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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / October 2005Bill introduced requires pets in cars be belted or in crates
I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't care if i crash into your car and kill you and your family." http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05279/582996.stm Bill would keep dogs safer in cars, no ears flapping in the wind Thursday, October 06, 2005 By Linda Wilson Fuoco, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette Rep. Tom Stevenson, R-Mt. Lebanon, has introduced a bill that would require dogs and other pets to be buckled up or battened down in pet seat belts or in crates. It would be illegal for an animal to put its head or even its nose out the window of a moving motorized vehicle. "The General Assembly finds that pets riding in automobiles have caused distraction to drivers" which "sometimes results in automobile accidents and injury," says the opening paragraph of House Bill 1737. "We've had a lot of response and most of it is negative," said Nancy Makowski, Mr. Stevenson's legislative assistant. "Some say this is the only joy a dog has." Many concerns come from owners of big dogs. They don't all own vans and SUVs, and crates for big dogs won't fit into regular cars. Members of dog clubs "are ballistic about this," said Lawrence J. Gerson, a Point Breeze veterinarian who is on the legislative committee of the Pennsylvania Veterinary Medical Association. "They feel it infringes on their rights." (snip) > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > (snip) How about those that drive with the dog 'in their lap'? I've seen many people driving around with a little dog in their lap, it's head hanging out the window merrily panting at passersby. I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway traffic. I'm not thrilled that yet another law must be enacted to protect poor pets, but there has to be a way to make these ignorant drivers responsible. Ack. netuser_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > How about those that drive with the dog 'in their lap'? I've seen many > people driving around with a little dog in their lap, it's head hanging [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > pets, but there has to be a way to make these ignorant drivers > responsible. Ack. These drivers are not ignorant. They know they are risking the dogs life and are increasing the chances that they will lose control of the car and crash into and kill someone else. They just don't care. They are psycopaths just like the cell phone drivers. > netuser_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > > I'm not thrilled that yet another law must be enacted to protect poor [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > car and crash into and kill someone else. They just don't care. They > are psycopaths just like the cell phone drivers. Check out the difference sometime between "don't know", "don't care" and "don't believe". You're going to burst a blood vessel, demonizing people like that all the time.  SignatureWalt Smith Firelock on DALNet > > netuser_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > I'm not thrilled that yet another law must be enacted to protect poor [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "don't care" and "don't believe". You're going to burst > a blood vessel, demonizing people like that all the time. You criminal coddlers are all alike. Always worried about the MOTIVATION of the killer. > > > netuser_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > > > > I'm not thrilled that yet another law must be enacted to protect poor [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > You criminal coddlers are all alike. And the demonizing continues. > Always worried about the MOTIVATION of the killer. I'm thinking about the motivation of the vast majority of people who violate your sacred rules of behavior and never hurt anybody, but might. Understanding their motivation is key to determining how to change their behavior. If they don't *know* that their behavior is dangerous, this indicates that an education program is necessary and could well have a positive effect. If they don't *believe* that their behavior is dangerous, then this shows that the education program already in place has been ineffective and needs to be changed. If they know and believe, but don't *care* that their behavior is dangerous, *then and only then* do we have the psychopathic behavior you claim to see in everyone who doesn't drive like you think they should. SignatureWalt Smith Firelock on DALNet >> Always worried about the MOTIVATION of the killer. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the psychopathic behavior you claim to see in everyone > who doesn't drive like you think they should. Judy is too simple-minded to understand. Others have tried and failed to get this very point through to him. > netuser_a...@yahoo.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > car and crash into and kill someone else. They just don't care. They > are psycopaths just like the cell phone drivers. I take my pooch, Dubya, with me all the time and he rides right up there on my lap proud as hell. He's a big help too!! Like when I need a little more mix for my Coke I just put his little paws up on the wheel and he takes over. He's steers real good for a dog!! The hell.... you want me to steer with my knees while I mix one? ___________________________ Join DAMM now! Drunks Against Mad Mothers On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 12:55:01 -0600, hANJL <hANJL@hotmail.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving... > I take my pooch, Dubya, with me all the time and he rides right up there on > my lap proud as hell. He's a big help too!! Like when I need a little more > mix for my Coke I just put his little paws up on the wheel and he takes > over. He's steers real good for a dog!! The hell.... you want me to steer > with my knees while I mix one? And I'll bet that on his worst day, that your dog drives better than LBMHB on its best day (yeah, I know that "judy's best day," is stretching things a bit) ... > netuser_a...@yahoo.com wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > car and crash into and kill someone else. They just don't care. They > are psycopaths just like the cell phone drivers. How do you drive a cell phone? I've *really* got to get that "dictionary for the mentally challenged" that you refer to so frequently. > I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out > of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway > traffic. Oh, yeah, that MUST be how that happens. <EYEROLL> > > I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out > > of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway > > traffic. > > Oh, yeah, that MUST be how that happens. <EYEROLL> So are you thinking that those animals would ignore the noisy zooming automobiles of a busy freeway, attempting to cross 4 lanes of one way traffic, reach an HOV cement barracade, climb it, cross the HOV lane to the other cement baracade, climb it, then shoot for crossing 4 more lanes of speeding autos going the opposite direction? I suppose that's how those homeless yet fearless Shitzus and Chihuahuas end up dead in the middle of the freeway - Uhuh <EYEROLL> > > > I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out > > > of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the other cement baracade, climb it, then shoot for crossing 4 more > lanes of speeding autos going the opposite direction? No, they would just come from the shoulder onto the speeding highway without climbing over anything. The first time you see your dog drinking out of toilet, eating rocks, or chasing its own tail should clue you into the fact that they aren't that smart. > > > > I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out > > > > of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > or chasing its own tail should clue you into the fact that they aren't > that smart. Well, if the owner of said canine doesn't make that observation, it's a clue that owners and pets share many characteristics, including intellect. > > > I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out > > > of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I suppose that's how those homeless yet fearless Shitzus and Chihuahuas > end up dead in the middle of the freeway - Uhuh <EYEROLL> I've seen it happening. It was two dogs which wandered onto I5. Traffic was at or above the speed limit and heavy. They were completely scared and they could not get over the concrete jersey barriers in the middle. Cars were skidding, one guy stopped and grabbed one of the dogs and tossed it into the back of his pickup but it jumped out and continued to mindlessly move around in the fast lane. He gave up and left. I couldn't get close to them because I couldn't get across traffic safely. Finally they crossed back over and wandered back up on the on ramp. I suspect that's what usually happens, although some dogs could certainly have fallen out of cars or the back of pickups. Signature"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" >So are you thinking that those animals would ignore the noisy zooming >automobiles of a busy freeway, attempting to cross 4 lanes of one way >traffic, reach an HOV cement barracade, climb it, cross the HOV lane to >the other cement baracade, climb it, then shoot for crossing 4 more >lanes of speeding autos going the opposite direction? Actually they'll run along the barricade until they find a gap, and then make a run for the other side at some point. > >So are you thinking that those animals would ignore the noisy zooming > >automobiles of a busy freeway, attempting to cross 4 lanes of one way [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Actually they'll run along the barricade until they find a gap, and > then make a run for the other side at some point. There is no gap in that area for miles in each direction. Signature"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" >> >So are you thinking that those animals would ignore the noisy zooming >> >automobiles of a busy freeway, attempting to cross 4 lanes of one way [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >There is no gap in that area for miles in each direction. Then the dog came from the direction where there weren't as many barriers. Why did you assume otherwise in the first place? > >> >So are you thinking that those animals would ignore the noisy zooming > >> >automobiles of a busy freeway, attempting to cross 4 lanes of one way [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Then the dog came from the direction where there weren't as many > barriers. Why did you assume otherwise in the first place? I was driving onto the freeway and watching the dogs entering through the on ramp. It was actually the merging of one freeway onto the major one so they were already on the freeway. I stopped and got out and tried to help but the dogs were going crazy. They both survived but I don't know how. Signature"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" >So are you thinking that those animals >would ignore the noisy zooming [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >dead in the middle of the freeway - Uhuh ><EYEROLL> Well...yeah, it does happen: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.pets.cats.health+behav/msg/792035b058b97620 Megan "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -Edmund Burke Learn The TRUTH About Declawing http://www.stopdeclaw.com Zuzu's Cats Photo Album: http://www.PictureTrail.com/zuzu22 "Concerning all acts of initiative (and creation), there is one elementary truth the ignorance of which kills countless ideas and splendid plans: that the moment one definitely commits oneself, then providence moves too. A whole stream of events issues from the decision, raising in one's favor all manner of unforeseen incidents, meetings and material assistance, which no man could have dreamt would have come his way." - W.H. Murray > > I also see many dead 'pets', mostly dogs, that apear to have fallen out > > of the vehicle in which they were riding, and onto busy freeway > > traffic. > > Oh, yeah, that MUST be how that happens. <EYEROLL> Yes, that's the main cause of dead dogs on the freeway. California now requires cross-tie restraints in trucks for that very reason. You can stick your eyes back in, now. Signatureich bin ein meower mhm 32x30 fugawi:1*1 wee saul disciple #32 hell-flame-wars george pickett memorial trophy 2005 galactic killfile entry June 9, 2005 If you choose to dehumanize people, you shouldn't expect them to behave like humans. -Russ Allbery > > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > pets, but there has to be a way to make these ignorant drivers > responsible. Ack. Well I'm against it until they ban cell phone users from talking and driving. Way more accidents caused by cell phones than dogs IMO. td > > > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > > > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Well I'm against it until they ban cell phone users from talking and > driving. Way more accidents caused by cell phones than dogs IMO. Why don't they just make it illegal to drive badly. That should clear things up. Can you hear me now? Signature"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata." +-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous" > Why don't they just make it illegal to drive badly. That should clear > things up. Can you hear me now? Some states already have driver distraction laws that would cover most of these situations. It's used in Virginia to stop women putting on lipstick while driving and others eating while driving. > > Well I'm against it until they ban cell phone users from talking and > > driving. Way more accidents caused by cell phones than dogs IMO. > > > Why don't they just make it illegal to drive badly. That should clear > things up. Can you hear me now? That's already the case but unfortunately the penalties for the crime of reckless driving are too light to force people to obey the laws. Just more criminal coddling. On 22 Oct 2005 09:37:32 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving... > That's already the case but unfortunately the penalties for the crime > of reckless driving are too light to force people to obey the laws. As you should well enough know. > Just more criminal coddling. And did you say that to the cop before or after you threatened to kick his teeth in?? SignatureGet back under your bridge, troll! -- "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Connecting POA to LBMHB/lbVH: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj > > > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > > > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > Well I'm against it until they ban cell phone users from talking and > driving. Way more accidents caused by cell phones than dogs IMO. Way more accidents caused by cell phones than by kids loose in the car, too. Wanna repeal the car seat laws? Signatureich bin ein meower mhm 32x30 fugawi:1*1 wee saul disciple #32 hell-flame-wars george pickett memorial trophy 2005 galactic killfile entry June 9, 2005 If you choose to dehumanize people, you shouldn't expect them to behave like humans. -Russ Allbery netuser_a wrote: > How about those that drive with the dog 'in their lap'? How about the majority who don't? Well, out here in yuppie land I have NEVER had someone with a dog in the car run a red light and almost hit me! I HAVE had MANY times when some yuppie on the cell phone has run that red light and almost got me. At least for the Washington DC Metro area, the cell phone is the hazard and NOT the dog! > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > (snip) > I'm all for this. I'm sure you are. Yet another law isn't going to do anything. Most locales already have distracted driving laws which cover ANY distraction. >> I'm all for this. > > I'm sure you are. Yet another law isn't going to do anything. Most > locales already have distracted driving laws which cover ANY > distraction. Yep. The answer is simple- http://www.fidorido.com/index.html Invented by an entrepreneurial hoosier to boot! > > I'm all for this. > > I'm sure you are. Yet another law isn't going to do anything. Most > locales already have distracted driving laws which cover ANY > distraction. Yeah but then it's up to the court to decide what a distraction is and they may say a dog isn't. Better to just say no dogs loose inside cars. On 21 Oct 2005 22:55:44 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving... > Yeah but then it's up to the court to decide what a distraction is and > they may say a dog isn't. Better to just say no dogs loose inside cars. Just like we say "no driving under the influence of alcholo," and "no killing your misteress for political gain." Just ask kennedy about that one. And just like we put in 25 zones for schools and neighborhoods. Just ask yourself about that! SignatureGet back under your bridge, troll! -- "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Connecting POA to LBMHB/lbVH: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj > > > I'm all for this. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Yeah but then it's up to the court to decide what a distraction is and > they may say a dog isn't. Better to just say no dogs loose inside cars. Congrats, just like a facist to come up with that kind of argument. > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't > care if i crash into your car and kill you and your family." What about the dog that rides in the driver seat of your car? laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE: > I'm all for this. Good, you baboon blowing buffoon. Now, get yourself to prison, since you are violating the same law seeing as how there is always a jackass loose in your vehicle when you are driving! > I'm all for this. Dogs are a bigger distraction than cell phones. > People with dogs running loose in their cars are saying "FU - i don't > care if i crash into your car and kill you and your family." While I agree with the idea of people being called "guardians" of animals instead of "owners" I think this is a bit over the top. I like seeing dogs enjoy the breeze. Besides I imagine cell phone use causes more distraction than pets that can be trained to behave. > http://www.postgazette.com/pg/05279/582996.stm > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > (snip) |
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