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Harvest of death on the Eastern Shore(Illegal Alien Drivers)
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Moderate Mammal - 11 Oct 2005 03:07 GMT Where's MADD, SADD....???
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Harvest of death on the Eastern Shore The Virginian-Pilot http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/print.cfm?story=93408&ran=120909
Rogue vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers have been responsible for a string of deadly accidents on the Eastern Shore. Two people were killed and two injured when this Ford Escort driven by a Hispanic farm worker ran a stop sign Oct. 1 in Accomack County. virginia state police photos
ACCIDENT TIMELINE:
The 13 fatal accidents involving Hispanic workers on the Eastern Shore since 2002 have killed 18 people. In all but two incidents, the car that caused the accident had out-of-state plates.
Aug. 19, 2002
U.S. 13: Intoxicated migrant worker hit and killed while walking illegally on U.S. 13 at night. Plates: South Carolina.
Aug. 29, 2002
Va. 178: Car runs off road and strikes trees and pole, killing three. Plates: Tennessee.
Nov. 4, 2002
Va. 609: Driver killed when he runs into ditch, loses control and car overturns. Plates: Tennessee.
Feb. 3, 2003
Va. 187: Head-on collision kills two when driver blacks out and crosses median. Plates: Virginia.
July 24, 2003
Va. 609: Driver killed when vehicle runs off road and overturns. Plates: Florida.
Aug. 31, 2003
U.S. 13: Car with three occupants overturns, killing one; driver flees. Plates: Virginia.
Oct. 9, 2003
U.S. 13 (Business): Driver killed when he loses control of car, strikes tree then utility pole. Plates: Tennessee.
Nov. 2, 2003
U.S. 13: Driver killed when car runs off road at high speed and flips end-over-end five times. Plates: Tennessee.
Dec. 20, 2003
U.S. 13: Head-on collision involving two cars with migrant workers; driver of one dies the next day in Charlotte, N.C. Plates: North Carolina.
Dec. 24, 2003
U.S. 13: A head-on collision killed Debbie Thomas, above, a mother of three. Plates: Tennessee.
May 10, 2004
U.S. 13: Driver and passenger killed when they are thrown from one car and struck by two others. Plates: Texas.
July 22, 2004
U.S. 13: Driver killed when he loses control of vehicle and it overturns. Plates: Florida.
Oct. 1, 2005
Intersection of Va. 180 and Va. 600: Driver and child passenger killed when car runs stop sign and is broadsided by a pickup. Plates: Michigan.
The Ford Escort was racing north on rural Seaside Road, its occupants headed home from a wedding, when it ran a stop sign at 55 mph.
The driver of a Ford F-150 traveling east through the intersection never saw the Escort, police said.
The T-bone crash killed the driver of the Escort, Rene Leyva-Perez, and 4-year-old Daniel Salazar, who was in the back seat. Daniels pregnant mother, Marina Salazar, and the driver of the pickup were injured.
When police arrived, they discovered that Leyva-Perez had no auto insurance or drivers license only a laminated ID card issued by the tomato-packing plant where he worked and that the car was registered to a woman in Chesapeake and had Michigan plates.
In the Escorts wreckage, they found empty cans of Modelo Especial acclaimed in Mexico as the elite of beers.
That violent collision nine days ago, on an unlit stretch of Accomack County blacktop, is the latest example of a deadly trend:
Since 2002, more than 90 people have been injured and 18 killed on the Eastern Shore in accidents involving Hispanic workers driving rogue vehicles.
The fatalities represent about one-fourth of the 71 highway deaths on the Eastern Shore in that period, even though the year-round Hispanic population makes up only 5 percent of the regions 51,000 residents. Those numbers swell during tomato-picking season, from July through early November, when most of the fatalities occurred.
Accidents like the one on Oct. 1 have helped make the 77-mile stretch of U.S. 13 from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel to the Maryland state line one of the most treacherous highways in Virginia. In 2003, the fatality rate deaths per miles driven on that span of U.S. 13 was more than four times the rates on Interstates 64, 81 and 95 in Virginia.
In all but three of the fatal accidents in which Hispanics were at the wheel, the drivers had no insurance. In most cases, the vehicles had no inspection stickers, the drivers carried no license and alcohol was a factor. The vast majority of the victims in the fatalities were Hispanic.
A review of State Police auto accident reports for 2002 through 2004 on the Eastern Shore also revealed that of the 179 accidents involving Hispanic laborers:
nThree-fourths of the drivers had no auto insurance more than four times the national rate for uninsured motorists.
nNearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants and other laborers were registered to other drivers.
n Ninety-three percent of the vehicles had out-of-state tags most of them from Tennessee.
nThe number of injuries per accident was about 50 percent higher than the statewide average.
The troopers patrolling U.S. 13, a busy artery connecting Hampton Roads to the populous Northeast, are frustrated by the pattern of lawlessness and mayhem.
Only 10 troopers are assigned to the highways that crisscross the Eastern Shores 263 square miles and on some shifts there is only one trooper on duty for each of the Shores two counties. First Sgt. J.P. Koushel, who oversees the Shores troopers, said his unit is tremendously understaffed and that he has requested additional manpower.
Right now were just running from call to call, Koushel said. We cant even be pro active anymore.
Koushel said most of the vehicles involved in accidents that kill and injure fail to meet Virginia highway safety standards. He called it a mockery of the states vehicle registration law.
Tennessee plates
The state of Tennessee appears to be an enabler for many of the illegal drivers.
Up and down the Eastern Shore, in the work camps and housing complexes where migrants and year-round laborers live, Tennessee plates abound. Eastern Shore law enforcers suspect there is a flourishing black market for Tennessee tags.
There has been speculation of a mail-order operation, but postmasters say they cannot discuss the nature of their mail. Officials for the State Police Bureau of Criminal Investigation would not say if they are looking into the Tennessee tag issue.
Tennessees titling and registration regulations are among the most lax in the nation. Several migrants interviewed recently said they got Tennessee tags because they were turned down by Virginias Department of Motor Vehicles.
Tennessee does not require identification or proof of insurance when a vehicle is titled and plates are issued, as long as the motorist pays cash. Most states require identification or proof of insurance; Virginia requires both.
Tennessee state Sen. Bill Ketron said his states legislature has failed to close the loophole because of pressure from the powerful auto insurance industry, which he says wants to be able to cherry-pick who they sell to, rather than being forced to insure high-risk drivers. He plans to introduce a bill during the next legislative session, which begins in January, that would toughen titling and registration requirements.
The problem also has come to the attention of Virginias Migrant and Seasonal Farm Workers Advisory Board. The Tennessee license plate matter is a political hot potato, said Kenneth E. Annis of Exmore, chairman of the 15-member board.
Annis promised that it will be addressed at the boards next meeting. The board, which meets four times a year, can recommend changes to the governor or the General Assembly.
Other regions with significant Hispanic populations, such as Rockingham County in Virginias Shenandoah Valley and the Greensboro/Winston-Salem area of North Carolina, have not seen significant numbers of cars with Tennessee tags, say law enforcement officials there.
But on the Eastern Shore, Somebody is making it very easy for these drivers to get Tennessee tags, Annis said. Its all very fishy.
And deadly. In the 13 fatal accidents since 2002 involving Hispanic workers, six vehicles bore Tennessee tags.
Many of the Tennessee plates on the Shore were issued in Union County, in the eastern part of the state near the Virginia border about a nine-hour drive from the Shore.
Jim Houston, county clerk for Union County, said Tennessee officials are aware of the problem. Houston said his office sees quite a few Hispanics registering vehicles, and I think the numbers increasing.
When the topic of migrants titling vehicles came up at a recent meeting of Tennessee clerks, Houston said, One of the other clerks said, 'Lord, were overrun with them.
Migrant population swells
Each year, tomato pickers follow the jobs north from Florida and Georgia to Virginias Eastern Shore by the thousands.
In July, the Hispanic population on the Shore swells from fewer than 3,000 those who live there year-round to about 7,000. The seasonal migrants stay until late October, sometimes into November, then head south.
In recent years, more workers have stuck around when the growing season ended. The number of Eastern Shore laborers who stayed behind and became full-time residents jumped from 177 in 1980 to 2,516 in 2000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
With its long growing season, the Shore has become one of the nations garden spots for tomatoes, which are now its biggest cash crop. Virginia ranks third in the nation in tomato production, behind Florida and California. Virginias annual crop is valued at $60 million 95 percent of it grown on the Shore.
Tomatoes must be picked by hand, a labor-intensive and often sweltering task. The migrants from Mexico and Central America bring a willingness and the skills that local laborers generally lack, said Jim Belote, agricultural extension agent for Accomack County.
These guys are incredible athletes, he said. Youll see one worker toss a basket of tomatoes to a guy on a truck like a football player completing a pass, and then the first guy is filling another basket.
Theyre also very conscientious. They live in what we would consider impoverished conditions so they can send most of their salary to relatives back home.
Migrants are indispensable to the large commercial tomato growers that dominate the industry on the Shore. Jay Taylor, president of Florida-based Taylor & Fulton Inc., one of the Eastern Shores largest growers, said his company hires between 650 and 750 migrants to pick tomatoes and 150 more to package them during the height of the season at its Mappsville operation.
Jim Albright, who ministers to migrants on the Eastern Shore for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Richmond, said most Hispanics on the Shore are law-abiding and hard working. Some are professionals, and there are two Hispanic doctors, he said.
Albright said migrants have been victimized by fly-by-night entrepreneurs who promise to get them immigration documents, then disappear with their cash. He said he knows it is difficult for many migrants to obtain drivers licenses and vehicle registrations, which can lead them to seek Tennessee tags.
Most of the laborers live in Accomack County housing complexes, motels and mobile home parks, some in squalid conditions. Two of the largest trailer parks are named Dreamland 1 and Dreamland 2.
One laborer, a resident of Dreamland 1 and a Mexican immigrant, said weekend parties are a way of letting off steam after a hot week in the fields.
In 2003 and 2004, 128 of the 395 people arrested on DUI charges on the Shore 32.4 percent were Hispanic. Steve Hearn, who heads the Shores Virginia Alcohol Safety Action Program, said the courts are sending increasing numbers of Hispanics through the program, and he has begun conducting classes in Spanish on videotape and using a Spanish-speaking interpreter for alcohol-awareness sessions.
The carnage
The mix of alcohol, unsafe vehicles and inexperienced drivers has bred carnage along the back roads that connect farm fields to the hamlets on the Shore. Those roads eventually lead to U.S. 13, which bisects the long, narrow peninsula.
When crashes occur, it is not uncommon for Hispanic drivers often intoxicated and unlicensed to flee before troopers arrive. According to State Police records, about a third of accidents involving migrant workers are hit-and-run.
Thats what happened on Aug. 29, 2002. The driver of a 1990 Dodge van apparently lost control on Va. 178 near Belle Haven. The van veered off the road and struck several trees, then a utility pole.
There were seven people in the van, and three of them all migrant laborers died. Two passengers fled before police arrived. The car was registered to Guadalupe Ramirez in Unicoi County, Tenn.
Many accidents leave a curious paper trail. On Nov. 4, 2002, a 1986 Nissan Sentra overturned on Va. 609 in Accomack County, killing the driver, Jesus Antonio Lopez.
Lopez was intoxicated, according to police. The car he was driving bore Tennessee plates and was registered to Michael Jones of 620 Pinewood Drive in Virginia Beach.
Jones, contacted recently in Virginia Beach, said he owned an 86 Sentra when he lived at that address but that he had since moved and given the car to a friend in Northampton County. Jones said the friend later sold the car.
Told that the car had been registered in his name in Tennessee, Jones speculated that someone had found papers with his personal information in the car and used them to get the Tennessee tags.
Its kind of scary to think that can happen, he said.
A collision on Dec. 20, 2003, involved all of the volatile ingredients: two cars carrying laborers, each bearing out-of-state tags, crashed head-on. Investigators said both drivers had been drinking.
Victor Herrera Munoz, a poultry worker, was headed south on U.S. 13 in a 1985 Chevrolet Camaro with North Carolina plates when he lost control, crossed the median and struck an oncoming Ford Escort, according to a police report.
When officers arrived, no one was in the drivers seat of the badly crumpled Escort, which had Tennessee plates. An ambulance transported Munoz to a hospital in Salisbury, Md.
A few days later, police discovered what happened to the driver of the Escort, Israel Gomez Sanchez. Friends of Gomez Sanchez following in another car had pulled him from the wreckage, placed him in their car and set out on an eight-hour drive to Charlotte, N.C., where Gomez Sanchez had relatives.
There, the injured mans family called an ambulance. According to the medical examiners report, Gomez Sanchez died at a Charlotte hospital, nearly 14 hours after the accident.
Accomack County prosecutors initially planned to charge Munoz with manslaughter, but decided it would be difficult to convict him because Gomez Sanchez may have lived had he received prompt medical attention.
State Trooper Koushel said migrants often cannot be conclusively identified when theyre stopped for a violation or involved in an accident. Many, he said, are illegal aliens who carry fake or invalid drivers licenses. Because of that, he said, many fail to show up in court.
Its almost like writing a ticket to a ghost, Koushel said.
Sometimes when theres an accident involving a fatality or serious injury, we dont even know what embassy to contact, he said.
Its three months into the harvest season, and State Police recently have seen the effects of the migrant influx. So has Sentara Norfolk Generals air ambulance, the Nightingale.
The helicopter regularly flies to the Eastern Shore to ferry badly injured accident survivors to the Norfolk hospital. On the evening of Sept. 17, the Nightingale made two trips to the Shore to retrieve victims from accidents on U.S. 13.
In the first crash, a man suffered a broken neck when the Hyundai he was riding in pulled out into the path of a State Police special investigator. The Hyundais driver, a Hispanic worker, had a blood-alcohol content more than double the legal limit for driving.
In the second accident, a migrant worker was seriously hurt while walking intoxicated along U.S. 13 just one mile from the earlier accident. The van that struck him stopped, and the driver stepped out briefly before speeding off. Witnesses identified the driver as Hispanic.
Two weeks later, the Nightingale was again summoned to the Eastern Shore, to pick up pregnant Marina Salazar, injured in the crash on Seaside Road.
On patrol
Along desolate County Road near Parksley, state Trooper Casey Lewis watched a Toyota Camry pull compliantly off the road at dusk. The cars left tail light was burned out. The license plate would have led a casual observer to conclude that the driver was from Tennessee, but Lewis knew better.
Ive gotten this guy before, she said, grabbing a long black flashlight, securing a troopers hat over her hair and stepping out of the patrol car.
The Camrys driver accompanied Lewis back to her cruiser and pulled out his wallet. It contained a North Carolina ID card that said he was Jose Luis Montes, a field worker from Mexico. But he had no drivers license.
On the floor of the passengers side of the Camry sat a brown paper bag containing a six-pack of beer bottles. Five were empty.
It was not Montes lucky night. He was only about 200 feet from the entrance to Dreamland 2, where he lives. Lewis cited him for driving without an operators permit, an open-container violation and driving with defective equipment.
A few minutes later, Parksley Police Chief Tommy Carpenter pulled up and removed the Tennessee plates with a power screwdriver.
Well take them back and destroy them, Lewis said. That way they wont get recycled on the Shore.
Later that evening, Lewis was one of more than a half-dozen officers who set up a DUI checkpoint in front of a funeral home on Parksley Road, a two-lane stretch of rural blacktop. State Police operate checkpoints once or twice a month. This time, in order to muster enough manpower, they had to recruit local sheriffs deputies.
From midnight to just before 4 a.m., the officers stopped cars, vans and pickups in the sulfurous haze of orange roadside flares, waving suspected violators into the funeral home parking lot. It was a busy night. At one point, eight vehicles were parked at odd angles as officers interviewed their drivers.
At 12:23 a.m., an officer flagged a Nissan pickup with Alabama tags and a black crouching tiger painted on the drivers-side door. Two Hispanic men wearing white T-shirts got out. The driver had no license or ID.
The men became agitated as they milled around. When a tow truck arrived to haul away the pickup, one of the men began shouting Discrimination! Discrimination!
As the wrecker pulled away with the pickup aboard, one man flung himself on the flatbed tow truck and tried to roll under his confiscated pickup.
The ruse didnt work.
Come on down off there, amigo, one of the officers ordered.
There was little rest on this night for Randy Miller, owner of Randys Service Center in Parksley. He drives a red tow truck with 23½ HOUR SERVICE emblazoned on the drivers door.
The half-hour is when I sleep, Miller deadpanned as he loaded up for his fifth trip of the night.
Miller said he maintains a small used-car lot made up mostly of aging vehicles that were never claimed for the $125 towing fee. They often are sold to other farm laborers, police said, thus making their way back onto the highways many of them sporting Tennessee plates.
The fallout
Every fatality leaves people dealing with its aftermath. Georgie Smith is one of them.
When her daughter, Debbie Thomas, was killed in a Christmas Eve 2003 accident on U.S. 13, Smith was left to raise three grandchildren. Six generations now live in the same two-story house in Painter.
That Christmas, Smith recalls, people came by the house not to celebrate the holiday but to offer condolences. Her grandchildren received the gifts from their mom unwrapped, in a cardboard box.
Thomas had been on her way home that night to wrap the presents. She was less than a mile from her house in Nelsonia when her Nissan Sentra was hit head-on by a Geo Storm with Tennessee plates traveling the wrong way.
The impact tore the shoes from Thomas feet. She later died at the hospital. Her daughter, Marquita, suffered only minor injuries thanks to a last-second maneuver by Thomas. State Police said she turned the wheel to the right just before impact, taking the brunt of the collision on the drivers side and probably saving Marquitas life.
The driver of the other car, Narciso Garcia-Jimenez, was seriously hurt. He was air-lifted unconscious to Sentara Norfolk General, where State Police told hospital officials that they planned to obtain a warrant, charging him with manslaughter.
But later, when a nurse went to Garcia-Jimenezs room, the bed was empty except for a dangling intravenous line. He remains a fugitive.
Garcia-Jimenez worked at one of the sprawling poultry plants in Accomack County. The Geo Storm he was driving was uninsured, had no inspection sticker and was registered to another person at P.O. Box 87, Newport, Tenn. an address that frequently shows up on registration papers carried by migrants, State Police said.
Smith thought the driver of the car that struck her daughters had been killed in the crash. When told he had survived and had never been arrested, Smith said she felt angry, bitter and sad, all at once.
Angry, but not surprised. Not long ago, a man crashed a car near the family home on narrow, poorly lit Shell Bridge Road.
When police arrived, they found the car smashed against a tree. The driver was gone. So were the license plates.
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Troddin On the Sand Inna Babylon Land - 11 Oct 2005 04:48 GMT > Where's MADD, SADD....??? Blame NAFTA.
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 11 Oct 2005 06:42 GMT I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp have convictions for DUI and nobody cares, it sounds kinda hypocritical to accuse aliens of unsafe driving.
If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals.
Paul. - 11 Oct 2005 07:04 GMT Laura Bush murdered her boy friend:
> I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and > the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding > prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals. PKB, a.shole. You have admitted to being an unsafe driver yourself on more than one accasion. And by the way, you stupid f.cking loser, highway enforcement has nothing to do with highway safety and everything to do with making money for the thieving little piece of sh.t juristictions that engage in it, you baboon blowing f.ck!@!@!
Moderate Mammal - 11 Oct 2005 09:58 GMT >I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and >the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding >prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals. Actually it's the illegals that do not have to obay any laws. As a matter of fact in many cites the police don't even ticket illegals because they never show up to court. With phony DL's and fake plates they cannot be tracked down. And if they do arrest the illegals immigration refuses to come pick them up.
Illegals also do not carry insurance. And many Americans are stuck with paying for the damage themselves as the illegals just hit and run. BTW, the Bushes you hate so much love 'em illegal aliens. Just like you.
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Douggie - 11 Oct 2005 15:49 GMT Everyone knows that racist redneck hamburger-flippers are the worst drivers in the world. You lowlifes make migrants look pretty damned safe and careful by comparison.
Moderate Mammal - 11 Oct 2005 17:04 GMT >Everyone knows that racist redneck hamburger-flippers Most "Hamburger flippers" are illegal aliens.
>are the worst >drivers in the world. Comfirmed by the article.
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>You lowlifes make migrants look pretty damned >safe and careful by comparison. -------------------------------------
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Gunner - 11 Oct 2005 17:25 GMT >Everyone knows that racist redneck hamburger-flippers are the worst >drivers in the world. You lowlifes make migrants look pretty damned >safe and careful by comparison. Cites?
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WakeUp2005@adelphia.net - 12 Oct 2005 04:18 GMT >Everyone knows that racist redneck hamburger-flippers are the worst >drivers in the world. You lowlifes make migrants look pretty damned >safe and careful by comparison. It must be awful to be a self-hating person such as yourself. Moreover, I suspect you're in fact projecting *your* *own* unenviable background/socioeconomic situation on others when you write such things as the above. ************************************************************************ Was this post informative? Consider printing it or emailing it to someone you know.
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Duly Appointed Bitchslapper - 12 Oct 2005 06:47 GMT > Everyone knows that racist redneck hamburger-flippers are the worst > drivers in the world. You lowlifes make migrants look pretty damned > safe and careful by comparison. Let me guess: you call everyone who does not agree with you a "racist" because you can't win an argument on an intellectual basis, right?
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Tiny Human Ferret - 12 Oct 2005 14:08 GMT >>Everyone knows that racist redneck hamburger-flippers are the worst >>drivers in the world. You lowlifes make migrants look pretty damned >>safe and careful by comparison. > > Let me guess: you call everyone who does not agree with you a "racist" > because you can't win an argument on an intellectual basis, right? Nope. It appears to have a severe bipolar disorder. Every now and then it gets into a manic lather and fills up the newsgroup with this insane babbling.
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend - 11 Oct 2005 20:22 GMT > Illegals also do not carry insurance. And many Americans are stuck > with paying for the damage themselves as the illegals just hit and > run. BTW, the Bushes you hate so much love 'em illegal aliens. Just > like you. I hate illegal aliens, you idiot. Bush doesn't really love illegal aliens either but he does love the open borders cause it makes it so easy for the CIA to do the drug smuggling they've been doing for decades.
Xeton2001IsAFlamingIdiot.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 12 Oct 2005 00:21 GMT > > Illegals also do not carry insurance. And many Americans are stuck > > with paying for the damage themselves as the illegals just hit and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > easy for the CIA to do the drug smuggling they've been doing for > decades. Why do you complain about drug smuggling? You obviously "benefit" from the practice.
Robin Hood Zoro - 12 Oct 2005 03:41 GMT >> Illegals also do not carry insurance. And many Americans are stuck >> with paying for the damage themselves as the illegals just hit and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >easy for the CIA to do the drug smuggling they've been doing for >decades. The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade - 12 Oct 2005 12:59 GMT Laura Bush murdered her boy friend:
> I hate illegal aliens, you idiot. Bush doesn't really love illegal > aliens either but he does love the open borders cause it makes it so > easy for the CIA to do the drug smuggling they've been doing for > decades. f.cking loser. He loves them because his corporate buddies love them to clean their houses and mow their lawns. Do the world a favor and grow a clue, will ya?
Gunner - 12 Oct 2005 17:07 GMT On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:59:51 -0400, The Laura Bush Murdered Her Boyfriend Blade <the_blade@the_mouth_of_Laura_Bush_Murdered_Her_Boyfriend.cum> wrote:
>Laura Bush murdered her boy friend: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >clean their houses and mow their lawns. Do the world a favor and grow a >clue, will ya? hummm...get a clue...
Anyone who posts under your nym....has to be either blindly biased, or a barking moonbat...so why would we consider anything you wrote valid?
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> Anyone who posts under your nym....has to be either blindly biased, or > a barking moonbat...so why would we consider anything you wrote valid? snip ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ??Barking moonbat??? A great turn of phrase. I will use it Thursday in a all staff meeting to discribe a certain decorative but clearly crazy young lady who works with us. She is an intern from a nearby college and is so far left that the lefties I work with look at her oddly.
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Troddin On the Sand Inna Babylon Land - 13 Oct 2005 01:05 GMT > snip >> Anyone who posts under your nym....has to be either blindly biased, or [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Terry How far "left" is she? Almost a JFK democrat? Presumes to have freedom of speech? Does she smoke Sandalwood Incense made for her own sandals? Enquiring minds want to know. I'll wager she's just a poser.
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Troddin On the Sand Inna Babylon Land - 13 Oct 2005 01:03 GMT > On Wed, 12 Oct 2005 07:59:51 -0400, The Laura Bush Murdered Her > Boyfriend Blade [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Anyone who posts under your nym....has to be either blindly biased, or > a barking moonbat...so why would we consider anything you wrote valid? It is entertaining, however. And aren't all bats(except cricket and baseball bats) moon bats? They don't come out in the day. Guess the opposite is a sun bat which is even more absurd.
> Gunner > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Think of it as having your older brother knock the sh.t out of you > for torturing the cat." Gunner
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WakeUp2005@adelphia.net - 12 Oct 2005 04:16 GMT >>I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and >>the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >they cannot be tracked down. And if they do arrest the illegals >immigration refuses to come pick them up. Correct -- therefore, they're essentially immune from our traffic laws. You may attend Driver's Ed classes, driver responsibly etc etc and STILL get killed when a humongous SUV -- or even a Yugo, for that matter -- driven by an illegal alien slams into your car.
>Illegals also do not carry insurance. And many Americans are stuck >with paying for the damage themselves as the illegals just hit and [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >---------- >To send mail: remove hutch ************************************************************************ Was this post informative? Consider printing it or emailing it to someone you know.
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H. Reader - 11 Oct 2005 18:00 GMT >I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and > the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding > prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals. Nice red herring.
WakeUp2005@adelphia.net - 12 Oct 2005 04:14 GMT >I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and >the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding >prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals. We DO. First things first. ************************************************************************ Was this post informative? Consider printing it or emailing it to someone you know.
"A passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation . . . betrays [one nation] into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter . . . "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. "Nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachments for others should be excluded."
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TedKennedyMurderedHisPregnantMistress.dwpj65@spamgourmet.com - 12 Oct 2005 04:19 GMT > I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and > the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding > prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals. We do demand prison time for all bad drivers, but Ted Kennedy seems to be against it for some reason or another. Without senatorial support, what can you do?
Archie Leach - 13 Oct 2005 11:29 GMT >I don't doubt this is true but in a country where everyone speeds and >the first lady is guilty of vehicular manslaughter and the pres and vp [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >If americans really cared about highway safety, we'd be demanding >prison time for all bad drivers not just deportation for the illegals. Shut up, Judy.
John S. - 12 Oct 2005 16:22 GMT > Where's MADD, SADD....??? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > worker ran a stop sign Oct. 1 in Accomack County. virginia state > police photos Seems to me that this points up the consequences of treating illegals and cross border trade inconsistently more than anything else. On the one hand we erect fences and employ border guards to enforce catch and return policies. For those who are able to live here illegally they work at the margin unable to afford insurance and qualify for many social support services. On the other hand we all enjoy the benefits of their illegal behaviour in the form of inexpensive day labor, nannies, meat, produce, etc. We sign on to a open-border trade policy to improve trade, yet we don't require trucks from mexico or their drivers to meet basic safety stanards we require of U.S. citizens.
In short we can't wink and pretend to not see the innumerable illegals in this country while at the same time getting their services for practically nothing. There is a cost to such ignorance, and it appears in accidents such as the one you listed and at the emergency room many illegals use as their family doctor.
It's time to wake up and at least be consistent one way or the other.
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