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How about tax breaks for people who don't drive?

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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 26 Sep 2005 20:56 GMT
If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
anyway.
Nog - 26 Sep 2005 21:14 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.
You don't pay tax. No toll tax, no gas tax, no excise tax, no registration
tax, no insurance tax, no tire tax, no oil tax and no license tax.
Ted B. - 26 Sep 2005 21:20 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

Don't need to change the tax rules one bit to make that happen.  99.99% of
people over 21 without a driver's license are unemployed anyway.  The other
.01% walk to work.  -Dave
john fernbach - 26 Sep 2005 22:26 GMT
Additional tax breaks for people who don't drive are a good idea.

If we want our society to adapt to being a less oil-dependent, less
Middle-East dependent, environmentally friendlier place, with lower
consumption of fossil fuels, it makes sense to give people incentives
for changing in that direction.

Even intelligent libertarians should support tax incentives for more
environmentally responsible, more energy-conserving behavior.  It would
certainly safeguard civil liberties more than straight government
regulation would.
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') - 26 Sep 2005 22:43 GMT
> Additional tax breaks for people who don't drive are a good idea.

Great, tax breaks for people to not be able to get themselves out of the
way of a hurricane without government help.

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So they are even more frightened than we are, he thought. Why, is this
all that's meant by heroism? And did I do it for the sake of my country?
And was he to blame with his dimple and his blue eyes? How frightened he
was! He thought I was going to kill him. Why should I kill him? My hand
trembled. And they have given me the St. George's Cross. I can't make it
out, I can't make it out! +-Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"

john fernbach - 27 Sep 2005 21:43 GMT
Tax breaks for people whose energy consumption habits aren't likely to
make the next hurricanes even more destructive.

Bill, I think your quote from "Finnegan's Wake," though.  Have you read
the thing?
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Sep 2005 04:06 GMT
>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>people over 21 without a driver's license are unemployed anyway.  The other
>.01% walk to work.  -Dave

You don't understand.  This would encourage people who drive now to
give up their DL.
Ted B. - 27 Sep 2005 14:12 GMT
>>Don't need to change the tax rules one bit to make that happen.  99.99% of
>>people over 21 without a driver's license are unemployed anyway.  The
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You don't understand.  This would encourage people who drive now to
> give up their DL.

And their job.  I get it just fine.  -Dave
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders - 29 Sep 2005 04:50 GMT
> >>Don't need to change the tax rules one bit to make that happen.  99.99% of
> >>people over 21 without a driver's license are unemployed anyway.  The
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> And their job.  I get it just fine.  -Dave

Just tax gasoline. Offset the extra tax with cuts in
regular taxes. Fire your accountant and buy a fuel
efficient car or use mass transit. Everyone can do that
but not everyone can give up their DL.
mimenosmal@yahoo.com - 29 Sep 2005 05:00 GMT
so your following me

and its not because you like me
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders - 29 Sep 2005 07:12 GMT
> so your following me
>
> and its not because you like me

hmm . . . wierd, man. Is that poetry?
cLIeNUX user - 26 Sep 2005 22:24 GMT
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>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
>those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
>anyway.

You mean people with drivers? Tax breaks for John Kerry?

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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Sep 2005 04:07 GMT
>humbubba@smart.net
>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>You mean people with drivers? Tax breaks for John Kerry?

That's a good point.  Maybe it should be no income tax on your first
$100,000 of taxable income.
hal@nospam.com - 26 Sep 2005 22:50 GMT
>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.

Where the hell is all the money for the right wing in that?

Hal

>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
>those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
>anyway.
~^Johnny^~ - 27 Sep 2005 07:56 GMT
>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>
>Where the hell is all the money for the right wing in that?

In Mexico.   :-)

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Frank Dwyer - 26 Sep 2005 23:09 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

You're idea would completely eliminate taxes for anyone who could afford
a chauffeur. Congratulations.
Billy - 27 Sep 2005 00:55 GMT
>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> You're idea would completely eliminate taxes for anyone who could afford a
> chauffeur. Congratulations.

Wouldn't even have to afford a chauffeur, it would be just one more errand
for the soccer mom in the morning and evening.  She does not "work" so she
does not pay taxes anyway. He gets the tax break, the only difference is his
drive is now twice as far since she has two way travel, twice a day.
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Sep 2005 04:09 GMT
>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>You're idea would completely eliminate taxes for anyone who could afford
>a chauffeur. Congratulations.

Someone else raised that point so perhaps we should apply the no
income tax rule to just your first $100,000.
Furious George - 27 Sep 2005 02:16 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

I prefer raising the gas tax so that it covers military expenditures.
Then other taxes could be reduced or eliminated.  It would have a
similar effect.

Your point on prison time for unlicensed drivers is excellent.
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') - 27 Sep 2005 02:43 GMT
> > If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> > Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> > those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> > anyway.
>
> I prefer raising the gas tax so that it covers military expenditures.

What's the connection? We didn't get attacked on 9/11 because we drive
cars.
Furious George - 27 Sep 2005 03:09 GMT
> > > If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> > > Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What's the connection? We didn't get attacked on 9/11 because we drive
> cars.

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?  Nothing.
JohnH - 27 Sep 2005 03:17 GMT
>>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for
>>> you. Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What's the connection? We didn't get attacked on 9/11 because we drive
> cars.

Think about it.
Bill Bonde ('by a commodius vicus of recirculation') - 27 Sep 2005 17:16 GMT
> >>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for
> >>> you. Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Think about it.

That's why I asked. There is no connection.

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So they are even more frightened than we are, he thought. Why, is this
all that's meant by heroism? And did I do it for the sake of my country?
And was he to blame with his dimple and his blue eyes? How frightened he
was! He thought I was going to kill him. Why should I kill him? My hand
trembled. And they have given me the St. George's Cross. I can't make it
out, I can't make it out! +-Leo Tolstoy, "War and Peace"

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Sep 2005 04:11 GMT
>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
>> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
>> anyway.
>
>I prefer raising the gas tax so that it covers military expenditures.

You mean fund all wars with nothing but gas taxes? But but ... we
wouldn't have any wars then.
Furious George - 27 Sep 2005 06:12 GMT
> >> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> >> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> You mean fund all wars with nothing but gas taxes? But but ... we
> wouldn't have any wars then.

Another excellent reason to adopt my suggestion.
william lynch - 27 Sep 2005 06:25 GMT
>>>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>>>>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Another excellent reason to adopt my suggestion.

The problem right now is that the wars are funded 100% by
borrowing from foreign banks.  That's the only thing that
the conservatives know how to do well is borrow money.
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 27 Sep 2005 19:55 GMT
> >>>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> >>>>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> borrowing from foreign banks.  That's the only thing that
> the conservatives know how to do well is borrow money.

That's why we have wars.  The international bankers and the arms
companies and now the oil companies too own the politicians and they
make them start wars to make money for the bankers and corporations.
Wars are all about profiteering and it's been like that for centuries.
Billy - 27 Sep 2005 20:08 GMT
>> >>>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>> >>>>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> make them start wars to make money for the bankers and corporations.
> Wars are all about profiteering and it's been like that for centuries.

Sure it is, the revolutionary war was all about tea.
Paul. - 28 Sep 2005 05:42 GMT
On 27 Sep 2005 11:55:52 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...  

> That's why we have wars.  The international bankers and the arms
> companies and now the oil companies too own the politicians and they
> make them start wars to make money for the bankers and corporations.
> Wars are all about profiteering and it's been like that for centuries.

Show me an endevour in this realm that is *not* about profiteering in
some form or another...

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Billy - 27 Sep 2005 20:09 GMT
>>>>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>>>>>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> The problem right now is that the wars are funded 100% by
> borrowing from foreign banks.

We have not borrowed a dime from a foreign bank.
Furious George - 28 Sep 2005 00:34 GMT
> >>>>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> >>>>>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> We have not borrowed a dime from a foreign bank.

Are you saying that Bush doesn't intend to pay off the foreign
creditors -- that he stole the money?
Billy - 28 Sep 2005 01:47 GMT
>> >>>>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for
>> >>>>>you.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Are you saying that Bush doesn't intend to pay off the foreign
> creditors -- that he stole the money?

Show me a loan request he signed
Paul. - 28 Sep 2005 06:06 GMT
On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:11:46 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...  

> You mean fund all wars with nothing but gas taxes? But but ... we
> wouldn't have any wars then.

Quiet, k0OK!

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Billy - 28 Sep 2005 06:16 GMT
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:11:46 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
> <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Quiet, k0OK!

He's not very good with math. The US uses about 400 million gallons a day.
The tax on a gallon is between 35 and 50 cents depending on the state. It
would not take long to save up enough to have a real nice war.
Furious George - 28 Sep 2005 18:32 GMT
> > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:11:46 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
> > <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> The tax on a gallon is between 35 and 50 cents depending on the state. It
> would not take long to save up enough to have a real nice war.

Are you asking Dumsfeld to make do with less than $200 million dollars
per day?  That'll be a bad day at Halliburton.
Billy - 29 Sep 2005 00:35 GMT
>> > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:11:46 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
>> > <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Are you asking Dumsfeld to make do with less than $200 million dollars
> per day?  That'll be a bad day at Halliburton.

Of course not, just put it off for a month and we have 6 billion in reserve.
then we can start kicking it.
Furious George - 29 Sep 2005 04:37 GMT
> >> > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:11:46 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
> >> > <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> Of course not, just put it off for a month and we have 6 billion in reserve.
> then we can start kicking it.

I think 6 million is a lot of money, but Dumsfeld does not think 6
billion is a lot of money.  You're asking Halliburton to make do with
only 6 billion?
Billy - 30 Sep 2005 00:10 GMT
>> >> > On Tue, 27 Sep 2005 03:11:46 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
>> >> > <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> billion is a lot of money.  You're asking Halliburton to make do with
> only 6 billion?

Well don't forget the original 200 million a day, they should do fine with
that, the war is only costing around 117 mil a day now.
~^Johnny^~ - 28 Sep 2005 04:59 GMT
>Your point on prison time for unlicensed drivers is excellent.

Depends on the conditions.

Susoended?  Revoked?  Expired?
Never before licensed and/or have never legally driven on the highway?

Repeat offenders who drive DUI under a suspended license should
definetelt be locked up.  But jails are overcrowded,  so thet seldom
happens,  and when it does,  the jail term is quite short.  ;`(

Exired drivers should be fined.  

In most other cases,  as it currently is here in California,
unlicensed drivers should have their vehicles towed,  on the spot.
Period.

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Furious George - 30 Sep 2005 01:20 GMT
> >Your point on prison time for unlicensed drivers is excellent.
>
> Depends on the conditions.
>
> Susoended?  Revoked?  Expired?
> Never before licensed and/or have never legally driven on the highway?

Why should that matter?

> Repeat offenders who drive DUI under a suspended license should
> definetelt be locked up.  But jails are overcrowded,  so thet seldom
> happens,  and when it does,  the jail term is quite short.  ;`(

OK.  Then release some nondangerous offenders.  If there is room for
Sheehan there is room for unlicensed drivers.

> Exired drivers should be fined.
>
> In most other cases,  as it currently is here in California,
> unlicensed drivers should have their vehicles towed,  on the spot.
> Period.

That is also an excellent idea.
Scott en Aztlán - 27 Sep 2005 03:46 GMT
>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
>those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
>anyway.

No need if we simply eliminate all taxes that pay for roads, traffic
cops, highway patrols, "free" parking, and other automobile-related
infrastructure and simply shifted all those costs directly to road
users via direct fees (e.g. tolls). That way it doesn't matter whether
you have a license or not, you still have to pay your fair share
straight out of your front pocket (instead of having it
surreptitiously stolen from your back pocket when you're not looking).
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE - 27 Sep 2005 04:16 GMT
>>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>infrastructure and simply shifted all those costs directly to road
>users via direct fees (e.g. tolls).

How you gonna collect the tolls? You want GPS units in every car and
then a bill sent to the owner each month?  That means the govt could
also monitor your speed constantly and fine you for every speeding
violation.  That's fine with me but does a criminal coddler like you
want that?
Aunt Judy likes it in the rear - 28 Sep 2005 23:01 GMT
> >>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> >>Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> violation.  That's fine with me but does a criminal coddler like you
> want that?

Wow, if that happens you'll actually have to do 25mph in those 25mph
school zones you like to drive 41mph through.
Alan Baker - 27 Sep 2005 05:13 GMT
> >If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> >Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> straight out of your front pocket (instead of having it
> surreptitiously stolen from your back pocket when you're not looking).

I can't speak for the U.S., but here in Canada the governments collect
an awful lot of tax on gas; far more tax than they put back into the
roads.

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Scott en Aztlán - 28 Sep 2005 05:17 GMT
>I can't speak for the U.S., but here in Canada the governments collect
>an awful lot of tax on gas; far more tax than they put back into the
>roads.

Then you should also support my idea, as ALL of the money collected
from user fees would go directly back to road-related uses
(construction, maintenance, police, etc.)
Jack May - 28 Sep 2005 06:20 GMT
>>I can't speak for the U.S., but here in Canada the governments collect
>>an awful lot of tax on gas; far more tax than they put back into the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> from user fees would go directly back to road-related uses
> (construction, maintenance, police, etc.)

The police are a profit center for many Governments, not a cost.   There is
a lot of revenue in those tickets they give out all day.
Scott en Aztlán - 28 Sep 2005 15:31 GMT
>> Then you should also support my idea, as ALL of the money collected
>> from user fees would go directly back to road-related uses
>> (construction, maintenance, police, etc.)
>
>The police are a profit center for many Governments, not a cost.   There is
>a lot of revenue in those tickets they give out all day.

Not anymore. Under my proposal, all money collected from ticket fines
would be funneled back into road funds, NOT the local government's
general fund. Maybe if we removed the revenue incentive, cops would go
back to enforcinfg laws for SAFETY instead of EASY MONEY.
Jack May - 29 Sep 2005 03:16 GMT
> Not anymore. Under my proposal, all money collected from ticket fines
> would be funneled back into road funds, NOT the local government's
> general fund. Maybe if we removed the revenue incentive, cops would go
> back to enforcinfg laws for SAFETY instead of EASY MONEY.

You listed road law enforcement as a cost which is not true.

Proposal to who.  Governments are extremely reluctant to give up any revenue
source and just raise taxes and fees elsewhere if they lose a tax (like Prop
13}
Scott en Aztlán - 30 Sep 2005 04:18 GMT
>> Not anymore. Under my proposal, all money collected from ticket fines
>> would be funneled back into road funds, NOT the local government's
>> general fund. Maybe if we removed the revenue incentive, cops would go
>> back to enforcinfg laws for SAFETY instead of EASY MONEY.
>
>You listed road law enforcement as a cost which is not true.

Of course it is. How many Highway Patrol officers do you need if there
are no highways? How many traffic cops do you need if there's no
traffic? Those officers' salaries and equipment are direct
road-related costs.

>Proposal to who.  

To anyone with an open mind.
Paul. - 27 Sep 2005 05:38 GMT
On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:56:52 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
<xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving...  

> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

People who don't drive don't pay alot of taxes already: No fuel excise
taxes, no registration taxes/fees, no tolls, no disposal and/or
envrionmental fees on repairs...

Here's a radical idea, how about a per post tax on known usenet trolls
who openly admit to driving with faulty vehicle equipment (such as bald
tires and no emergency brake)...

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~^Johnny^~ - 27 Sep 2005 07:53 GMT
>If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.

Drivers pay taxes that non-drivers don't,  every time they fuel up,
renew their licenses/registrations,  buy auto insurance,  etc.

Your point,  Judy?

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Pooh Bear - 27 Sep 2005 11:51 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

Why not give out free bicycles to non-drivers ?

Graham
Ted B. - 27 Sep 2005 14:13 GMT
> Why not give out free bicycles to non-drivers ?

What good is a bicycle going to do you if you're unemployed?  -Dave
Sancho Panza - 27 Sep 2005 17:02 GMT
> > Why not give out free bicycles to non-drivers ?
>
> What good is a bicycle going to do you if you're unemployed?  -Dave

What good do bicycles do if you do work? Inclement weather, sweat, fatigue.
You're surely going to be arriving at  work as one  messy slob.
Scott en Aztlán - 28 Sep 2005 15:33 GMT
>What good do bicycles do if you do work? Inclement weather, sweat, fatigue.
>You're surely going to be arriving at  work as one  messy slob.

When I biked to work, I would take a shower upon arrival. By 9AM, I
was fresh and clean as a whistle and sitting at my desk, ready to
begin the day.
james - 28 Sep 2005 15:57 GMT
yup - i'm a roadgeek, but i bike in every day.  9 miles each way
through southeast denver.  if you don't have a shower,  find a gym
close to work and get a bit of weights in!

actually i never shower in the morning.  i don't ride like lance
armstrong in, just a nice easy ride.  takes me 30 minutes each way.
about 10 minutes longer in the AM than if i drove, same time home.

i have rack with bag, pannier,  this morning i stopped and store and
picked up groceries and food for my office, including bagels.
Pooh Bear - 28 Sep 2005 06:53 GMT
> > Why not give out free bicycles to non-drivers ?
>
> What good is a bicycle going to do you if you're unemployed?  -Dave

You've never heard the phrase 'get on your bike' ?

As you're in the USA I'll guess not. I suppose that means you can't get
a job without having a car does it ?

Graham
Dave C. - 28 Sep 2005 09:06 GMT
> > What good is a bicycle going to do you if you're unemployed?  -Dave
>
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>
> Graham

Try living in the U.S. and getting a job without having a car.  It's easy to
do.  The job application for non-car-owners in the U.S. looks like this:

1)  Name
2)  Address
3)  Phone Number
4)  What hours are you available to work?
5)  I understand that employment is "at will"  (sign below)

You could literally print this post, fill it out, and use it to get just
about any job available to non-car-owners in the U.S.

If you want to fill out a job application significantly longer than those 5
lines long, you need a car to get from where you are living to where you
would like to work.  Essentially, if you have a college education in the
U.S., you can not afford to work where you live, as the local employers are
hiring for non-skilled, non-educated (sh.t wages) positions, only.  That's a
bit of an over-simplification, but pretty much true for most areas of the
U.S.  There are areas with good jobs, and areas with affordable housing, and
there is usually a good distance between the two areas.  Bicycle?  Not
practical.  Mass transit?  Not available, or not practical, usually.  In the
U.S., you pretty much own a car and use it daily, or you are (pretty much)
unemployed.  That is, unless you have a high-paying job in a big city, where
you can afford to pay OUTRAGEOUS rent for a tiny studio apartment, and ride
the subway to work.  That does work for some people, but it's not a choice
most would make, obviously.  -Dave
Nog - 27 Sep 2005 14:14 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.
You don't pay tax. No toll tax, no gas tax, no excise tax, no registration
tax, no insurance tax, no tire tax, no oil tax and no license tax.
Ted B. - 27 Sep 2005 14:38 GMT
>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
>> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
>> anyway.
> You don't pay tax. No toll tax, no gas tax, no excise tax, no registration
> tax, no insurance tax, no tire tax, no oil tax and no license tax.

You also pay little or no income tax, as you have no way to get to work at
an employer that offers decent pay, or you work for sh.t wages.  -Dave
khjc@jersey.net - 27 Sep 2005 22:39 GMT
I didn't realize that not having a driver's license made one absolutely
incapable of driving.  A little card does nothing to prevent someone
from driving.  Considering that a HUGE portion of the drivers out there
don't have license or registration or insurance and continue to drive
anyway, you're just asking for people to get rid of their licenses.

Oh, and that jail time issue - um, yeah, where are they going to build
all the prisons to house all these people that get caught.  Let's start
with your back yard.
Aunt Judy likes it in the rear - 28 Sep 2005 01:23 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.

Don't have a driver's license? Don't have to worry about property taxes
on your vehicle then, do you?
Furious George - 28 Sep 2005 01:37 GMT
> > If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>
> Don't have a driver's license? Don't have to worry about property taxes
> on your vehicle then, do you?

Most states have done away with property taxes on vehicles.
~^Johnny^~ - 28 Sep 2005 05:05 GMT
>> > If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>>
>> Don't have a driver's license? Don't have to worry about property taxes
>> on your vehicle then, do you?
>
>Most states have done away with property taxes on vehicles.

Well,  I disagree.  Here in California,  they are called "statutory
fees".   ;->

Not a true property tax,  mind you,  since a stored vehicle,  if
declared PNO,  no longer accrues annual "PNO filing fees".
But it did,  back about 15 years ago...

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~^Johnny^~ - 28 Sep 2005 05:02 GMT
>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>
>Don't have a driver's license? Don't have to worry about property taxes
>on your vehicle then, do you?

Yes,  if you own a vehicle.
Many people who don't drive,  own vehicles.
And this is not limited to celebrities,  either.  :-)

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Billy - 28 Sep 2005 06:04 GMT
>>> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
>>
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> Many people who don't drive,  own vehicles.
> And this is not limited to celebrities,  either.  :-)

I own two vehicles that I don't drive.  Damn Kids!!!
Shawn Hirn - 28 Sep 2005 15:29 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

Last I heard, people who don't drive already get a tax break. They still
pay some road taxes indirectly through the purchase of goods and
services that rely on the roads to be delivered. They don't pay any
direct taxes for driving because they don't buy gas (no gas tax), they
don't pay auto registration fees, nor do they spend much if anything on
tolls, except maybe if they get a ride from a friend.
Chance Hopkins - 29 Sep 2005 08:08 GMT
> If you're over 21 and don't have a drivers license, no taxes for you.
> Of course we'd have to supplement such a law with prison time for
> those who drive without a license, but then that should be the case
> anyway.

pretty good thread you got going here. you might have a point.
 
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