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Part of bush's war against terrorism even though terrorism is a microscopic problem. Hell - your chances of being killed by a highway speeder are a thousand times greater than by a terrorist. http://start.earthlink.net/article/nat?guid=20050718/42db2940_3ca6_1552620050718 -435270810 Governors: Driver's License Costs to Soar July 18, 2005 5:21 PM EDT DES MOINES, Iowa - Fees for a new driver's license could triple. Lines at motor vehicles offices could stretch out the door. Governors warned Monday that states and consumers would bear much of the burden for a terrorism-driven push to turn licenses into a national ID card. "It's a huge problem," said Democrat Ed Rendell of Pennsylvania. "Trying to make this work, there will be hell to pay." He said it would cost his state "$100 million-plus" to restructure motor vehicle offices to respond to a new federal law called the REAL ID Act. The law that passed in June as part of an $82 billion military spending bill goes beyond an earlier measure that sought to standardize state driver's licenses. By 2008, states must begin to verify whether license applicants are American citizens or legal residents of the United States. That deadline brought the first question in a closed-door session between governors and federal officials on homeland security Monday at the National Governors Association meeting. (snip) Somebody said: > Part of bush's war against terrorism even though terrorism is a > microscopic problem. Hell - your chances of being killed by a highway [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > DES MOINES, Iowa - Fees for a new driver's license could triple. Lines > at motor vehicles offices could stretch out the door. Too late, that's standard around here.  SignatureCheers, Bev ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The way England treats her prisoners, she doesn't deserve to have any." --Oscar Wilde REAL ID will - quietly - be ended almost as soon as it takes effect. Why? Congresscritters will - fast - find that even their own wives can't come up with the needed documentation (how many married women have their own names on utility bills as proof of address other than on their licenses?) to renew their licenses. Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW > REAL ID will - quietly - be ended almost as soon as it takes effect. > Why? Congresscritters will - fast - find that even their own wives > can't come up with the needed documentation (how many married women > have their own names on utility bills as proof of address other than on > their licenses?) to renew their licenses. No big deal for them, they probably think their wives are lousy drivers anyway. I have some credit cards in my name, do you suppose the statements would do? SignatureCheers, Bev ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The way England treats her prisoners, she doesn't deserve to have any." --Oscar Wilde > REAL ID will - quietly - be ended almost as soon as it takes effect. > Why? Congresscritters will - fast - find that even their own wives > can't come up with the needed documentation (how many married women > have their own names on utility bills as proof of address other than on > their licenses?) to renew their licenses. They would have or could get their birth certificate and their marriage licence. Signature"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk? Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a bitch got over the wall." -+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons" > Part of bush's war against terrorism even though terrorism is a > microscopic problem. Hell - your chances of being killed by a highway > speeder are a thousand times greater than by a terrorist. You left out fat drunkard senators from New England. > Part of bush's war against terrorism even though terrorism is a > microscopic problem. Hell - your chances of being killed by a highway > speeder are a thousand times greater than by a terrorist. 1 nuclear bomb will take care of that ratio, moron. > > Part of bush's war against terrorism even though terrorism is a > > microscopic problem. Hell - your chances of being killed by a highway > > speeder are a thousand times greater than by a terrorist. > > 1 nuclear bomb will take care of that ratio, moron. This is the point that is largely ignored by the folks who claim that terrorism isn't a problem because it hasn't been such a big problem in the past. Signature"What do you value in your bulldogs? Gripping, is it not? It's their nature? It's why you breed them? It's so with men. I will not give in because I oppose it. Not my pride, not my spleen, nor any other of my appetites, but *I* do. Is there in the midst of all this muscle no single sinew that serves no appetite of Norfolk's but is just Norfolk? Give that some exercise. Because, as you stand, you'll go before your Maker ill-conditioned. He'll think that somewhere along your pedigree, a bitch got over the wall." -+Paul Scofield, "A Man For All Seasons" > "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > between governors and federal officials on homeland security Monday at > the National Governors Association meeting. What does Bush have to do with it? He wasn't the motive force behind this legislation. Most of the public support for this has nothing to do with terrorism, and everything to do with wanting fewer Mexicans flooding into the country. SignatureCiao, Paul D. DeRocco Paul mailto:pderocco@ix.netcom.com Paul wrote: >What does Bush have to do with it? He wasn't the motive force behind this >legislation. Most of the public support for this has nothing to do with >terrorism, and everything to do with wanting fewer Mexicans flooding into >the country. Bull. It was Gauleiter Sensenbrenner's pet project. Browse this gun show for FREE! Shop the http://stores.ebay.com/INTERNET-GUN-SHOW Missouri now requires a birth certificate to get a driver's license renewed. When I was 16, I had to produce my birth certificate, but no record was kept, so we all have to do it again (they say they'll keep the info this time). So, I have to prove I'm not an illegal alien/terrorist, despite being an english speaking white male who's lived here his entire life. If you happen to be an illegal Mexican in this country, you don't get deported unless you commit a crime, even if you admit to being here illegally. I had a local INS agent tell me that just the other day. Making a bunch of folks dig up their birth certificates (and in the case of women, marraige certs and divorce decrees if their names changed) to get a license renewed will solve nothing. If an illegal tries, they won't be arrested in line at the DMV unless they shoot up the place first or double park outside. Bullshit. -beaumon > Missouri now requires a birth certificate to get a driver's license > renewed. When I was 16, I had to produce my birth certificate, but no > record was kept, so we all have to do it again (they say they'll keep > the info this time). Has anyone tightened up the process for getting a birth certificate? I got one about 9 years ago to get a passport. I just went to city hall in the city where I was born. They asked me my name and date of birth, looked me up in a book and issued me a birth certificate. A couple of years before that I got a birth certificate for my sister. John Mara > Has anyone tightened up the process for getting a birth certificate? I got > one about 9 years ago to get a passport. I just went to city hall in the > city where I was born. They asked me my name and date of birth, looked me > up in a book and issued me a birth certificate. A couple of years before > that I got a birth certificate for my sister. You need a birth certificate to get a passport now, and you need one of those two to get a drivers license. If you needed ID to get a birth certificate, then anyone who doesn't already have one would be stuck in a Catch-22. But watch, some stupid state will require it anyway. >> Has anyone tightened up the process for getting a birth certificate? I >> got [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > certificate, then anyone who doesn't already have one would be stuck in > a Catch-22. But watch, some stupid state will require it anyway. I had to get a replacement birth certificate a few years ago. As I recall, it cost less than $10, required me to provide my name, date and place of birth, and I completed the transaction by (snail) mail. -Dave OTOH, some states have really gone too far in the opposite direction. Some have taken automation too far and in my opinion reduced the value of the drivers license as a meaningful form of identification. In my state a drivers license renewal can be accomplished online simply by entering the password the DMV sent in the mail with the renewal notice. Anyone could be entering that password. |
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