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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / October 2005Spedding fines: 5 mph increments regardless of speed limit
Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? For example 35 in 25 is much more serious than 80 in 70: 40% versus 14%, although the difference is the same 10mph. As an added benefit, it would require traffic cops to have a minimum of mathematical ability, and that would thin their ranks quite a bit. > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a minimum of mathematical ability, and that would thin their > ranks quite a bit. Obey the law. Problem solved. > > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Obey the law. Problem solved. Set speed limits appropriately. Problem solved.  SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." On 24 Oct 2005 09:30:53 -0700, Laura Bush murdered her boy friend <xeton2001@yahoo.com> said the following in rec.autos.driving... > Obey the law. Problem solved. Then why don't you do the same, worthless?? SignatureGet back under your bridge, troll! -- "> Have you ever driven a car faster than the legal speed limit? Yes, but never deliberately. In fact i got a speeding ticket about 5 years ago for doing 41 in a 25. I just about kicked the cops teeth in cause i was sure he was lying. No way the SL on this wide open stretch could be 25, i thought." Pride of America (c.k.a. "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMOCIDE), 10/3/2002 Message-ID: <3c1753f7.0210030916.7b6f5dff@posting.google.com> http://tinyurl.com/5u4wg Connecting POA to LBMHB/lbVH: See the following: http://tinyurl.com/ahphj > > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Obey the law. Problem solved. The last four `accidents` I have been involved in was when my car was at a complete stand still. If I'm obeying the law, why was I in those accidents? Laura Bush murdered her boy friend: > Obey the law. You first, little miss 41 in a 25 blood guzzling faggot. > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than > in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? > > For example 35 in 25 is much more serious than 80 in 70: 40% > versus 14%, although the difference is the same 10mph. Yup, I've wondered the same many times. But you mentioned the problem below, it would be too much work for the cops to calculate the %age every time they give someone a ticket. > As an added benefit, it would require traffic cops to have > a minimum of mathematical ability, and that would thin their > ranks quite a bit. Yeah, right. Ulf begin quotation from Ulf <asdf@asdf.asdf> in message <FF87f.36644$d5.193417@newsb.telia.net> posted at 2005-10-24T17:16 >> Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding >> fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than >> in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? >> For example 35 in 25 is much more serious than 80 in 70: 40% >> versus 14%, although the difference is the same 10mph. > Yup, I've wondered the same many times. But you mentioned the problem > below, it would be too much work for the cops to calculate the %age > every time they give someone a ticket. The judge could do it when it gets to court. I don't see why the cop would have to do anything differently, since it only comes into play once a fine is assessed. Signature___ _ _____ |*| / __| |/ / _ \ |*| Shawn K. Quinn \__ \ ' < (_) | |*| skquinn@speakeasy.net |___/_|\_\__\_\ |*| Houston, TX, USA > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than > in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? Maybe if the speed limits made sense. But currently here in IL, an 8 lane interstate can be signed at 45-55mph while a potholed two lane with blind hills and intersections out in farm country is signed at 55mph. 85mph on an interstate is perfectly safe, but on a country road with intersections beyond blind hills, it's anything but. When speed limits are set correctly, then we can entertain your proposal, until then it doesn't make much sense because it's based on speed limits that don't make sense. > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding fines in terms of > *percentage* of speed limit rather than in absolute speed-over-the-limit > numbers? Not really, no. Given the high prevalence of arbitrary speed limits with no scientific basis, any enforcement rubric is just as capricious as any other. > For example 35 in 25 is much more serious than 80 in 70: 40% versus 14%, > although the difference is the same 10mph. Do the F = MA maths and you'll find the flaw in your example. > > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding fines in terms of > > *percentage* of speed limit rather than in absolute speed-over-the-limit [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do the F = MA maths and you'll find the flaw in your example. People who don't really understand physics shouldn't try and cite it. How can he possibly do the "F = MA" when he knows neither the "M", nor the "A". He can't even get a proportionality out of it. Try: E = 1/2(mv^2), from which you can at least derive *something* useful to the conversation. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> Do the F = MA maths and you'll find the flaw in your example. > > People who don't really understand physics shouldn't try and cite it. I agree with you. > How can he possibly do the "F = MA" when he knows neither the "M", nor > the "A". "M" is very easy to find for whatever example vehicle one might wish to use. "A" is easily calculable for whatever starting and ending velocity one might wish to plug in. > Try: E = 1/2(mv^2) That works, too. DS > >> Do the F = MA maths and you'll find the flaw in your example. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > use. "A" is easily calculable for whatever starting and ending velocity > one might wish to plug in. Not without also knowing "T". Which isn't in there anywhere... > > Try: E = 1/2(mv^2) > > That works, too. > > DS SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding fines in terms of >> *percentage* of speed limit rather than in absolute [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do the F = MA maths and you'll find the flaw in your example. If you're referring to stopping distance, then assuming constant braking acceleration a, and assuming that the velocity is V when starting to brake, it is V^2/(2*a). So lets make speeding fines proportional to the additional braking distance that is caused by speeding! So, if you exceed the speed limit L by W, then the fine should be proportional to: [(L+W)^2 - L^2]/(2*a). To simplify, assume a is same for all cars. So your fine would be proportional to: W^2 + 2*L*W. The first term does not depend on L, and so it is similar to the current fining policy. The second term *increases* with L, so it seems that speeding fines should be *higher* if you exceed a higher speed limit by the same amount. A 35 in 25 would be less costly than a 80 in 70! I was wrong then. > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than > in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? You're giving people and cops way too much credit to figure out their relative risk and liability of speeding. >> Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding >> fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than >> in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? > > You're giving people and cops way too much credit to figure out their > relative risk and liability of speeding. Maybe a slide rule should be standard issue! ;-) > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than > in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? It would make more sense to define them by percentiles of the driving public. If you're in the bottom 85% you've done no wrong. > > Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding > > fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than > > in absolute speed-over-the-limit numbers? > > It would make more sense to define them by percentiles of the driving > public. If you're in the bottom 85% you've done no wrong. *BZZZZZZT* That's the wrong answer! If you are in the slowest 15%, you're almost certainly doing something wrong: driving too slowly. SignatureAlan Baker Vancouver, British Columbia "If you raise the ceiling 4 feet, move the fireplace from that wall to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you sit in the bottom of that cupboard." >> It would make more sense to define them by percentiles of the driving >> public. If you're in the bottom 85% you've done no wrong. > *BZZZZZZT* > > That's the wrong answer! > > If you are in the slowest 15%, you're almost certainly doing something > wrong: driving too slowly. Right you are! I stand corrected. >Wouldnt it make (much) more sense to define speeding >fines in terms of *percentage* of speed limit rather than [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >a minimum of mathematical ability, and that would thin their >ranks quite a bit. Naw, they would simply use the laptop computers that they all have in their squad cars, just like the teenaged cashiers at Ace Hardware. Hell, I was in a bank today buying a money order. The MO was $6.81; I apd with a $20 bill, and the teller had to whip out a calculator in order to figure out how much change to give me. Mind you, this is a f.cking BANK TELLER - someone who works with numbers every single day of her life. I guess when your hair is blond it sucks all the intelligence out of your head or something... ;) |
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