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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / Driving / January 2006A Collision With Something For Everyone
http://www.nbcsandiego.com/traffic/5817751/detail.html SAN DIEGO -- One man died late Monday night in a chain-reaction accident on a local freeway. IMAGES: Fatal 3-Car Pileup The accident began at about 11:45 p.m. when a Dodge pickup crashed into a Toyota Camry that had stalled in the northbound lanes of Interstate 15 just south of Miramar Way. The driver of the Camry was outside the vehicle at the time and was not injured. Minutes later, a Kia sedan slammed into the pickup. The driver, Ruben Guerrero, 29, of Allied Gardens, was killed, according to the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office. Investigators said he was not wearing a seat belt. The driver of the pickup was arrested for suspicion of driving under the influence of alcohol. --- End Paste --- So, a vehicle stalls, and in California fashion a drunk drives into the stalled car. Both drivers apparently get clear, then a seat belt violator drives into the mess, killing himself. How many more R.A.D. standard topics could fit in one pileup? Dave > http://www.nbcsandiego.com/traffic/5817751/detail.html > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > How many more R.A.D. standard topics could fit in one pileup? Was the Camry in the left lane? Was someone charged for speeding while going 85th percentile? > > So, a vehicle stalls, and in California fashion a drunk drives into the > > stalled car. Both drivers apparently get clear, then a seat belt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Was the Camry in the left lane? Was someone charged for speeding while going > 85th percentile? The Camry may have been when it started, it was difficult to tell from the video on the news since by the time the cameras were filming it looked like the cars were spread across most of the 6 or 7 southbound lanes. The only charges mentioned have been drunk driving, so far. Dave >> Was the Camry in the left lane? Was someone charged for speeding while >> going [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Dave I looked at all the images, and it's impossible to tell where the Camry was parked. I would HOPE that it was in the breakdown lane, where only a DUI driver could possibly hit it. That doesn't explain how the KIA driver would hit the pickup though, unless the pickup bounced into a travel lane after hitting the camry. Assuming the Camry was parked in a travel lane . . . couldn't the Camry driver be charged with something related to this mess? Even if your car suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long distance on a relatively flat freeway before it stops. You've got time to get it OFF the fricking road. -Dave > Assuming the Camry was parked in a travel lane . . . couldn't the > Camry driver be charged with something related to this mess? Even if > your car suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long > distance on a relatively flat freeway before it stops. You've got > time to get it OFF the fricking road. -Dave You've hit one of my big pet peeves; last time I had a car die at freeway speed, I had time to make two attempts at restarting, (no luck; it turned out to be the timing belt) coast down the shoulder to the next exit, and finally stop on the outside shoulder of the access road. Last time a car died on me at a near stop, I was able to push it to the curb in less than two minutes. There's just no excuse for leaving a stalled car in the middle of the road. > > Assuming the Camry was parked in a travel lane . . . couldn't the > > Camry driver be charged with something related to this mess? Even if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > two minutes. There's just no excuse for leaving a stalled car in the > middle of the road. Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV failure, you can pull the car to the side with the starter. Not particularly good for the starter, but a new starter is cheaper and easier than repairing the damage from a high speed rear-ender. nate >Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the >middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV >failure, you can pull the car to the side with the starter. Not >particularly good for the starter, but a new starter is cheaper and >easier than repairing the damage from a high speed rear-ender. Won't work with the clutch/starter lockout on standard-transmission cars for a decade or so now.  SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. >>Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the >>middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Won't work with the clutch/starter lockout on standard-transmission > cars for a decade or so now. What if you depress the clutch, start cranking, and release the clutch while you continue to crank? >>>Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the >>>middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What if you depress the clutch, start cranking, and release the clutch while > you continue to crank? No good. It'll cut out when you release the clutch, and the most you'll get for your efforts is a small lurch. Given a typical modern car/SUV/truck... If the engine is NOT running: With a manual, the starter will not operate with the clutch engaged. With an automatic, the starter will not operate with the transmission in any gear besides Park or Neutral. I'll bet there are exceptions, but they're few and far between - unless you're talking aftermarket. :) Signature~/Garth |"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie. Almgren | I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave. ******* | And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant." (pgp@v6stang.com for secure mail info) --H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) >>>Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the >>>middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >What if you depress the clutch, start cranking, and release the clutch while >you continue to crank? It'll jerk forward an inch on inertia, maybe. SignatureThere's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can result in a fully-depreciated one. > >Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the > >middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Won't work with the clutch/starter lockout on standard-transmission > cars for a decade or so now. I didn't realize that those were universal now, but I guess I'm not surprised. I don't recall if my '02 GTI had a lockout but none of my other cars ever did (1984, 86, 84, 89, and now 88) nate >> >Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the >> >middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > surprised. I don't recall if my '02 GTI had a lockout but none of my > other cars ever did (1984, 86, 84, 89, and now 88) It's just a switch on the clutch pedal assembly on most cars I think and easily defeated. Started around '89 and is an outgrowth of the 'sudden acceleration' crapola started by 60 minutes. > >> >Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the > >> >middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > easily defeated. Started around '89 and is an outgrowth of the 'sudden > acceleration' crapola started by 60 minutes. Well, I guess it is useful when flatlanders borrow your car... I KNOW that my '86 Bimmer didn't have one as one night I had been out with my then-GF and was fairly tired and she offered to drive... well she grew up in Cleveland so wasn't familiar with my habit of always leaving the car in gear... just so you know, a BMW 3.5 will turn over fast enough to start while in gear. Scared the sh.t out of me, because we were headed straight for a big, solid-looking tree... I woke up quick enough then that I was able to drive home just fine :) nate >> >Not only that, if you by some fluke find yourself stopped dead in the >> >middle of the road, unless you've had a clutch, transmission, or CV [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > surprised. I don't recall if my '02 GTI had a lockout but none of my > other cars ever did (1984, 86, 84, 89, and now 88) Damn, that seemed like a handy kludge. When our fuel pump was on its last legs we managed to get the monsterhome up a hill by feeding squirts of starting fluid into the carb. Another useful kludge. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. >> Assuming the Camry was parked in a travel lane . . . couldn't the >> Camry driver be charged with something related to this mess? Even if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >finally stop on the outside shoulder of the access road. There's just no >excuse for leaving a stalled car in the middle of the road. You're obviously not familiar with San Diego traffic. It's nearly impossible to get to the right shoulder from the #1 lane even when your car is fully functional. > >> Assuming the Camry was parked in a travel lane . . . couldn't the > >> Camry driver be charged with something related to this mess? Even if [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > impossible to get to the right shoulder from the #1 lane even when > your car is fully functional. Espescially when the location in question is the merge/split point for two 8 lane freeways (I-15 and CA-163), with about 6-8 lanes in each direction. Jumping 5-7 lanes with a dying car is going to get you hit as fast as staying in lanes. I had a '92 Ranger totalled by a bitch who tried passing on the right while I was trying to get to the right shoulder, and that was across ONE lane. Dave Dave >> You're obviously not familiar with San Diego traffic. It's nearly >> impossible to get to the right shoulder from the #1 lane even when [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >direction. Jumping 5-7 lanes with a dying car is going to get you hit >as fast as staying in lanes. And let's not forget that the left shoulder (for example on I-8 in the Mission Valley area) has long since been converted into a travel lane. If you're in the #1 lane and your engine quits, the closest shoulder is at least 6 lanes away. >>> You're obviously not familiar with San Diego traffic. It's nearly >>> impossible to get to the right shoulder from the #1 lane even when [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > If you're in the #1 lane and your engine quits, the closest shoulder > is at least 6 lanes away. I had assumed that just about anybody could push just about any car one lane over. For anything else I would think that running forward a couple of hundred feet and calling for help might be the safest thing to do. SignatureCheers, Bev =================================================== Red ship crashes into blue ship - sailors marooned. > >>> You're obviously not familiar with San Diego traffic. It's nearly > >>> impossible to get to the right shoulder from the #1 lane even when [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > over. For anything else I would think that running forward a couple of > hundred feet and calling for help might be the safest thing to do. I got hit at about 50mph while going to the shoulder because someone tried to pass me at over 70 on the right while I was heading to it. My brakes malfunctioned (under a week after Evans Tires serviced them), and she had to gas it to the right even though I went right to get off the roadway. My thought was to get off the roadway, even though I was going to most likely hit a chain link fence in doing so, to avoid getting hit. That bitch never even hit her brakes and just let my truck stop her. And f.ck Evans Tires for not being able to fix brakes correctly. /rant I guess she technically DID push my car on the shoulder, and she was retired! So you are right that just about anyone can push a car onto the shoulder, sometimes the methods are pretty bad though. Dave > Even if your car > suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long distance on a > relatively flat freeway before it stops. Not with an automatic transmission. In a manual you could declutch and coast for quite a long way. Graham >> Even if your car >> suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long distance on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Graham What, they got rid of the N in the slushies??? -Dave > >> Even if your car > >> suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long distance on [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > What, they got rid of the N in the slushies??? -Dave Fortunately all my slushies had it, including the one that had a stalling issue. It was simple to throw it in N quick, and old (or broken) enough that it would restart in N also. Plus I like to put it in N sometimes to pretend I have a 'real' transmission Dave "Likes His EconoSlushy Just Fine" Hogan > Fortunately all my slushies had it, including the one that had a > stalling issue. It was simple to throw it in N quick, and old (or > broken) enough that it would restart in N also. Plus I like to put it > in N sometimes to pretend I have a 'real' transmission > > Dave "Likes His EconoSlushy Just Fine" Hogan Most starter interlock systems on modern slush boxes will allow engine starting in park or neutral, so the behavior you describe (restarting in neutral) is not at all abnormal. In fact most owner's manuals will indicate this fact. >>Even if your car >>suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long distance on a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Graham If you are alert enough to get it into neutral real quick. You can coast for a bit. I don't think you want to put it in park if you're still moving. Doug >> Even if your car >> suddenly stalls, your car is going to coast for quite a long distance >> on a relatively flat freeway before it stops. > > Not with an automatic transmission. I've had slushies die on the move too, and never had any trouble with a leisurely shift to neutral before more than 20mph or so of momentum had been lost. > So, a vehicle stalls, and in California fashion a drunk drives into the > stalled car. Both drivers apparently get clear, then a seat belt > violator drives into the mess, killing himself. How many more R.A.D. > standard topics could fit in one pileup? Well, that depends. Was any of them a Democrat? A Republican? A smoker? Was any of the involved vehicles equipped with DRLs? Was any of the drivers speeding? Was any of them in the US illegally? >> So, a vehicle stalls, and in California fashion a drunk drives into the >> stalled car. Both drivers apparently get clear, then a seat belt [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Was any of the involved vehicles equipped with DRLs? Was any of the > drivers speeding? Was any of them in the US illegally? Red rear turn signals (the pick up), fog lights, poorly aimed lights, crappy American spec lights, fake blue halogens. "Dave" <davidphogan@gmail.com> wrote in message > How many more R.A.D. standard topics could fit in one pileup? Perhaps Scott was caught in the resultant traffic delay, thus tagging all three participants as MFFYs. Or "MFFY a.shole bastards", depending on how well his day went up to that point. Dave, <davidphogan@gmail.com> was motivated to say this in rec.autos.driving on 3 Jan 2006 14:10:20 -0800: > So, a vehicle stalls, and in California fashion a drunk drives into the > stalled car. Both drivers apparently get clear, then a seat belt > violator drives into the mess, killing himself. > > How many more R.A.D. standard topics could fit in one pileup? Well, I didn't see any mention of whether or not any of the vehicles was a "beater," with bald tires, no emergency brake, inoperative dash lights and leaking oil.... > Dave, <davidphogan@gmail.com> was motivated to say this in > rec.autos.driving on 3 Jan 2006 14:10:20 -0800: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > a "beater," with bald tires, no emergency brake, inoperative dash lights > and leaking oil.... It *wasn't* Judy then ? ;-) Graham > The driver, Ruben > Guerrero, 29, of Allied Gardens, was killed, according to the San Diego > County Medical Examiner's Office. Investigators said he was not wearing > a seat belt. No surprise there then. Darwin 1 Driver 0 Graham |
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