speed as well. You seem to think you have a right to drive like a total a.s because anyone in front of you is a "Sloth" driver. Grow up. Ed >> Think of it as Road Karma in action. :) > >I don't get it. It seems to me the guy in the SUV was doing nothing wrong. He was needlessly blocking traffic by driving at half the posted speed limit in the left lane. You see nothing wrong with that? Oh, wait - I forgot who I was talking to. :) >If he had driven 55 up to the intersection, he would have had to lock up his >brakes to keep from hitting the Durango. No, he could have changed lanes just as I did. >If you hadn't decided to switch >into LLB mode, the SUV drive could have switched into the left lane and >sailed through the intersection at full speed as well. The Sloth Coaster was in the left lane the entire time, as was the Dreamer's Durango. And, since I was moving twice as fast as he was (once I escaped his rolling roadblock), he could have changed lanes behind me. For whatever reason he was too witless to do so. >You seem to think >you have a right to drive like a total a.s because anyone in front of you is >a "Sloth" driver. Grow up. Driving at the posted speed limit is driving "like a total a.s?" I think you're starting to lose it, Ed... ;) >>> Think of it as Road Karma in action. :) >> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > I think you're starting to lose it, Ed... ;) Well you are including additional information not in your original post. I thought you were totally against passing on the right? And slowing down to catch the light while you are still rolling can increase the average speed of traffic (hitting the intersection at 30 mph is faster than stopping and accelerating from 0). Roaring up to a red light and screeching to a halt wastes gas and time. I'll admit there are cases where people slow down way to much and way to soon. However, it seems to me that your characterization of the SUV driver in your little story is just another case of you trying to demonize someone driving in a safe and reasonable manner (well except for possibly being an LLB - sounds like it was a busy surface street). At worst, he did nothing to interfere with you. In fact it seems to me like you should have titled your little story, "How I cut off another diver and passed him on the right." Every time I see one of your "sloth driver" tales, all I see is a bad driver trying to justify his rude and possibly dangerous behavior by claiming the other guy is a "sloth." I guess we are lucky we are a continent apart. I can only imagine how you would have written he story if the SUV driver had switched to right lane in front of you......maybe you would have said - "Killer Sloth SUV Driver slows me down by 1 sec at a light...." Ed >Well you are including additional information not in your original post. Apparently clarification was necessary. >I thought you were totally against passing on the right? No, that's Ricardo. I'm totally pragmatic - if there's a way around a Sloth, I'll take it; I won't waste my time in a futile attempt to "teach them a lesson." >And slowing down to >catch the light while you are still rolling can increase the average speed >of traffic CAN. But not all practitioners are competent. Hence the distinction between "Coasters" and "Sloth Coasters." >However, it seems to me that your characterization >of the SUV driver in your little story is just another case of you trying to >demonize someone driving in a safe and reasonable manner (well except for >possibly being an LLB - sounds like it was a busy surface street). At worst, >he did nothing to interfere with you. Amazing how you can make that determination without having been there yourself. How about telling us where Jimmy Hoffa is buried before your clairvoyance wears off? >In fact it seems to me like you should >have titled your little story, "How I cut off another diver and passed him >on the right." How could I cut him off? I was stuck BEHIND him. :rolleyes: >>Well you are including additional information not in your original post. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > CAN. But not all practitioners are competent. Hence the distinction > between "Coasters" and "Sloth Coasters." I am sure you are the qualified to make the distinction. Of course in your mind anyone who is slowing you in the least is a sloth. >>However, it seems to me that your characterization >>of the SUV driver in your little story is just another case of you trying [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > yourself. How about telling us where Jimmy Hoffa is buried before your > clairvoyance wears off? I was just reading your information - "After a couple cars in the next lane turned off I managed to break free. The ultimate irony ensued when I sailed through the now-green signal at full speed, while the Sloth Coaster got stuck behind some dreamer in a Durango who had been stopped at the red light and failed to begin moving immediately when the light turned green." Seems to me that the SUV driver could have moved into the right lane before you and had to slow or stop for the turning traffic, or did exactly as he did - slow down as he approached a red light with a vehicle stopped in his lane. You were the one switching lanes and passing on the right. If the Durango had pulled off in a normal manner, what story would you have concocted? I am sure if the SUV driver had switched to the right lane, you'd have bitched about another sloth driver cutting you off and preventing you from sailing through the intersection at full speed. I suppose you would have been happier if the SUV driver had switched to the right lane, blazed up to the intersection at 55, skidded to a halt at the red light, and then pulled off with yourself trapped behind. Yeah right, I am sure that is what you would have wanted. You spend a lot of time creating stories that prove you are an inconsiderate and potentially dangerous driver. Grow up. >>In fact it seems to me like you should >>have titled your little story, "How I cut off another diver and passed him >>on the right." > > How could I cut him off? I was stuck BEHIND him. :rolleyes: Clearly you were not stuck behind him since you bragged about blowing by him. I am only guessing but your usual self described driving style leads me to believe you probably roared up on his rear end, cut into the right as soon as the turning traffic moved out of the lane before a reasonably competent driver had time to check his mirrors, signal his intentions, and make a legal lane change - i.e., you cut him off. Again just a guess, but I suspect a good one. It fits your self described rude behavior. Of course, I am sure you just see it as a great bit of driving. After all, it is all about you. Ed > I am sure you are the qualified to make the distinction. Of course in your > mind anyone who is slowing you in the least is a sloth. Here is how I judge a driver as a "sloth": A driver slows me down needlessly while I am using my bicycle or executed any driving task slower than I do on bicycle under the same conditions, the driver is a sloth. In other words, if there is a turn that I take at 20mph on my bicycle and a driver takes it at 5mph, that driver is sloth. > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Think of it as Road Karma in action. :) I don't understand this obsession with "sloth coasters..." Often when approaching a red light I will start coasting down well back from the light, then when it turns green all I have to do is drop a gear or two and blow past all the people that ran up to the light at full speed and then had to stop for it. Saves wear and tear on the car as well as gasoline. nate > I don't understand this obsession with "sloth coasters..." Often when > approaching a red light I will start coasting down well back from the > light, then when it turns green all I have to do is drop a gear or two > and blow past all the people that ran up to the light at full speed > and then had to stop for it. Saves wear and tear on the car as well > as gasoline. Same here; I usually get the jump on the jerky drivers who haul a.s to a red light. >> I don't understand this obsession with "sloth coasters..." Often when >> approaching a red light I will start coasting down well back from the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Same here; I usually get the jump on the jerky drivers who haul a.s to a > red light. I do this too. It works great on timed lights, but hey. Some folks just have to get to the next light before anyone else. >> Same here; I usually get the jump on the jerky drivers who haul a.s to a >> red light. > >I do this too. It works great on timed lights ...Which do not exist here in SoCal in any great numbers. And therein lies the flaw in the whole Coaster concept: there absolutely no way to tell from half a mile away when the light is going to change - yet these Sloth Coasters smugly hold up traffic and think they're smarter than everybody else. What tools! >>> Same here; I usually get the jump on the jerky drivers who haul a.s to a >>> red light. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > these Sloth Coasters smugly hold up traffic and think they're smarter > than everybody else. So instead they should roar up to the intersection at full speed, lock their brakes when the light doesn't change, and then set at a stop until it does change. Glad to see you are so smart. Do you every look in the mirror? Ed >Glad to see you are so smart. Do you every look in the mirror? Yes, I do - every time I want to see a Sloth, I look in my REAR VIEW mirror. :) >>> Same here; I usually get the jump on the jerky drivers who haul a.s to a >>> red light. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > these Sloth Coasters smugly hold up traffic and think they're smarter > than everybody else. What tools! I can predict how sensor driven lights will operate. Especially the ones I often deal with. If I can see other vehicles at the light, I can reasonably predict the timing of the green signal rather often. > I can predict how sensor driven lights will operate. Especially the > ones I often deal with. If I can see other vehicles at the light, I > can reasonably predict the timing of the green signal rather often. Let's face it, Brent: you have the additional advantage in this respect of also being a cyclist. When I learnt to drive in rural North Devon three decades back I didn't have to deal with very many traffic lights. When I went to university in Manchester and took to the roads on two wheels I quickly learnt to read the lights well ahead. Will the light be green when I get to it? Should I ease off to catch the next (or next-but-one) early green? Or pedal like stink to catch a late green? Such considerations got me reading the road alright ... > Let's face it, Brent: you have the additional advantage in this > respect of also being a cyclist. That's probably very true. I never really know a road until I use it with a bicycle. Also much of my driving is based on bicycling experience. I also realize something from what you wrote. Tonight I knew the condition of a traffic light ahead, one blocked by a hill before I even saw it. The couple of cars I could see was enough to tell me it was green and wouldn't be green long enough for me make it from my present location. This is the same light where the first time I approached it from this direction I did a downhill sprint and it went red on me. I slammed on the brakes, locked up the rear removed a patch of rubber from my new rear tire. I also found that flexible bumper filler does a good job of repairing such damage ;) >>>> Same here; I usually get the jump on the jerky drivers who haul a.s to a >>>> red light. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >I often deal with. If I can see other vehicles at the light, I can >reasonably predict the timing of the green signal rather often. That would place you squarely into the "competent" category. >"JohnH" <johnharlow@gmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I do this too. It works great on timed lights, but hey. Some folks just >have to get to the next light before anyone else. Racing to a red light also works with actuated lights if nobody is yet waiting at the sensor. Getting to the red light quicker will get me through the intersection sooner.  SignatureJohn Carr (jfc@mit.edu) >>"JohnH" <johnharlow@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >yet waiting at the sensor. Getting to the red light quicker will >get me through the intersection sooner. Not always. Many sensor actuated lights merely have the sensor make a request to give a green phase at a specified time. For example, suppose the minor street is allowed a green every minute, but a green is only given if the sensor indicates someone is there. So if you are approaching on the minor street a few seconds before the light is allowed to turn green, reaching the sensor as soon as you can may save you a minute. But if the light just turned red, racing to it won't help unless it would otherwise take you a minute to get there. Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ Timothy J. Lee Unsolicited bulk or commercial email is not welcome. No warranty of any kind is provided with this message. >It works great on timed lights Not too many of those here in LA, though. What's also infuriating here is how you'll leave one green light, and the light ahead goes red halfway to it (and trust me, these people move *slowly*). It's as if there's a plan in place to keep street traffic moving at a crawl. -Kenny SignatureKenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 >I don't understand this obsession with "sloth coasters..." It's pretty simple: they needlessly block the road, reducing overall capacity and throughput. I can't count the number of times I've missed a left turn arrow because some inconsiderate Sloth Coaster saw a red light up ahead and decided to just roll up to it at 20 MPH (in a 50 MPH zone). By the time I can get into the left turn pocket, my window of opportunity is closed, and I have to wait through an entire light cycle - and all because some a.shole thought HE was the most important driver on the road. >Often when >approaching a red light I will start coasting down well back from the >light, then when it turns green all I have to do is drop a gear or two >and blow past all the people that ran up to the light at full speed and >then had to stop for it. Saves wear and tear on the car as well as >gasoline. That's fine - just do it in the middle lane so that you don't needlessly block the entrances to right or left turn pockets. That's just basic courtesy. >>I don't understand this obsession with "sloth coasters..." > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > cycle - and all because some a.shole thought HE was the most important > driver on the road. Had you not had your left turn signal on, the driver in front of you would have sped up to allow you to catch the green. (yeah right) > Had you not had your left turn signal on, the driver in front of > you would have sped up to allow you to catch the green. > > (yeah right) Exactly. I've had other drivers stop short and deliberately block enterance to turn lanes. Even honking the horn to get them to move forward into the 3-4 car length gap in front of them didn't work. >Exactly. I've had other drivers stop short and deliberately block >enterance to turn lanes. Even honking the horn to get them to move >forward into the 3-4 car length gap in front of them didn't work. Happens here all the time- but in SoCal, I don't think they do it deliberately; "cluelessly" (with the attendant cellphone stuck in their heads) is a more apt term. -Kenny SignatureKenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 In article <11fnd1pmfkbutvjs679ds16gqreagg3hnq@4ax.com>, newsgroup says: >It's pretty simple: they needlessly block the road, reducing overall >capacity and throughput. I can't count the number of times I've missed >a left turn arrow because some inconsiderate Sloth Coaster saw a red >light up ahead and decided to just roll up to it at 20 MPH (in a 50 >MPH zone). Amen; it's not about the *sloth* car, it's about all the poor fsckers stuck *behind* him (or usually, "her"). -Kenny SignatureKenneth R. Crudup Sr. SW Engineer, Scott County Consulting, Los Angeles H: 3630 S. Sepulveda Blvd. #138, L.A., CA 90034-6809 (310) 391-1898 > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted > speed limit was 55 MPH, but because there was a red light a half mile > down the road, this SC was puttering along at about 35 MPH. Why aren't you laying on the horn to wake the clueless idiot up? Scott en Aztlán wrote: > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted > speed limit was 55 MPH, but because there was a red light a half mile > down the road, this SC was puttering along at about 35 MPH. - Why aren't you laying on the horn to wake the clueless idiot up? Because that would be "road rage", and you could be ticketed for it. -Dave > Why aren't you laying on the horn to wake the clueless idiot up? > Because that would be "road rage", and you could be ticketed for it. -Dave It's more because it usually doesn't do anything but waste the horn. To these idiots, the horn is used when: You are waiting in front of somebody's house or apartment with the engine idling, instead of turning off the vehicle and going inside to see if there is something delaying them. You see somebody driving faster than you. You're blocked by someone who wants to drive slower than you, after you've blocked traffic for the past five minutes. You're behind someone at a green light that doesn't move on green, after you've done the delayed start at the past five traffic lights. > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted I was at a hardware store today when some f.cking moron parked his car blocking the exit for *20* minutes. Four people tried telling him to move it, but he refused until he was done shopping... The only good thing about it was that I was working, so at least I was paid for waiting, but I was still pissed. And there's only so much you can do when you have your company's logo on the doors... Ulf > The only good thing about it was that I was working, so at > least I was paid for waiting, but I was still pissed. And > there's only so much you can do when you have your company's > logo on the doors... Even if it's the logo of a breaker's yard or other outfit that runs tow trucks? >>The only good thing about it was that I was working, so at >>least I was paid for waiting, but I was still pissed. And [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Even if it's the logo of a breaker's yard or other outfit that > runs tow trucks? Well, I do work for a recycling company. However, scrap metal doesn't really pay enough by the ton to be worth all the hassle from the car owner... :-) Ulf > > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > waiting, but I was still pissed. And there's only so much you can do > when you have your company's logo on the doors... Heh, someone blocked a parking lot with a Corrolla when an unnamed driver had a pickup about 2 years ago, and similarly said everyone else could wait until they were done, or find some other way out. Since the truck's towing capacity was about double the Toyota's weight, the driver slowly started pushing the Toyota (parking brakes be damned!) until it's owner realized the driver wasn't joking and decided it would be smart to get it out of the exit. The Toyota owner threatened to call the cops, but everyone else waiting (as well as an employee who came out to see what happened) were eager to be the driver's alabi. Nobody saw nothing, and everyone else was free to leave. (Names have been changed, but you get the idea.) ;) Dave >Since the truck's towing capacity was about double the Toyota's weight, >the driver slowly started pushing the Toyota (parking brakes be >damned!) until it's owner realized the driver wasn't joking and decided >it would be smart to get it out of the exit. Perfect. >The Toyota owner threatened to call the cops, but everyone else waiting >(as well as an employee who came out to see what happened) were eager >to be the driver's alabi. Nobody saw nothing, and everyone else was >free to leave. (Names have been changed, but you get the idea.) ;) If he had called the cops, first thing they'd do after hearing the story is probably write him a ticket for something... > >Since the truck's towing capacity was about double the Toyota's weight, > >the driver slowly started pushing the Toyota (parking brakes be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If he had called the cops, first thing they'd do after hearing the story > is probably write him a ticket for something... Delay of donut maybe?? Harry K >I was at a hardware store today when some f.cking moron parked his car >blocking the exit for *20* minutes. Four people tried telling him to >move it, but he refused until he was done shopping... The only good >thing about it was that I was working, so at least I was paid for >waiting, but I was still pissed. Walking through a parking lot this evening to a restaurant, a small car pulls into the aisle, stops right in the middle (despite a multitude of open spaces they could have easily pulled into). The driver and his passenger both get out, Chinese-firedrill-style, and proceed to swap drivers - despite the cars waiting behind to get through. The happy couple then proceeds to engage in a nice, deep kiss while still standing in the open driver's door. The woman then gets into the car, leisurely fastens her seat belt, and slowly drives away, leaving the man to walk into the restaurant and finally clearing the traffic aisle. Goddamn MFFYs... >And there's only so much you can do >when you have your company's logo on the doors... That doesn't stop some morons. ;) > >And there's only so much you can do > >when you have your company's logo on the doors... > > That doesn't stop some morons. ;) Like the sloth limo driver who's boss wasn't happy to hear from a 3rd party about incited road rage (that almost hit me swerving around said limo.) People shouldn't MFFY with their boss' number on their car. Dave >I was at a hardware store today when some f.cking moron parked his car >blocking the exit for *20* minutes. Four people tried telling him to >move it, but he refused until he was done shopping... The only good >thing about it was that I was working, so at least I was paid for >waiting, but I was still pissed. And there's only so much you can do >when you have your company's logo on the doors... Now this is a perfect example of where taking the law into your own hands is perfectly appropriate. The a.shole should have found his car on its side when he came out. Or someone should have mugged him for his keys. >>I was at a hardware store today when some f.cking moron parked his car >>blocking the exit for *20* minutes. Four people tried telling him to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > its side when he came out. Or someone should have mugged him for his > keys. Too bad you weren't there... Ulf > >I was at a hardware store today when some f.cking moron parked his car > >blocking the exit for *20* minutes. Four people tried telling him to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > its side when he came out. Or someone should have mugged him for his > keys. No need to get that drastic, just get 8-10 strong guys to pick it up and set it on the sidewalk. Preferably in such a manner that it can't be driven without being picked up and moved again. Then call the cops to come get it. nate > No need to get that drastic, just get 8-10 strong guys to pick it up > and set it on the sidewalk. Preferably in such a manner that it can't > be driven without being picked up and moved again. Then call the cops > to come get it. > > nate Several years ago, I had a parking spot assigned at work with my name clearly marked in a HUGE sign that nobody could miss, and also marked violators will be towed. I came back from my lunch break to find a minivan parked in my spot, with the center of the front bumper of the minivan about 6" from the post that held the sign with my name on it. On one side of my spot was grass, the other side was another parking spot. I carefully backed up behind my parking spot so that the rear passenger side of my vehicle was about a centimeter off the a.shole's rear bumper. That is, the entire rear of the minivan was blocked by the passenger side of my vehicle, and the front of my vehicle was partially in the grassy area. The only vehicle I blocked in was the vehicle that was parked in my spot. I figured eventually I'd get a phone call, as someone would want to move their vehicle. A few hours later when I left work, the minivan was GONE. The sign with my name on it was still firmly cemented into the ground. My car had not been moved, and was undamaged. I wish I'd have left a video camera running, as it was a fricking miracle that the minivan was able to get out of there without damaging SOMETHING. The only thing I can think of is that it must have moved sideways somehow, into the grassy area, to get out of there. He did NOT have room to maneuver forward and backward. -Dave > > No need to get that drastic, just get 8-10 strong guys to pick it up > > and set it on the sidewalk. Preferably in such a manner that it can't [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > is that it must have moved sideways somehow, into the grassy area, to get > out of there. He did NOT have room to maneuver forward and backward. -Dave Was this a company car? (I assume that it may have been, since you apparently had an assigned parking space.) If so someone else in your office probably had keys to it, they may have moved it back exactly where you left it just to make you scratch your head. I know I would have (after giving minivan driver a good tongue lashing and making him think that I wasn't actually going to move your car, just because I didn't feel like it) just because I'm contrary like that :) nate > Was this a company car? (I assume that it may have been, since you > apparently had an assigned parking space.) If so someone else in your [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > nate Nope, I was the only person within 50 miles that had the keys to it. Like I said before, I wish I had a video camera running. That was some magic trick. -Dave >Several years ago, I had a parking spot assigned at work with my name >clearly marked in a HUGE sign that nobody could miss, and also marked [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >up behind my parking spot so that the rear passenger side of my vehicle was >about a centimeter off the a.shole's rear bumper. Why didn't you just have the a.shole towed? > > While driving my pickup truck to the hardware store yesterday, I got > > temporarily stuck behind a Sloth Coaster driving an SUV. The posted [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > waiting, but I was still pissed. And there's only so much you can do > when you have your company's logo on the doors... Since it was a hardware store why didn't someone go inside, buy some paint stripper and pour it over the moron's car ? Graham |
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