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Dood who stole $52 of gas now charged with manslaughter
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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Aug 2005 16:52 GMT I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would jump on the car and then fall off and be killed? BTW - Driver has a rap sheet about as bad as President Bush's.
http://www.times-journal.com/report.lasso?WCD=4482
Hit-and-run suspect arrested for slaying
By Mark Harrison The Times-Journal
Published August 26, 2005
An Ider man, claiming his conscience had been bothering him, turned himself in to Fort Payne police Thursday morning as the driver of the vehicle involved in the Aug. 19 hit-and-run death of a Fort Payne gas station owner
Police arrested Alvin Dwight Benefield, 42, and charged him with manslaughter in connection with the death of Husain Tony Caddi, who owned and operated the Texaco station on the north side of Fort Payne.
Benefield is also charged with third-degree theft of property for allegedly leaving Caddis service station without paying for $52 in gas.
Caddi, the only person on duty at the Texaco at the time, ran out of the station and tried to stop Benefield from leaving.
Eyewitnesses told police Caddi grabbed onto Benefields vehicle a light brown, 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee but slipped and fell, at which time the Cherokee allegedly ran over Caddi, causing a severe head injury.
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Benefield told police he had stolen the $52 in gas simply because he didnt have the money to pay for it at the time, Grant said.
Benefield also told police he knew Caddi had fallen while trying to stop the Jeep, but said he didnt realize the extent of Caddis injuries, Grant said.
Benefield claimed, despite intensive news coverage, he did not realize Caddi had died until Tuesday, when he read an article about the incident in the Times-Journal, Grant said.
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Records on file at the DeKalb County Sheriffs Department show Benefield had a prior criminal record, and past charges include DUI, parole violation and speeding.
Bo Raxo - 26 Aug 2005 19:11 GMT > I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state > claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would > jump on the car and then fall off and be killed? BTW - Driver has a > rap sheet about as bad as President Bush's. > > http://www.times-journal.com/report.lasso?WCD=4482 Sounds like the guy admitted seeing the victim run towards his vehicle trying to stop him. If someone is running towards your vehicle, and you know they are going to try to grab open a door, it's reasonable to foresee that speeding forward once the person is next to the vehicle could result in serious injury.
And it's more of your nuttiness to compare this guy's crimes to our President's. Alvin Benefield has, as far as we know, only killed one person.
Bo Raxo
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Aug 2005 20:09 GMT >> I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state >> claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >President's. Alvin Benefield has, as far as we know, only killed one >person. I referred to bush's rap sheet. So far he has not been actually convicted of any of his obvious war crimes.
Billy - 26 Aug 2005 19:36 GMT He did not have to foresee anything, for one, manslaughter by definition means without intent, and two, he could have been charged with 2nd degree murder because he had intentions of stealing and that intent is carried onto everything that can be related to the commission of his crime.
> I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state > claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Benefield had a prior criminal record, and past charges include DUI, > parole violation and speeding. Betsy - 27 Aug 2005 00:50 GMT | He did not have to foresee anything, for one, manslaughter by definition | means without intent, and two, he could have been charged with 2nd degree | murder because he had intentions of stealing and that intent is carried onto | everything that can be related to the commission of his crime. | | "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in message | news:aaeug15f1cdj62vqv2c7jhlmo3aaenl4f2@4ax.com... | > | > I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state | > claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would | > jump on the car and then fall off and be killed? BTW - Driver has a | > rap sheet about as bad as President Bush's.
Anytime someone dies during the course of a felony, the death becomes a felony death. Does not matter if it was an accident, or who caused the death. If it came to pass as a result of the felonious act, then it counts as felony murder. This guy is getting off easy.
Betsy
| > | > http://www.times-journal.com/report.lasso?WCD=4482 | > | > Hit-and-run suspect arrested for slaying | > | > By Mark Harrison | > The Times-Journal | > | > Published August 26, 2005 | > | > An Ider man, claiming his conscience had been bothering him, turned | > himself in to Fort Payne police Thursday morning as the driver of the | > vehicle involved in the Aug. 19 hit-and-run death of a Fort Payne gas | > station owner | > | > Police arrested Alvin Dwight Benefield, 42, and charged him with | > manslaughter in connection with the death of Husain "Tony" Caddi, who | > owned and operated the Texaco station on the north side of Fort Payne. | > | > Benefield is also charged with third-degree theft of property for | > allegedly leaving Caddi's service station without paying for $52 in | > gas. | > | > Caddi, the only person on duty at the Texaco at the time, ran out of | > the station and tried to stop Benefield from leaving. | > | > Eyewitnesses told police Caddi grabbed onto Benefield's vehicle - a | > light brown, 2000 Jeep Grand Cherokee - but slipped and fell, at which | > time the Cherokee allegedly ran over Caddi, causing a severe head | > injury. | > | > (snip) | > | > Benefield told police he had stolen the $52 in gas simply because he | > didn't have the money to pay for it at the time, Grant said. | > | > Benefield also told police he knew Caddi had fallen while trying to | > stop the Jeep, but said he didn't realize the extent of Caddi's | > injuries, Grant said. | > | > Benefield claimed, despite intensive news coverage, he did not realize | > Caddi had died until Tuesday, when he read an article about the | > incident in the Times-Journal, Grant said. | > | > (snip) | > | > Records on file at the DeKalb County Sheriff's Department show | > Benefield had a prior criminal record, and past charges include DUI, | > parole violation and speeding. | > | > | > | |
k_flynn@lycos.com - 27 Aug 2005 01:07 GMT > Anytime someone dies during the course of a felony, the death becomes > a felony death. Does not matter if it was an accident, or who caused the > death. If it came to pass as a result of the felonious act, then it > counts as felony murder. This guy is getting off easy. > > Betsy I don't think the theft of $52 in gasoline is a felony. He is, however, getting off easy. His intent was to steal and he killed a man in doing so.
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim - 27 Aug 2005 01:18 GMT charge bush with the crime, if bush had kept gas prices at a reasonable level, the crime would not have happened in the first place
Billy - 27 Aug 2005 13:50 GMT You didn't keep the price low either, maybe we should charge you with murder, Naw why waste the money, you have a clear cut insanity defense.
> charge bush with the crime, if bush had kept gas prices at a reasonable > level, the crime would not have > happened in the first place Ryd - 28 Aug 2005 00:12 GMT > charge bush with the crime, if bush had kept gas prices at >a reasonable level, the crime would not have > happened in the first place Bush should at least get charged as as co-conspirator.
And that just might be the incident that finally would get him impeached.
Ryd
Police and Thieves In The Street - 28 Aug 2005 02:51 GMT >> charge bush with the crime, if bush had kept gas prices at >>a reasonable level, the crime would not have [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ryd Right, and Father Christmas will pay you a visit REAL soon.
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Matthew Russotto - 27 Aug 2005 03:37 GMT >He did not have to foresee anything, for one, manslaughter by definition >means without intent, and two, he could have been charged with 2nd degree >murder because he had intentions of stealing and that intent is carried onto >everything that can be related to the commission of his crime. Misdemeanor theft probably doesn't trigger that; only certain felonies.
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Billy - 27 Aug 2005 13:52 GMT >>He did not have to foresee anything, for one, manslaughter by definition >>means without intent, and two, he could have been charged with 2nd degree [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Misdemeanor theft probably doesn't trigger that; only certain felonies. UGG like hit and run?
Matthew Russotto - 28 Aug 2005 00:22 GMT >>>He did not have to foresee anything, for one, manslaughter by definition >>>means without intent, and two, he could have been charged with 2nd degree [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >UGG like hit and run? In PA, the felonies which trigger the felony murder rule are listed in the statute; hit and run isn't among them I don't think. Furthermore, since the felony of hit and run (leaving the scene of a personal injury accident or some such thing) happens after the collision, it would be a bit strange to transfer the intent backward in time. Though that wouldn't necessarily stop the courts if they really wanted to get someone.
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Bo Raxo - 27 Aug 2005 17:58 GMT > >He did not have to foresee anything, for one, manslaughter by definition > >means without intent, and two, he could have been charged with 2nd degree > >murder because he had intentions of stealing and that intent is carried onto > >everything that can be related to the commission of his crime. > > Misdemeanor theft probably doesn't trigger that; only certain felonies. If you use force to escape, it becomes a felony. There's a fellow serving 25 to life in California on a three strikes sentence. One of his felonies was a shoplifting where a security guard tried to stop him, and he shoved the guy out of the way. Another of the three was a shoplifting where he jumped in to an accomplice's car to get away, and the accomplice drove over someone's foot.
host - 27 Aug 2005 03:38 GMT > I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state > claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Benefield had a prior criminal record, and past charges include DUI, > parole violation and speeding. See what having a piece of sh.t, corporate-dick sucking president causes? It is Bush's fault this happened. I myself wonder when I am going to have to start stealing gas too. f.cking Bush. Wht won't he and his cronies just DIE?
Billy - 27 Aug 2005 13:54 GMT >> I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state >> claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > start stealing gas too. > f.cking Bush. Wht won't he and his cronies just DIE? Ass-wipes like you don't need reasons to steal, you are of the lower class that think it is not stealing if you don't get caught, you have no morals or backbone, only hate.
proffsl - 27 Aug 2005 15:02 GMT > > See what having a piece of sh.t, corporate-dick sucking president > > causes? It is Bush's fault this happened. I myself wonder when I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > class that think it is not stealing if you don't get caught, you have no > morals or backbone, only hate. This coming from an amoral Ass-Wipe such as yourself, who without Laws against Theft would adopt the policy of "finders keepers".
proffsl - 27 Aug 2005 15:13 GMT http://groups.google.com/group/rec.autos.driving/msg/c3fd8a3b72f95c2b?hl=en&
Billy - 28 Aug 2005 01:33 GMT >> > See what having a piece of sh.t, corporate-dick sucking president >> > causes? It is Bush's fault this happened. I myself wonder when I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > This coming from an amoral Ass-Wipe such as yourself, who without Laws > against Theft would adopt the policy of "finders keepers". What policy would you adopt, "go to my room and cry"
proffsl - 28 Aug 2005 03:56 GMT Shooters Finders
Billy - 28 Aug 2005 05:03 GMT > Shooters Finders What a high amoral ground you take.
proffsl - 28 Aug 2005 05:46 GMT I will not bandy words with an Amoral Ass-Wipe such as yourself.
Billy - 28 Aug 2005 23:30 GMT >I will not bandy words with an Amoral Ass-Wipe such as yourself. ME? You are the one that is going to shoot someone for having something that is legally their! You are the amoral one.
proffsl - 29 Aug 2005 13:50 GMT I will not bandy words with an Amoral Ass-Wipe such as yourself.
Bo Raxo - 29 Aug 2005 16:26 GMT > I will not bandy words with an Amoral Ass-Wipe such as yourself. Except that you just did.
Sheesh.
proffsl - 29 Aug 2005 17:59 GMT No, I did not. If I had, I would have entered into debate with the Amoral Ass-Wipe. I did not.
Bo Raxo - 29 Aug 2005 18:43 GMT > No, I did not. If I had, I would have entered into debate with the > Amoral Ass-Wipe. I did not. Someone posted about what you said, and you replied. Looked like "trading words" (your phrase) to me.
Pretty funny when you do something even as you're declaring you won't. Even funnier when you deny it with some lame-a.s rationale.
proffsl - 29 Aug 2005 19:49 GMT > Proffsl wrote: > > > Proffsl wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Someone posted about what you said, and you replied. Looked like > "trading words" (your phrase) to me. If you are going to quote someone, do so accurately. I said "bandy words". I did not say "trading words" as you would imply.
Apparently, you misunderstand my meaning of "bandy words". I will not bother to explain.
> Pretty funny when you do something even as you're declaring you won't. > Even funnier when you deny it with some lame-a.s rationale. Given your tendancy to interject yourself into this thread, I am begining to suspect you might be Billy under another name. In either case, I judge you to be of the same cloth. You may f.ck Off now. You're Welcome.
Bo Raxo - 29 Aug 2005 20:07 GMT > > Proffsl wrote: > > > > Proffsl wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > If you are going to quote someone, do so accurately. I said "bandy > words". I did not say "trading words" as you would imply. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bandy "To give and receive (words, for example); exchange"
Sounds like "trading words" is pretty accurate. So while I may have technically misquoted, the meaning is the same. You said you wouldn't exchange words with the guy, just as you were doing exactly that.
Makes you look like an idiot to declare you won't do something *while* *you're* *doing* *it*.
> Apparently, you misunderstand my meaning of "bandy words". I will not > bother to explain. Apparently you're hell-bent on looking like an even bigger idiot. No, I don't understand "your meaning", I understand English.
> > Pretty funny when you do something even as you're declaring you won't. > > Even funnier when you deny it with some lame-a.s rationale. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > case, I judge you to be of the same cloth. You may f.ck Off now. > You're Welcome. And now you manage to make yourself look like a moron too stupid to google. groups.google.com and search on author:Bo author:Raxo and peruse some of my more than 1,000 posts. Might help you to learn the English language, which apparently shares some words but not the same meanings with whatever you speak.
Bo Raxo
proffsl - 29 Aug 2005 20:57 GMT Your modus operandi is identical to Billy. You have been instructed to f.ck Off. You are dismissed.
Bo Raxo - 29 Aug 2005 21:02 GMT > Your modus operandi is identical to Billy. You have been instructed to > f.ck Off. You are dismissed. Translation: You're an idiot, and throw a tantrum when somebody points it out.
proffsl - 29 Aug 2005 21:32 GMT You are an Ass-Wipe, just like Billy.
Bo Raxo - 29 Aug 2005 21:46 GMT > You are an Ass-Wipe, just like Billy. Boy, you're really obsessed with the whole ass-wiping issue. Maybe you should just buy some diaper wipes and pay some dude to do whatever it is you're obsessing about.
proffsl - 29 Aug 2005 21:51 GMT You are a pathetic Ass-Wipe, just like Billy.
host - 29 Aug 2005 23:37 GMT > >> I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state > >> claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > that think it is not stealing if you don't get caught, you have no morals or > backbone, only hate. Hahahahah!!! You make me laugh, "Ass-wipes" like me are HONEST, hard-working American Veterans. I come from a long line of vets who have served in WWI and II. So you know what muther f.cker? My opinion actually MEANS something in this country, not like you, who sits back and defends the Chicken-Hawk, spineless, faggot liar named Bush, and his Chicken-Hawk regime. I mean, DAMN, don't you see the irony of this chicken-hawk faggot going on about how it is such a great thing going to war with Iraq, killing thousands of innocent women and children, and he just acts like he is such a warrior, hahah BIG BAD W, he SAVED them POOR IRAQI'S from tyranny! LOL, if I had the chance, I wish I could get his a.s in a boxing ring, just me and the chicken-hawk. And you know what else muther f.cker? If I did steal at least I would admit it, not LIE about it like W. did, the biggest liar in the world right about now (well maybe his he-bitch Blair is a bigger liar). You ever see that movie Rosemary's Baby? Well now I think I know who the baby is, good ole George Dubbaya, whose wife actually got away with murder. And I thought the royal family was a bunch of inbred Neanderthals...what a circus. You see, if W. had any spine at all, he should of just said it like it was like this, "Well y'know, hyuk hyuk, me and my administration are gonna take out Saddam because we don't like him, then we're going to take over the oil in that country and make it ours. Hyuk Hyuk!!! And I know most of the hijackers came from SAUDI ARABIA, but we'll just go blow some sh.t up in Afghanistan, because if I quit sucking my SAUDI BOYFRIEND'S DICK, the saudi's might not like me anymore!! Hyuk Hyuk, and then we are going to suck some mean corporate dick!!!" See? Wouldn't that be easier? Then we could actually kind of respect the guy because he tried to be honest at least. But no, he lied to cover a lie which covered another lie, HAHAHAHA, his whole life is a f.cking LIE!!! The W admin should just do us all a favor and commit suicide. "No morals or backbone, only hate?" I think what you meant to say is, "I HATE the ass-wipe with no MORALS or BACKBONE who sits in the White House."
WAKE UP CALL!!!!! U R WRONG!!!!
Host.
proffsl - 30 Aug 2005 02:21 GMT Host wrote:
> > Ass-wipes like you don't need reasons to steal, you are of the lower > > class that think it is not stealing if you don't get caught, you have no > > morals or backbone, only hate. > > Hahahahah!!! You make me laugh, Let me assure you, Billy is the Ass-Wipe.
> "Ass-wipes" like me are HONEST, hard-working American Veterans. > I come from a long line of vets who have served in WWI and II. So you > know what muther f.cker? My opinion actually MEANS something > in this country, I hope you aren't implying that unless one served in the military, their opinion means nothing? If so, I would have to disagree. Although, I would agree that Billy's opinion is worthless. Billy is an Amoral ass-wipe.
> not like you, who sits back and defends the Chicken-Hawk, > spineless, faggot liar named Bush, and his Chicken-Hawk regime. I agree with your opinion of Bush 100%. Bush is a Lying scum bag, and should be tried for treason, then hanged by his neck from a hemp rope from a tree on the White House lawn, and his bones left to bleach in the sun as an example to following Presidents.
> I mean, DAMN, don't you see the irony of this chicken-hawk faggot > going on about how it is such a great thing going to war with Iraq, > killing thousands of innocent women and children, and he just acts > like he is such a warrior, hahah BIG BAD W, he SAVED them POOR > IRAQI'S from tyranny! LOL, if I had the chance, I wish I could get his > a.s in a boxing ring, just me and the chicken-hawk. I'd be there cheering you on. Then, we'll have that trial I spoke of above.
> And you know what else muther f.cker? If I did steal at least > I would admit it, not LIE about it like W. did, the biggest liar in the > world right about now (well maybe his he-bitch Blair is a bigger liar). I'd hate to have to think I'd have to resort to theft to survive. But, if society has sunk to such a condition that otherwise honest hard working people did have to resort to theft to survive, it could be arguied that society has broken their promise, and that individuals can no longer be held to any promise not to steal from that society. That is, after all, the purpose of society, to help insure mutual survival.
I have always said, my ONLY responsibility to society is to honor and respect the Rights of others as I would expect them to honor and respect my own Rights. When society doesn't hold up their end of this promise, all bets are off.
> You ever see that movie Rosemary's Baby? Well now I think I know who the > baby is, good ole George Dubbaya, whose wife actually got away with murder. I'm not familiar with this. Can you elaborate?
Otherwise, Mr. Host, I must say I agree with you completely concerning that Lying sack of sh.t named Bush. This nation may never recover from the abominations perpetrated in his name. Unless the citizens of this nation WAKE UP and hang this mother f.cking abomination from hell for the murderous traitor he is, the rest of the world will never trust us ever again. And, frankly, I don't think I could blame them.
DTJ - 27 Aug 2005 17:33 GMT >See what having a piece of sh.t, corporate-dick sucking president causes? It >is Bush's fault this happened. I myself wonder when I am going to have to >start stealing gas too. >f.cking Bush. Wht won't he and his cronies just DIE? Our country would be better off if you and all the other dimocrats died.
proffsl - 27 Aug 2005 20:02 GMT > > f.cking Bush. Wht won't he and his cronies just DIE? > > Our country would be better off if you and all the other > dimocrats died. Our country would be better off if you and Bush was never born.
Uncle Buck - 27 Aug 2005 21:36 GMT >> > f.cking Bush. Wht won't he and his cronies just DIE? >> >> Our country would be better off if you and all the other >> dimocrats died. > >Our country would be better off if you and Bush was never born. Our country would be better off....
...if people just had SEX more often. Even solo.
Just my $0.02. -- L8r, Uncle Buck _o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O= http://surrenderingtothefall.blogspot.com ~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o
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host - 29 Aug 2005 23:04 GMT > > > f.cking Bush. Wht won't he and his cronies just DIE? > > > > Our country would be better off if you and all the other > > dimocrats died. > > Our country would be better off if you and Bush was never born. Hahahahah! Who said I am a Demi? What a maroon...
The one and only... Host.
Police and Thieves In The Street - 28 Aug 2005 02:50 GMT >>See what having a piece of sh.t, corporate-dick sucking president causes? >>It is Bush's fault this happened. I myself wonder when I am going to have [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Our country would be better off if you and all the other dimocrats > died. Be careful what you wish for, mate. What comes after the "dimocrats" might not be to yr liking. It's something old lardass Rushie hasn't instructed you on how to deal with.
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Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') - 29 Aug 2005 01:31 GMT > I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state > claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would > jump on the car and then fall off and be killed? BTW - Driver has a > rap sheet about as bad as President Bush's. Hit and run means you left the scene of the car smash, like Ted Kennedy did.
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Uncle Buck - 29 Aug 2005 02:07 GMT >> I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. Is the state >> claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Hit and run means you left the scene of the car smash, like Ted Kennedy >did. That wouldn't be a "hit and run", to "hit and run" you actually have to hit something with your vehicle, like another vehicle or a person. A lake bed doesn't count. -- L8r, Uncle Buck _o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O=~_o-O= http://surrenderingtothefall.blogspot.com ~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o_~=O-o
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David W. Poole, Jr. - 29 Aug 2005 08:26 GMT >That wouldn't be a "hit and run", to "hit and run" you actually have >to hit something with your vehicle, like another vehicle or a person. >A lake bed doesn't count. The rail on a bridge doesn't? Oh yes, doesn't count if you ran over it.
Larry Bud - 29 Aug 2005 17:51 GMT > I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. You f.cking criminal coddler!
Here's a guy that REALLY killed someone, instead of your lunatic fantasy "all speeders are killers" rhetoric, and you think the charge is too severe.
Alex Rodriguez - 29 Aug 2005 19:34 GMT >I can see hit-and-run but manslaughter is a stretch here. YOURACRIMINALCODDLER.
>Is the state >claiming that the driver should have foreseen the station owner would >jump on the car and then fall off and be killed? Yes. When you steal, having the proprieter try to stop you is very forseeable. If you had more than half a brain and used more than 1% of what you do have, you would realize that.
>BTW - Driver has a >rap sheet about as bad as President Bush's. If it is as bad as Bush's, I'm surprised he is not still in jail. ----------------- Alex
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