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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / December 2005Speeding teen kills self and friend - Described as an " incredibly outgoing, beautiful person"
The kid was a psychopath with no concern for the lives of others. Why does criminal coddler america glorify these highway terrorists? http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_ county/13265253.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_broward_county Posted on Sun, Nov. 27, 2005 Teen driver, coworker die in car crash A Coconut Creek teen and his passenger, a Palm Beach County woman, died Friday after the teen lost control of his sports car west of Boca Raton. Anastasia Riganati never got a driver's license. The outgoing 20-year-old was afraid to drive, having lost too many of her friends in crashes. Riganati and her friend Eric Rogers died early Friday when he lost control of his sports car on Lyons Road north of Southwest 18th Street in suburban Boca Raton, authorities said. Rogers, 17, was driving Riganati home around 2:15 a.m. after hanging out with friends at his Coconut Creek house. Investigators said he was speeding when his 2004 Subaru WRX struck a concrete pole and split in half. (snip) ''He was driving his dream car,'' Servin said of Rogers, who had saved for months to buy the sports car, which was featured on Gran Turismo, their favorite PlayStation racing game. ''He was an incredibly outgoing, beautiful person,'' Tamayo said. >The kid was a psychopath with no concern for the lives of others. Why >does criminal coddler america glorify these highway terrorists? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >died Friday after the teen lost control of his sports car west of Boca >Raton. "Sports car?" >Investigators said he was speeding when his 2004 Subaru WRX struck a >concrete pole and split in half. "Speeding?" Sounds to me like he was SKIDDING. I guess this will be yet another "speed-related" crash for the statistics books. I wonder if there's even a category for "incompetent young punk with more testosterone than brains and over-indulgent parents who bought said punk more automobile than he can handle?" >''He was driving his dream car,'' Servin said of Rogers, who had saved >for months to buy the sports car, which was featured on Gran Turismo, >their favorite PlayStation racing game. Dear clueless liberal media, Subaru does not make sports cars. They make boring enconmy sedans and a few factory rice-mobiles. And, despite your implication that he saved up and bought the car himself, there's no way a teenage punk could save up the $28,000 cost of that car all by himself; he most definitely had parental assistance, and those irresponsible parents are partially at fault for the woman's death. Oh, and anyone who drives on public roads they way they do in a video game DESERVES to get wrapped around a concrete pole. In a video game, when you drive like an idiot and wreck your car, you can simply press a button and *presto* you've got a brand new car that's back at the starting line, ready for you to try again. This guy learned the hard way that real life doesn't have a "reset" button. > Dear clueless liberal media, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ready for you to try again. This guy learned the hard way that real > life doesn't have a "reset" button. We are supposed to believe he saved up that kind of money working at subway. I know the minimum wage has increased since I was in highschool, but I was barely able to save the then asking price of a 20 year old mustang. (which my parents wouldn't let me buy with my money when it came down to it) There is no way he "saved for months" and was able to buy that car. No fing way. Also of note in the article.... the girl was yet another self proclaimed "princess" And yes, this idiotcy will once again be used for "speed kills"... arg. > And, despite your implication that he > saved up and bought the car himself, there's no way a teenage punk > could save up the $28,000 cost of that car all by himself; he most > definitely had parental assistance, and those irresponsible parents > are partially at fault for the woman's death. Maybe he saved up the down-payment, and had his parents co-sign while making the payments? In college I knew several people who actually had paid for, and were paying for, their own $20,000 cars since they didn't have to pay for room, board, school, etc. Yes, there's parental assistance, but he'd have paid for *the car* on his own. It's just a guess, but it's a possibility that the parents thought he would learn about loans and making payments from such an idea. Dave > Dear clueless liberal media, > > Subaru does not make sports cars. Dear clueless Scott. You obviously aren't familiar with the car in question. But then you guys don't do rallying. http://www.swrt.com/836306.html Graham >> Dear clueless liberal media, >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.swrt.com/836306.html Racing it doesn't mean it meets the strict definition of "sports car" >>> Dear clueless liberal media, >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Racing it doesn't mean it meets the strict definition of "sports car" What is the strict definition? It's hard to fit the Spyder, MG, and Boxter, among others, into one easy definition that excludes all Subarus. >>>> Dear clueless liberal media, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Boxter, among others, into one easy definition that excludes all > Subarus. Subaru makes the WRX sti, which is base a 300 HP 2.5L turbocharged engine that produces 300 lbft torque at 4000 RPM. It also features AWD and a lot of extras that puts it in the rally car category, which is similar to a sports car (or race car) except that it is tuned with a 4-wheel independent suspension geared for high performancee. E.g. Off-road. Next thing you know, someone will say Mitsubishi doesn't make a rally tuned or a sports car... (groan) >>>> Subaru does not make sports cars. >>> You obviously aren't familiar with the car in question. But then you guys don't do rallying. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Boxter, among others, into one easy definition that excludes all > Subarus. The strict definition as I last heard it was a 1 or 2 seat open car. Last I heard, the suburus not only had 4 seats, but a roof. Hi! [cross-posting removed] > > What is the strict definition? It's hard to fit the Spyder, MG, and > > Boxter, among others, into one easy definition that excludes all > > Subarus. > > The strict definition as I last heard it was a 1 or 2 seat open car. Nowadays, I would not insist on "open". How would a Porsche Boxster be more of a sports car than a Porsche Cayman? Also, 2+2 seats don't disqualify a car either IMHO. My definition would be, "a car that was designed with going fast in mind, rather than with carrying stuff or saving money." This counts out four-seaters, wagons, econoboxen, pick-up trucks, and SUVs, regardless of their 0-60 times, and still it does include cars like the Porsche 356A, despite its ferocious 1300cc, 44 bhp engine. Yours, Erik.  Signature"Actually, I think Ford has made some fine vehicles, I just can't think of any right now." -- Dave Brower in r.a.m.v.a. >> > What is the strict definition? It's hard to fit the Spyder, MG, and >> > Boxter, among others, into one easy definition that excludes all [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >definition would be, "a car that was designed with going fast >in mind, rather than with carrying stuff or saving money." You know what my definition of "loser" is? Someone who has to make up new definitions for words ikn order to "win" a USENET debate. Hi! > On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 12:24:10 +0100, Erik Meltzer > >My [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > You know what my definition of "loser" is? Someone who has to make up > new definitions for words ikn order to "win" a USENET debate. Trouble is, I didn't debate anything previously in this thread. And what, incidentally, would you call someone who resorts to name-calling without any observable reason? Sure doesn't sound like a winner to me. Yours, Erik. Signature"They've got to buy them before they can burn them." -- George Harrison about Beatles album burnings, 1966 >> >My >> >definition would be, "a car that was designed with going fast [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Trouble is, I didn't debate anything previously in this >thread. What makes you think I was referring to you? The guilty flee when no man pursueth. Hi! > On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:46:06 +0100, Erik Meltzer > >Trouble is, I didn't debate anything previously in this > >thread. > > What makes you think I was referring to you? Why the attack then? Yours, Erik. Signature"Oh, and I used to drive a VW Beetle to compensate for my penis size." -- "Red Drag Diva" in a.s.r. >> >Trouble is, I didn't debate anything previously in this >> >thread. >> >> What makes you think I was referring to you? > >Why the attack then? This is not email, this is a newsgroup. Other people besides you and me are reading my posts. Those who are fit by the shoe shall wear it. > Nowadays, I would not insist on "open". How would a Porsche > Boxster be more of a sports car than a Porsche Cayman? I didn't claim that was a great working definition, nor will I defend it, but that is the strict definition last I heard it. > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > definition would be, "a car that was designed with going fast > in mind, rather than with carrying stuff or saving money." That defines a lot of cars, including Volvo S80 T, the ugly but fast Bentley, the Z, most of the Mercedes cars, the Pontiac with a supercharger, etc., etc. I think the phrase sportscar doesn't have as much meaning as it once did 60 years ago when most american cars were large boxy people movers. Even relatively sporty convertibles and 2 seater coupes were tall and big. Sportscars came from the then-exotic land of G.P. racing where cars were smaller and nimble handling. Cars like the old MG, Jag, Mercedes looked and performed far better than most cars on the road. And they were just sexy when compared to a Pontiac or DeSoto. Many sedans of today perform as well as many so-called sports cars, so there probably isn't a sharp dividing line that defines a Sports Car any more. > This counts out four-seaters, wagons, econoboxen, pick-up > trucks, and SUVs, regardless of their 0-60 times, and still [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I just can't think of any right now." > -- Dave Brower in r.a.m.v.a. Hi! > > My definition would be, "a car that was designed with going fast > > in mind, rather than with carrying stuff or saving money." > > That defines a lot of cars, including Volvo S80 T, the ugly but fast > Bentley, the Z, most of the Mercedes cars, the Pontiac with a > supercharger, etc., etc. No -- that's modified (including factory modified), not designed. With the possible exception of "the Z", which I don't know (or at least, don't know by that designation). A Volvo S80 T was designed as a Volvo S80 -- large sedan, appealing looks, rather upscale, but not designed with going fast in mind (or at least, not as the top priority). A Miata, on the other hand, despite probably outperformed by the Volvo even with the top Diesel engine in the latter ... well. You get the idea. > I think the phrase sportscar doesn't have as much meaning as it once > did 60 years ago when most american cars were large boxy people movers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > there probably isn't a sharp dividing line that defines a Sports Car > any more. Well put, and I agree to a cartain degree. You don't need a sports car to go fast anymore, many of the fast (and fast-driven) cars out there aren't sports cars, and many sports cars aren't even *used* for going fast -- rather for having fun or radiating affluence. Yours, Rrik. Signature"Look Ma -- no chrome bits in the engine room!" -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott in r.a.m.v.a. > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No -- that's modified (including factory modified), not designed. Modified...I don't understand the term. Is a turbo-charged, supercharged or fuel injected car modified? > With the possible exception of "the Z", which I don't know (or > at least, don't know by that designation). A Volvo S80 T was > designed as a Volvo S80 -- large sedan, appealing looks, rather > upscale, but not designed with going fast in mind (or at least, > not as the top priority). Actually a T6 Volvo will outrun the latter mentioned Miata in every measure including top speed. Which street car made today is designed with top speed as the primiary design feature. Certainly none of the Porsche cars, since driver comfort, luxury and looks are big parts of that car's selling points and price. > A Miata, on the other hand, despite > probably outperformed by the Volvo even with the top Diesel engine [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > there aren't sports cars, and many sports cars aren't even *used* > for going fast -- rather for having fun or radiating affluence. The point being that it is all but impossible to define with any precision a sports car these days. > Yours, > Rrik. > -- > "Look Ma -- no chrome bits in the engine room!" > -- Mike "Rocket J Squirrel" Elliott in r.a.m.v.a. Hi! > > No -- that's modified (including factory modified), not designed. > > Modified...I don't understand the term. Is a turbo-charged, > supercharged or fuel injected car modified? A Volvo S80 T started life on a car designer's notepad (or computer, these days) as a slighty upscale, rather big (for its country) family or business sedan: the Volvo S80. Its design goals were space, presige, value for money, economy, whatever, but quite certainly not performance. Later, it was nonetheless modified into a quite fast sedan, the Volvo S80 T. Even successfully so. The Porsche Boxster, OTOH, started life on another car designer's notepad (or computer) as a sports car. It was initially designed with going fast in mind as a primary objective. (Not the *only* objective, but a quite important one.) > Actually a T6 Volvo will outrun the latter mentioned Miata in every > measure including top speed. So? So will the Bentley Continental Flying Spur, a non-sports car if I ever saw one. > Which street car made today is designed > with top speed as the primiary design feature. Certainly none of the > Porsche cars, since driver comfort, luxury and looks are big parts of > that car's selling points and price. Not *the* primary feature, but *a* primary feature certainly. And not top speed, but performance. > The point being that it is all but impossible to define with any > precision a sports car these days. Be that as it may, I agree that it's certainly pointless to discuss that here. Which is why I'll shut up about this now. Yours, Erik. Signature"Each new human is born with a potential that will never be reached, even in the best conditions. We use only a small fraction of our brains. Our opposable thumbs allow us to hold beer bottles and snap our fingers to the beat. How much better can it get?" -- Les U. Knight > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > objective. (Not the *only* objective, but a quite important > one.) Other than one car having 2 seats and the other having four the similarities are far more than the differences. Or said another way...what defines a sportscar these days. > > Actually a T6 Volvo will outrun the latter mentioned Miata in every > > measure including top speed. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > thumbs allow us to hold beer bottles and snap our fingers to the beat. > How much better can it get?" -- Les U. Knight > >>>> Subaru does not make sports cars. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Last I heard, the suburus not only had 4 seats, but a roof. So a Porsche 911 isn't a sports car ? Graham >> The strict definition as I last heard it was a 1 or 2 seat open car. >> >> Last I heard, the suburus not only had 4 seats, but a roof. > > So a Porsche 911 isn't a sports car ? Not all of them have a roof. Hey, I didn't make the definition. Like I wrote before, I don't agree with it, I won't defend it, but it is what it is. >>> The strict definition as I last heard it was a 1 or 2 seat open car. >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Not all of them have a roof. I suspect "open" refers to a REMOVABLE roof. Porsches, Corvettes, etc. have Targa tops that come completely off, and Miatas, MGs, and Z3s have convertible tops that fold down. Notice that the WRX does not have a removable roof, nor does it have 1 or 2 seats. Mustangs, Camaros, Trans Ams, Evos, and WRXs are not sports cars. Deal with it. > >>> The strict definition as I last heard it was a 1 or 2 seat open car. > >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > or 2 seats. Mustangs, Camaros, Trans Ams, Evos, and WRXs are not > sports cars. Deal with it. I see that Wikipedia's definition doesn't involve the roof at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports_car The best alternative definition available for sporty cars is the GT but that's a fairly specialised type and then there's the coupe too. Graham > >>>> Subaru does not make sports cars. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Last I heard, the suburus not only had 4 seats, but a roof. It's a car driven by a real sport. >> Dear clueless liberal media, >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You obviously aren't familiar with the car in question. Sports cars, by definition, have TWO seats. How many seats does a Subaru WRX have? I rest my case. > But then you guys don't do rallying. And neither does the punk in the story. The "liberal media" don't have a damned thing to do with this story. However, for perhaps the only time in my life, I will agree with laura Bush Vehicular homicide on this one. The kid who was such a "beautiful person" turned out to be a f.cking idiot. If he hadn't been a f.cking idiot, he'd still be alive today. He got what he deserved. >The "liberal media" don't have a damned thing to do with this story. Of course they do. WTF do you think wrote it? > >The "liberal media" don't have a damned thing to do with this story. > > Of course they do. WTF do you think wrote it? FIrst PROVE there is such a thing as a liberal media. After you wade through the O'Reilly's and Hannity and Colmes ad nauseum perhaps you will figure out there AINT NO SUCH ANIMAL. >> >The "liberal media" don't have a damned thing to do with this story. >> >> Of course they do. WTF do you think wrote it? > >FIrst PROVE there is such a thing as a liberal media. That's like asking me to PROVE that the sun shines. > >> >The "liberal media" don't have a damned thing to do with this story. > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's like asking me to PROVE that the sun shines. EVASION DUCK AND COVER WHEN YOU CANT ANSWER john fernbach, <fernbach1948@yahoo.com> was motivated to say this in rec.autos.driving on 28 Nov 2005 22:25:55 -0800: > If he hadn't been a f.cking idiot, he'd still be alive today. In otherwords, the principles of Darwinism work just fine. What we don't need is idiot laws to preserve idiots like the driver in the OP. > The "liberal media" don't have a damned thing to do with this story. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > He got what he deserved. He got what happens when you put testosterone laden kids with undeveloped driving skills in high performance cars. Kids simply shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel of such vehicles ( at least withut specialist training ). It was an accident waiting to happen. Graham >> He got what he deserved. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Kids simply shouldn't be allowed behind the wheel of such vehicles ( at >least withut specialist training ). It was an accident waiting to happen. On that point we agree 100%. > >> Dear clueless liberal media, > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sports cars, by definition, have TWO seats. That's not a definition I've ever heard of. I rather expected it to be connected with sport performance. > How many seats does a Subaru WRX have? > > I rest my case. How many seats have many classic sports cars of the past like like MGBs ? > > But then you guys don't do rallying. > > And neither does the punk in the story. Maybe he was giving it a try ? Graham >> >> Dear clueless liberal media, >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That's not a definition I've ever heard of. You need to get you an edumacation den. Other posters here have heard the same definition. Clearly I didn't just make it up. > >The kid was a psychopath with no concern for the lives of others. Why > >does criminal coddler america glorify these highway terrorists? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > ready for you to try again. This guy learned the hard way that real > life doesn't have a "reset" button. What the hell is a: Riceboy Videogamer............................... Christ what an ignorant statement..... > >The kid was a psychopath with no concern for the lives of others. Why > >does criminal coddler america glorify these highway terrorists? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > ready for you to try again. This guy learned the hard way that real > life doesn't have a "reset" button. YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. Any was he didi pay for it it was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. I would know because i`m erics friend. And i hope you f.cking wrap around a pole and get killed very slowly >cowboys_voorhees@yahoo.com wrote: > Scott wrote: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Any was he didi pay for it it > was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. Then I would assume you know that a cosigner isn't needed to *buy* a car; only to *finance* one. So, in fact, neither Eric nor his parents had paid for it. The bank owned most or all of it. Eric apparently managed to make some payments on it. Is it somehow 'better' if he screwed up driving a *sports car* instead of a *sedan*? He's just as dead either way. > I would know because i`m erics > friend. And i hope you f.cking wrap around a pole and get killed very > slowly I'm sorry for the loss of your friend. I lost a few in my day, in similar circumstances. That doesn't change the fact that he made some very serious errors in judgment that aren't too hard to analyze. Further, his mistake killed someone else with him, which is very hard for me to accept as a reasonable result of his actions. I hope you can be motivated by his mistakes to learn from them - and your anger isn't helping much. -- C.R. Krieger (Been there) >>>The kid was a psychopath with no concern for the lives of others. Why >>>does criminal coddler america glorify these highway terrorists? [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a > sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. A "GT" car. > Any was he didi pay for it it > was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. I would know because i`m erics > friend. And i hope you f.cking wrap around a pole and get killed very > slowly Thanks for the kind words. It sucks that he had to be one of the examples to hopefully teach you that you're not invulnerable, hopefully you will learn from the experience. Is it just me or is it weird how every time Judy trolls with some "xxx got killed" post that a friend/relative of the dead person surfaces a week or so thereafter? Sockpuppets, or does word really travel quickly around the 'net? Or are there sickos out there who think it's cool to pretend to be somehow connected to dead people? nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > Is it just me or is it weird how every time Judy trolls with some "xxx > got killed" post that a friend/relative of the dead person surfaces a > week or so thereafter? Sockpuppets, or does word really travel quickly > around the 'net? Or are there sickos out there who think it's cool to > pretend to be somehow connected to dead people? That yahoo email account is at least 13 months old. It was also posted using thunderbird in a conventional manner. It does help the credibility of the post ever so very slightly. >> YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a >> sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. > >A "GT" car. A Factory Rice-mobile. >Is it just me or is it weird how every time Judy trolls with some "xxx >got killed" post that a friend/relative of the dead person surfaces a >week or so thereafter? LOL!! That is a rather amazing coincidence, isn't it? >> YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a >> sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. > >A "GT" car. A Factory Rice-mobile. >Is it just me or is it weird how every time Judy trolls with some "xxx >got killed" post that a friend/relative of the dead person surfaces a >week or so thereafter? LOL!! That is a rather amazing coincidence, isn't it? > YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. Both of them? o_O > First of all subaru does make a sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. > Any was he didi pay for it it was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. Pity they weren't completely singed -- then there would be no chance they'd add any more stupidity to the gene pool. >YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a >sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. Any was he didi pay for it it >was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. I would know because i`m erics >friend. And i hope you f.cking wrap around a pole and get killed very >slowly I cannot help but be swayed by such an articulate and well-presented argument. >>YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a >>sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. Any was he didi pay for it it >>was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. I would know because i`m erics >>friend. And i hope you f.cking wrap around a pole and get killed very >>slowly > I cannot help but be swayed by such an articulate and well-presented > argument. Maybe some bling-bling will change your mind ;) <SNIP> >YO f.ck you and who ever you are.. First of all subaru does make a >sports car if not WHAT tHE f.ck is a STI. Any was he didi pay for it it >was $20,000 his parents only co-singed. I would know because i`m erics >friend. And i hope you f.cking wrap around a pole and get killed very >slowly Some friend. First it's a jab about whether or not the Ricemobile is a sports car, THEN you're his friend. I can see that riceboy is a social desease that's passed among you clowns.......much like hillbilly inbreeding. > The kid was a psychopath with no concern for the lives of others. Why > does criminal coddler america glorify these highway terrorists? > > http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/broward_ county/13265253.htm?source=rss&channel=miamiherald_broward_county You know, it's possible to be a decent, fun person and be a bad driver. As opposed to yourself, who is an annoying troll and still a bad driver. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel It does not matter if it was a sports car or a POS car. My child was killed in this car. I don't care who paid for it either or where they got the money. My child was killed in this car. Was he speeding , Skidding or jerking off either way my child is gone. So while all of you are sitting ther wondering what the answers are to all of those oh so important questions. Please remember these things, Two families have been torn apart through this very needless occurence and the parents may happen to stumble on what you are saying about their children. Unfortunaly my daughter was a passenger and I was as dumb as the day is long not knowing Subaru does make a very very fast car. It went fast enouth to break apart oto very many tiny pieces and take my childs life. A SPECIAL NOTE TO DEAR BENT SHE IS NOT A "SELF PROCLAIMED PRINCESS" SHE is "MOTHER PROCLAIMED PRINCESS I do agree with some of you but I don't agree with name calling and parents should teach the children the RESPONSIBILITY of driving however .........there definitly isn't a reset button or I would have hit it. I also thing that if there is an age limit on Vidieo games with this kind of driving there definitly should be an age limit on purchasing a car with suck power. What is skidding theprincessesmothe -- theprincessesmother If he was speeding then it's his own damn fault and we should all b glad he killed himself and sorry he killed his friend· If your kid sho an innocent person and then shot himself‚ are we supposed to feel sorr "your child is gone"? Same thing Actually, The Princesses mother, didn't say you or anyone else should feel sorry for anyone. However-using your analogy, I would feel very sorry and grievious for the family of the child he shot. I would feel sad for the family he left behind, the unanswered questions that suck the spirit from your very soul, and the sanity from an otherwise sane mind. The point was... would it be more or less tragic depending on the type of gun he used? Would it be less of a loss if he used a Gloch? Or would it make a difference in the scheme of things if he used a 22 or a 45? ... Or whether or not he paid for the gun, would this make it easier for the families to accept or understand any of it. No. Not really. You seem to have a very confused agenda. You post and feed off of the misery and heartaches of others, to push for a cause that you, yourself have no personal loss or gain in. You show no specific direction or goal. You show no regard for the tragedies that you post so miscellaneous and it appears it is for mere disruptive sake only. These news articles you post, trivializing the depth of their importance with simpleton comments attached, for the quest or fight over Something Laura Bush did or didn't do 42 years ago, when infact, if you would put your energies into making changes for manufacturers... you might then make sense. Remember... It doesn't take a chronic reckless driver for a VEHICLE HOMICIDE, IT ONLY TAKES ONE MOMENT, AND THE REGRET LAYS WITH THE FAMILIES THEY LEAVE BEHIND FOR A LIFETIME. In this case, whether you agree or disagree, whether you care or you don't.. I thought she was angel, but then again, I am her God Mother... If you cared about Laura Bushes ex boyfriend, you would have some common sense that there are families behind these articles...and vultures to feed on them... Apologies for interrupting your CarTalk. Oh, would someone be kind enough to post some information about the car and what it can do etc, and answer The PrincessesMothers question... What is skidding? Thank you, Elizabet -- far2go4 [color=blue]I'm "The Mother-Proclaimed Princesses'" Aunt! [/color smaartaassaab I would like to thank you for the information you gave reagrding the cars performance. I was not blaming the car just trying to somehow make a little sense of what may have gone wrong however I do believe that yes , When you put a powerful car together with an unskilled driver you are asking for trouble. I just look at the marks the car made and the powerful force that it hit the pole with and the fact that it broke into two halfs and a million little pieces. I guess it will just reamin as it is. I do thank you for the information. I am not some nut pretending this is for real in my life. I thank you for responding. Have a Happy Holiday Thank you again Jacki I hope people really don't make up that they are related in anyway to any kind of treagic reports. I hope I never have to go through this with any of my other children. SHAME on you for that useless comment Brent and Scott. You don't have children do you? Jacki -- theprincessesmother Scott This was a flame I really could have done without -- theprincessesmother Thank you Smartaaaaas and Nate for the feedback and information. It is difficult to find answers when there are so many questions left hanging and nothing is making any sense. Your information will be helpful to sort through what makes sense and what doesn't. You've both provided good starting points to find some avenues to these answers. It is most appreciated and thank you for your considerate replies. Best Regards, Elizabet -- far2go4 [color=blue]I'm "The Mother-Proclaimed Princesses'" Aunt! [/color On 27 Dec 2005 03:01:21 -0800, todd_wasson@performancesimulations.co wrote >Scott en Aztlán wrote:>> On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 03:27:19 +0100, theprincessesmothe >> <theprincessesmother.20n5vy@no-mx.carstalk.net> wrote > >> Nobody asked you to post here.. >You are an unbelievable, hearless prick. Holy sh.t Give me a break. None of you trolls know these kids, much less give sh.t about them. You're just using this as an opportunity to flam people What I want to know is how you all find out about these threads? Y'al are clearly not regular readers of this group (unless you're a coupl of sockpuppets with new nymshifts); you just come here, post you flames, and then disappear again. Do you have some sort of "Troll' Alert Network" where you and your fellow flamers exchange leads Thank you Todd for your consideration. Elizabet Scott-I own and administrate a forum, I also moderate at several forums and I am well aware of Trolls and Flamers, both of which we are not. I am sorry that you are so paranoid. Perhaps, past experience has hardened you. I cannot speak for other family members that respond to other threads, but we stumbled on a link that brought us to this thread. While reading through the thread, we hoped that one or some of you had the knowledge and understanding of the vehicle in question and it's limitations or the possibilities of driving that 'might' fill in some blank spaces. Hoping to make some sense. It was quite disheartening to read such callous comments with absolutely no regard or 'respect' of others. Regardless of whether the family reads the thread or not, regardless of whether you know the persons involved or not, regardless whether you care. Compassion is the ability to show concern and respect for others, and the ability to relate to anothers loss. I suppose it is a way that we are 'raised'. There are certain things we just don't do. Disrespecting others, usually means we disrespect ourselves. At the very least, how would you feel if it was your Mother, sister, daughter, son, brother and IT posted their tragedy on a site that you came across, and you read things that were in-human. I don't know whether your lack of empathy or respect for others is because you are too young, too shallow, too lonely or perhaps too old and bitter, but it only reflects on the kind of person you are and how you might have been raised. A Troll, is someone who posts threads with only chaos and disruption in mind, then reply to various threads with 'flaming' remarks...well, unfortunately, they post such posts as both you and Brent posted. So I would be safe to say that Laura Bush, who certainly needs some sort of therapy, she would be considered a Troll, and IT (As nacromancer) so kindly put it, doesn't need her own flamers but rather she has members like yourself and Brent who have no respect or self control to just let fall down the page. Perhaps, in the future, when IT posts more of someone elses grief, you might be man enough to just pass over it. If the thread gets no responses, eventually her goal to disrupt your forums will nolonger hold any interest for her. Obviously, she/he IT doesn't do it for a request to help make things better or to appeal to those who are involved in the circuit, either personally or professionally. But then again, it would take a mature, responsible man to pass up an opportunity to 'flame' another and allow the thread to simply slide down the page. Take care and be well. Elizabet -- far2go4 [color=blue]I'm "The Mother-Proclaimed Princesses'" Aunt! [/color far2go4, <far2go4.20ld0d@no-mx.carstalk.net> was motivated to say this in rec.autos.driving on Sun, 25 Dec 2005 04:49:53 +0100:> > > If he was speeding then it's his own damn fault and we should all b > > glad he killed himself and sorry he killed his friend· If your kid sho > > an innocent person and then shot himself=3F are we supposed to feel sorr > > "your child is gone"? Same thing <far2go4's commentary snipped> Let me clue you in on the piece of human debris that wrote the above. That poster - Known by various sockpuppets such as "Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend," "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOLICIDE," "Pride of America." "aunt millie," and other ridiculous handles is a worthless loser who takes joy other's suffering especially when it perveives that person's suffering to be the result of operating a vehicle in a manner that IT perceives as being "unsafe." My suggestion to you would be to PLONK that idiot and pay no attention to it. Every time I read its drivel, I find my self more in agreement with certain groups that believe that the human population needs to be culled. > What is skidding My definition: when a car's tires lose their grip on the road Thank You Nacromancer for your explaination of IT's illness. One can only hope that she/he either ups their medications or find another hobby. Again, thank you for the considerate words. Best Regards, Elizabet -- far2go4 [color=blue]I'm "The Mother-Proclaimed Princesses'" Aunt! [/color Hi my name is Jackie. I am the mother of a 20 year old young lady that was killed in a very bad accident I stumbled onto you conversation (thread) while trying to log onto my daughter's legacey page. After reading a few lines I thought someone would have some knowlege of this car (WRX). I was told by several of her friends that it was a race car, it could go very fast 110mph and so on. The accident did not make sense to me (it still doesn't, it never will). I was just looking for answers on what went wrong. When your child dies I guess you try somehow to make sense of it and all common sense is lost. I very rearly use the computer so all the talk of trolling and flaming was just foolish giberish to me. I am her mother and I am not boasting or proud of the fact she died in this wreck, just trying to say sorry. I should have just read what I read and went on. I love my daughter and miss her very much. Thanks to all who did give me information on the car with too much power and the driver with no expierence. Yes! my grammer and spelling suck sorry. Had I had known it would have caused such contraversy I would just clicked the "X I wish all of you well Goodbye Jacki -- theprincessesmother |
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